Discussion
I picked up the Vanity handcannon from FWC this morning but have discovered it has a problem. When the Luck in the Chamber and Firefly perks work together at close range, the game crashes with an error code. Only way round it at the moment is to use the gun without firefly until they fix it. Bloomin' annoying as Firefly was the reason I bought it int he first place 
Moog72 said:
Found (yesterday's) daily quite tough today, wiped a few times. Thing is, I don't remember doing that as a story mission
And having investigated, no wonder I don't remember it because it isn't a story mission! So Bungie have extra missions presumably cut from the story that they can throw at us it would seemSimianWonder said:
I'm a massive tech-nerd, and it's also worth noting that while a lot of TVs offer a game mode for minimum input lag, this will also usually work by disabling all other processing effects. If your TV has a feature that internally increases refresh rate, this will be disabled in game mode. My TV can process upwards of 800mhz refresh rate (and some of the newer high-end HDTVs blow that out of the water), which makes fast moving scenes beautifully smooth, but it isn't compatible with game mode.
Not wanting to stray/ stay off topic or wanting to pi$$ on your BBQ but you shouldn't believe the marketing bumpf TV manufacturers peddle. Your display doesn't actually refresh at 800hz, Samsung literally made up that number just as every other manufacturer makes up their own numbers. The actual refresh rate of your panel is 200hz. And to achieve that its video processor takes every single frame it receives from a 50hz input and redraws it (or interpolates a frame it created) 4 times. This will introduce latency where the PS4 is concerned.So the best video setting for your TV is to match the sources refresh/ frame rate. That's why even movies that are mastered at 24hz look smooth on pans on a properly set up display. And this is one of the things 'Game' mode will do.
Paul
Speckle said:
I picked up the Vanity handcannon from FWC this morning but have discovered it has a problem. When the Luck in the Chamber and Firefly perks work together at close range, the game crashes with an error code. Only way round it at the moment is to use the gun without firefly until they fix it. Bloomin' annoying as Firefly was the reason I bought it int he first place
Good shout. Will give it a tryKryptonKid09 said:
ot wanting to stray/ stay off topic or wanting to pi$$ on your BBQ but you shouldn't believe the marketing bumpf TV manufacturers peddle. Your display doesn't actually refresh at 800hz, Samsung literally made up that number just as every other manufacturer makes up their own numbers. The actual refresh rate of your panel is 200hz. And to achieve that its video processor takes every single frame it receives from a 50hz input and redraws it (or interpolates a frame it created) 4 times. This will introduce latency where the PS4 is concerned.
So the best video setting for your TV is to match the sources refresh/ frame rate. That's why even movies that are mastered at 24hz look smooth on pans on a properly set up display. And this is one of the things 'Game' mode will do.
Paul
I'm well aware of all that; tech-nerd, remember? So the best video setting for your TV is to match the sources refresh/ frame rate. That's why even movies that are mastered at 24hz look smooth on pans on a properly set up display. And this is one of the things 'Game' mode will do.
Paul
I was assuming, wrongly it would seem, that no one else would be equally as geeky!New Samsung TVs actually refer to a PQI, (picture quality index), but as it is Samsung's own terminology it's useless for making direct comparisons against rivals. MHZ refresh rate though, most people will understand as its a widely used term.
Playing Destiny natively, and whilst there is less latency the frame rate looks positively choppy. It isn't actually that bad when you're accustomed to it, but I've gotten used to seeing it silky smooth, and there's very little in the way of ugly digital artifacts to give away the fact its simply a processing trick.
I love high-end TVs. I'd happily spend another couple of grand on a new TV, but if it came to anything else, I'd be doing it begrudginly!
SimianWonder said:
I'm well aware of all that; tech-nerd, remember? I was assuming, wrongly it would seem, that no one else would be equally as geeky!
New Samsung TVs actually refer to a PQI, (picture quality index), but as it is Samsung's own terminology it's useless for making direct comparisons against rivals. MHZ refresh rate though, most people will understand as its a widely used term.
Playing Destiny natively, and whilst there is less latency the frame rate looks positively choppy. It isn't actually that bad when you're accustomed to it, but I've gotten used to seeing it silky smooth, and there's very little in the way of ugly digital artifacts to give away the fact its simply a processing trick.
I love high-end TVs. I'd happily spend another couple of grand on a new TV, but if it came to anything else, I'd be doing it begrudginly!
