RE: Gran Turismo 5: The Launch

[BILL PAYER]

Being an owner of as PS3 i do sometimes enjoy having a blast on GT or a quick shootout on one of the call of duty series,whilst i can see that it can be fun and some people self included enjoy it ,we must remind ourselves these are just games and must be treated as such.When i hear grown men talking for hours about how they cant win a race or cant get past the man that keeps shooting them it does make me wonder if its all they have in life.The point being just enjoy it for what it is a bit of fun and nothing more.

[sunsurfer]

Obvious answer to the poor graphics which I'm sure someone else has already answered is that the PS3 is a bit old now. Technology goes so fast that a full on racing sim is likely to run far better on the PC. Not full checked but there doesn't seem to be a PC version and of course if it has been truncated to run with the limitations of the PS3 then it may not be any better even if they do a PC version.

[lockkdogg1]

I have always loved the gt series, always said i would buy a ps3 when it was launched. After reading this is doesnt sound that good i think i will stick to my (year old) copy of forza 3, i agree i think they have minced it!!

[mackie1]

It's *definitely* no worse than any previous GT so if you liked the previous ones you'll like this.

[andyp74199]

lockkdogg1 said:

I have always loved the gt series, always said i would buy a ps3 when it was launched. After reading this is doesnt sound that good i think i will stick to my (year old) copy of forza 3, i agree i think they have minced it!!

its better than previous versions, - more cars with more detail, damage, great snow/rain, 300hp go karts, top gear track etc etc

[anything fast]

Great Pretender said:

anything fast said:

the most boring game in the world! and as for the cars, great selection a million skylines/GTR's etc that are all the bloody same just different paint jobs and spoilers.... they all drive the same as well, as for the tracks, not much range and so many reverse tracks and long and short versions of the same track....

This franchise reached its peak with GT3, since then its all been downhill i'm afraid its crap, dont waste your money like i did. Actually does anyone wanna buy a copy? LOL

I'll buy it off you if it means you can then afford to replace that dummy you spat.

i waited so long for it was so peed off with it, such a dissapointment, all the cars i wanted to see are not in it and the gameplay is not engaging enough, and for those who have played it dont you think the cars look like they are floating over the track not driving on it? well my copy is already sold, my mate is buying it off me (after i spend a few hours tonite seeing if i can change my mind on it)...

[Chapppers]

The fact is, Gran Turismo has already happened, 3 others after that and 3 Forzas too. What exactly are people expecting? How much can they realistically blow your mind with yet another iteration of this game? I'm sure it's brilliant but until Holodecks are invented they're only going to be able to do so much!

[tylerama]

Is it worth buying a PS3 for.. apart from the fact i'd get a blu ray player too ?

[Dr Derek Doctors]

j_s14a said:

weyland yutani said:

y2blade said:

j_s14a said:

Dr Derek Doctors said:

General concensus from reviewers and people who have played it (inc myself) is that it isn't that great.

What a load of twoddle. You've stated YOUR opinion. Type in 'GT5 Review' into Google. The general concensus is that it's an excellent game, with a few minor flaws. Most of the reviews are above 8/10, which is excellent. Many of them are 9.5/10.

I have not read any bad reviews either

imho most of the haters have not even played it

Reviews mean sweet FA, I'm old and ugly enough to form my own opinion, which is that the game is over hyped, over ambitious, over blown and long over due. If other gamers think differently thats fine as there is a lot of enjoyment to be had out of the game Im sure. There no denying it's a good driving game but with its dev time and budget it should have been a fantatsic game.

Your quite entitled to your opinion Dr Derek Doctors was making out that the GENERAL CONCENSUS was that it is dissapointing. That just isn't the case, the general concensus is that the game is very good.

I said it isn't that great you super-duper spack-mong.

Everyone I have spoken to who has played it, st loads of people on PH and all the reviewers I respect have said it is decent but not great.

You flaming pile of goonery.

[Wayney]

Flew all the way to Madrid and only 3 pictures?? Would have loved to have seen pics of the X1

[SWoll]

Steve Evil said:

SWoll said:

j_s14a said:

weyland yutani said:

y2blade said:

j_s14a said:

Dr Derek Doctors said:

General concensus from reviewers and people who have played it (inc myself) is that it isn't that great.

What a load of twoddle. You've stated YOUR opinion. Type in 'GT5 Review' into Google. The general concensus is that it's an excellent game, with a few minor flaws. Most of the reviews are above 8/10, which is excellent. Many of them are 9.5/10.

I have not read any bad reviews either

imho most of the haters have not even played it

Reviews mean sweet FA, I'm old and ugly enough to form my own opinion, which is that the game is over hyped, over ambitious, over blown and long over due. If other gamers think differently thats fine as there is a lot of enjoyment to be had out of the game Im sure. There no denying it's a good driving game but with its dev time and budget it should have been a fantatsic game.