When it comes to TV's I can geek with the best of them! I was assuming, wrongly it would seem, that no one else would be equally as geeky!New Samsung TVs actually refer to a PQI, (picture quality index), but as it is Samsung's own terminology it's useless for making direct comparisons against rivals. MHZ refresh rate though, most people will understand as its a widely used term.
Playing Destiny natively, and whilst there is less latency the frame rate looks positively choppy. It isn't actually that bad when you're accustomed to it, but I've gotten used to seeing it silky smooth, and there's very little in the way of ugly digital artifacts to give away the fact its simply a processing trick.
I love high-end TVs. I'd happily spend another couple of grand on a new TV, but if it came to anything else, I'd be doing it begrudginly!
Ah yes, PQI, they obviously had slow sales with the 2014 models. That encompasses more than just motion handling though, doesn't it?
Interesting that you have issues with the native motion handling of your display with Destiny. Having played it on my Panasonic plasma that does motion handling properly, natively, I don't see any difference to playing it on my Sony W705 I use now. Both perfectly smooth. Even connecting and playing through my Lumagen video processor for comparison, the motion handling of the W705 is perfect without the need for MotionFlow.
OLED displays will sort out all the current motion handling issues though, along with all the other shortcomings LCD displays have. Looks like prices are coming down too.
Paul
KryptonKid09 said:
hen it comes to TV's I can geek with the best of them!
Ah yes, PQI, they obviously had slow sales with the 2014 models. That encompasses more than just motion handling though, doesn't it?
Interesting that you have issues with the native motion handling of your display with Destiny. Having played it on my Panasonic plasma that does motion handling properly, natively, I don't see any difference to playing it on my Sony W705 I use now. Both perfectly smooth. Even connecting and playing through my Lumagen video processor for comparison, the motion handling of the W705 is perfect without the need for MotionFlow.
OLED displays will sort out all the current motion handling issues though, along with all the other shortcomings LCD displays have. Looks like prices are coming down too.
Paul
Yeah, PQI is the overall picture quality, not just the artificial refresh rate. It's not that my current panel actually causes issues with the game when displayed natively, it's more than I've gotten so used to the extra smoothness that playing without it the native frame rate is... well, a bit sAh yes, PQI, they obviously had slow sales with the 2014 models. That encompasses more than just motion handling though, doesn't it?
Interesting that you have issues with the native motion handling of your display with Destiny. Having played it on my Panasonic plasma that does motion handling properly, natively, I don't see any difference to playing it on my Sony W705 I use now. Both perfectly smooth. Even connecting and playing through my Lumagen video processor for comparison, the motion handling of the W705 is perfect without the need for MotionFlow.
OLED displays will sort out all the current motion handling issues though, along with all the other shortcomings LCD displays have. Looks like prices are coming down too.
Paul
t really! I reckon the base game is probably 20-25 FPS most of the time, but with the motion processing on, its more reminiscent of a PC doing 50-60 FPS. PC gaming doesn't really interest me - I'd rather play on a whacking great TV with surround sound than on a monitor - but it's a hell of a change, even if it does mean there's a fraction more latency in the input response.On topic of the game, I did a few more quests tonight, managed to get the Boolean Gemini exotic scout. It's... well, a little "meh" really, especially when compared to the Jade Rabbit. Also did a fair bit in Court of Oryx, though that was primarily doing solo runs of Tier 1, with the occasional attempt at tier 2 when others arrived. At no point did we have numbers to try a tier 3, sadly!
@ Singh. Enlighten me. What point in the raid does the Rabbit excel? I've used it a bit, but I'm maining a HC still or Dead Orbit scout.
Completed yesterday. Was satisfying to get it done, and got the hand cannon with firefly amongst other stuff. Warlock can now hit 300 and Hunter is 299.
My new favourite perk is Cocoon. Combining with an instant loading sidearm is a fun combo.
@ Sims. Level 3 Court is Crota this week (well the same mechanics, but with a different dude to thwack). Gissa shout when I'm on, happy to do some if you need it for the artifact.
Speaking of artifacts, I didn't get the 310 one for killing the raid bosses as I hadn't finished the Taken War quest line. Whoops! Something to consider for those yet to go in. I'm hoping I can do the quest line and it'll pay up retrospectively.
Completed yesterday. Was satisfying to get it done, and got the hand cannon with firefly amongst other stuff. Warlock can now hit 300 and Hunter is 299.
My new favourite perk is Cocoon. Combining with an instant loading sidearm is a fun combo.
@ Sims. Level 3 Court is Crota this week (well the same mechanics, but with a different dude to thwack). Gissa shout when I'm on, happy to do some if you need it for the artifact.
Speaking of artifacts, I didn't get the 310 one for killing the raid bosses as I hadn't finished the Taken War quest line. Whoops! Something to consider for those yet to go in. I'm hoping I can do the quest line and it'll pay up retrospectively.
lovechild said:
@ Sims. Level 3 Court is Crota this week (well the same mechanics, but with a different dude to thwack). Gissa shout when I'm on, happy to do some if you need it for the artifact.
Speaking of artifacts, I didn't get the 310 one for killing the raid bosses as I hadn't finished the Taken War quest line. Whoops! Something to consider for those yet to go in. I'm hoping I can do the quest line and it'll pay up retrospectively.
I've got the 300 artifact from the quest now, also had a couple of high 290s drop from blue engrams in Court of Oryx. I was only running it because... well, it's a hell of a lot of fun, quite frankly, especially with a fire team.Speaking of artifacts, I didn't get the 310 one for killing the raid bosses as I hadn't finished the Taken War quest line. Whoops! Something to consider for those yet to go in. I'm hoping I can do the quest line and it'll pay up retrospectively.
One of my quests does now require me to kill three characters within King's Fall, so I'll need to pull my finger out and get raiding soon. I've done well to avoid any spoilers beyond a few names out of context so far, so I will be going in blind.
Phew.
Finally got nightfall done on my warlock, smashed through the daily, then set about finishing up a few quests. Need 25 sword kills for PvP. Rocket in face. Super in face. Rocket in face. Yeah, **** that. Taken on mars? Yeah, I'll do that questline. I won't spoil it, but the final encounter was extremely tough solo. It's recommended light 260, but I was 290 and between the boss pelting you, the constant swarm of aggressive adds and the floor itself doing damage (a la the Hive boss in PoE_ I died at least half a dozen times.
In the end, I had to rope in assistance; thank again, Stimps, I was tearing my hair out! Reward was quite nice though; hand cannon with third eye and firefly, giving it excellent utility in both PvE and PvP. Warlock can just about hit 294 light now, though the load out is fixed, but 293 allows some flexibility and both Hunter and Titan are in the 280s.
Finally got nightfall done on my warlock, smashed through the daily, then set about finishing up a few quests. Need 25 sword kills for PvP. Rocket in face. Super in face. Rocket in face. Yeah, **** that. Taken on mars? Yeah, I'll do that questline. I won't spoil it, but the final encounter was extremely tough solo. It's recommended light 260, but I was 290 and between the boss pelting you, the constant swarm of aggressive adds and the floor itself doing damage (a la the Hive boss in PoE_ I died at least half a dozen times.
In the end, I had to rope in assistance; thank again, Stimps, I was tearing my hair out! Reward was quite nice though; hand cannon with third eye and firefly, giving it excellent utility in both PvE and PvP. Warlock can just about hit 294 light now, though the load out is fixed, but 293 allows some flexibility and both Hunter and Titan are in the 280s.
Found my new "go to" Crucible primary - Hardlight - got it upgraded to give max stability and the no damage drop off / ricochet perk and it absolutely wrecks. Top in the daily Crucible with 24 kills and a 2.6 K/D, far higher kills than I've ever achieved before with anything else. I like that one a lot
Won't be any good for Iron Banner, etc due to the low attack, but for regular Crucible / dailies, it's ace
Won't be any good for Iron Banner, etc due to the low attack, but for regular Crucible / dailies, it's ace
shocks said:
Took the plunge and picked up a ps4 and destiny - I've tried to wade through the thread but at 280 ish pages isn't really making much sense yet - any pointers or tips for this newbie ?