Your quite entitled to your opinion Dr Derek Doctors was making out that the GENERAL CONCENSUS was that it is dissapointing. That just isn't the case, the general concensus is that the game is very good.

The general concensus amongst the gaming community and reviewers is that it is disappointing I'm afraid. There will always be a few fanboys who were going to mark high no matter what.

Expectations were of a 10/10 game that moved the racing genre forward and made all other racers obsolete. This just isn't the case.

Having played and loved every GT game in the series I am personally very disappointed in GT5 at the moment after my limited amount of play time. Hopefully the AI, damage will improve as I level up and the game gets patched.

This I think is the crux of the point being made, the PH gaming forum is a small microcosm of the gaming community, the fact that the GT5 thread was nearly 200 pages long before the game was released speaks volumes about how much it was anticipated (and how bloody long it spent in development). People would have lapped it up just because it's a new Gran Turismo game. In much the same way Black Ops was bought in droves simply because it was a new Call of Duty game, the fact that it's not really as good as MW2 is neither here nor there.

Looking at it subjectively though, it's a bit of a disappointment as a game, 80% of the cars are ported from the old games with a minor spit and polish, the multiplayer is typical of your average Japanese developer, i.e. miles behind what the western developers have been doing and what we've come to expect. Then there's the whole front end and menu system which from all reports is awful. Plus the 'career' is as stale as it has been since the first game, only the new special events bringing something different to the table.

That said, there is a fantastic physics engine in there and once you get into the meat of the driving it's a total joy. So naturally on a car-enthusiasts forum like this it's exactly what people are after.

For people that want a game rather than a toybox of cars that provide a simulation of driving, it's a long way behind what we've come to expect in the last few years and that's why the reviews reflect that.

Steve, couldn't agree with youmore. I'm glad someone else is also of the opinion that BLOPS is not as good as MW2 also.

Played AC:Brotherhood over the weekend as well, good game but way toomuch like AC2. Could have just been DLC it's so similar. All in all a disappointing November for gamers, should have been one of the best ever.

[SWoll]

Chapppers said:

The fact is, Gran Turismo has already happened, 3 others after that and 3 Forzas too. What exactly are people expecting? How much can they realistically blow your mind with yet another iteration of this game? I'm sure it's brilliant but until Holodecks are invented they're only going to be able to do so much!

Maybe something that moves GT forward, learns a few lessons from some of the other racing games that have been released in the last 6 years, has a multiplyer implementation that works , doesn't take 5 minutes to navigate around menus, has even mildly intelligent AI and a reasonable damage implementation.

All of these things have been managed by other developers with much shorter timescales and lower budgets than Polyphony.

I'm assuming you haven't played the game but felt the urge to give your opinion anyway?

[356Speedster]

What can I say, PH never ceases to amaze me, with all it's experts

Come on guys, lets get real here, what did folk honestly expect? It's a new GT title and everyone know what that means. Prologue has been out long enough to preview the game, so why are people surprised? PD are not about to go after NFS or Forza, they developed a title as an evoloution of the 55million selling franchise. No more, no less.

As I said on P1, from a driving point of view, the level of adjustability in the options screens means it covers most bases. With the aids switched off and the game set to Professions mode, it drives closer to the real thing than any game (with the exception of Live For Speed on the PC) I've played on any platform (IMO of course). If it doesn't suit your style or expections, that's fine, but it doesn't mean the game is bad, it's just not for you. I wouldn't slate NFS games, TDU or Forza for being too arcadey, they just don't suit my own expectations. Yes I still play them, but they don't flick my switch the way GT does - I can take my brain out and play NFS or TDU and just muck about. You can't treat GT like that.

Graphics are subjective, but if folks real feel that let down by GT5, I'd have to ask exactly what do you expect from a game, honestly?! I'm sure we could all knit pick at an odd texture or shaddow that isn't to our liking, but it never will be.

It's interesting how no one's mentioned the fact that this is the first 3D racing game on the market, surely that's worthy of note? Hang on, no, this is PH and only negative comments are allowed.

As for comments about missing tracks / cars, there realy is nothing that Sony could have done here. If they'd only put in say, 400 cars, they'd get slated. Get real folks, you can't please everyone.

With expectations set at "real" and not "fantasy", the game scores highly. It's got a few real dissapointments, like damage not being stitched in from day one (future update apparently), or some quite slow load times, but driving is what the game is about and on that point, it's absolutely a worthy title. It'll never suit everyone, but that doesn't mean it's a croc, it's just not your cuppa tea.

[David87]

I haven't played video games for five years (not since lots of Project Gotham Racing 2 over Xbox Live with my schoolmates), but I bought Gran Turismo 5 yesterday, having enjoyed every previous version. I have fond memories of having a sleepover at age 12 with some mates from school and playing Gran Turismo 2 on release day all night long. I remember 'owning' an Impreza WRX estate and a Clio V6 