Firstly, you've picked a great time to get into Destiny, and a great place to do it! I'd almost hate to think what the cumulative play time of the regulars here is - it must be in the tens of thousands of hours - so we've got plenty of members who'll all likely have their own variations in how they think you should progress.Firstly, the game has changed a lot over the last year, most recently with the major changes that patch 2.0 introduced, and the journey of a new player now will be dramatically different than it would have been for Year One players. It also means that a lot of the chat in the early pages will likely no longer remain relevant. What you will see crop up a lot is abbreviations, for instance;
PvE - Player vs Engine (any mode that has you shooting bad guys, be it story, strikes, raids etc)
PvP - Player vs Player (any mode that has you shooting other Guardians)
VoG - Vault of Glass (the 1st Raid, level 26 normal mode, level 30 hard mode)
CE - Crota's End (the 2nd Raid, level 30 normal mode, level 33 hard mode,launched with TDB)
PoE - Prison of Elders (3 player horde mode, difficulties from level 28-35, launched with HoW)
ToO - Trials of Osiris (3v3 PvP elimination mode, launched with HoW)
TDB - The Dark Below (Expansion 1)
HoW - House of Wolves (Expansion 2)
TTK - The Taken King (Year Two starting point)
That's just for starters, I'm sure there's plenty I've missed!
I'd suggest just playing through the story on whichever difficulty is appropriate. Learn which class you prefer, learn which sub-class you prefer, learn how the abilities work, how they synergise with particular builds, how the three classes differ and how the different weapon typess feel. The one-time DLC story missions for Dark Below and House of Wolves are now offered much earlier than once they were, so at several points in the story you're likely to have more than one option open to you.
That brings us nicely onto the Quest tab. The game now keeps track of various tasks given to you, and you'll soon be working on several at once. Most of the time you'll complete them without even trying, simply by progressing through the game, and while there are some that will require your very specific attention, those will likely be ones that are designed to be tackled somewhat later.
At level 4 (after two or three story missions basically) you'll be able to pick up bounties in the tower. You should pick up as many as you can, because they're an easy source of exp and many you'll get just by virtue of playing normally, though again some are trickier. You can also pledge allegiance to one of the factions in the tower (Future War Cult, New Monarcy, Dead Orbit) which costs glimmer (money) but you should do when you're able. Why? To level up the faction. There are several factions; Vanguard, Crucible, House Judgement, to name but a few and when you level one up (by using it's services basically) you'll normally earn a reward in the shape of armour, weapons or materials which you'll likely need early doors.
If you're more of a PvP guy, you can level up quickly by playing Crucible (PvP modes).
It used to be the case that you stopped levelling at twenty and were then reliant on random drops to level yourself further, but that's no longer the case. The Year One raids are effectively obsolete now; any weapons and armour that drop within are stuck at Year One values, so will be utterly outclassed in terms of power by Year Two gear. Both VoG and CE are a lot of fun and some of the weapons within were unique, so you'll likely still find people running them just for old times sake. PoE, whilst it had its moments, was no real substitute for a raid. it was a mere stop-gap, and now that the rewards are basically useless, you're unlikely to find many choosing to partake.
Reaching the new level cap of forty won't provide too much of a challenge for most, but reaching the new cap is only one part of the job. After reaching XP-level forty, you can start seriously looking at increasing your other main stat, Light level. It used to be tied directly into a specific armour piece, but now it's more a general indication of the cumulative quality of your weapons, armour and equipment pieces.
I could go on, but I don't wish to overwhelm you. There's a hell of a lot to do in the game post-Taken King, but much of it won't be relevant to you for a while. Basically, play the story missions, get a feel for the game and the various classes, and try and get yourself to level forty as that's when the rather substantial end-game really opens up.
Moog72 said:
Found my new "go to" Crucible primary - Hardlight - got it upgraded to give max stability and the no damage drop off / ricochet perk and it absolutely wrecks. Top in the daily Crucible with 24 kills and a 2.6 K/D, far higher kills than I've ever achieved before with anything else. I like that one a lot
Won't be any good for Iron Banner, etc due to the low attack, but for regular Crucible / dailies, it's ace
I'm loving Hardlight now as well, really satisfying to use. Hope they bring us a YR2 version at some point.Won't be any good for Iron Banner, etc due to the low attack, but for regular Crucible / dailies, it's ace
shocks said:
Took the plunge and picked up a ps4 and destiny - I've tried to wade through the thread but at 280 ish pages isn't really making much sense yet - any pointers or tips for this newbie ?
Mr. Simian has given a super comprehensive overview of it all, but simply play the story and enjoy. Don't be tempted to use the Spark and boost to level 25, you'll miss a lot.Play the game, play the missions, embrace the gradual aquisition of gear and weapons, it's always fun to hope for something better than you already have
Yep, it can be frustrating, even nowNutshell - don't shortcut it, IMO
Gassing Station | Video Games | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff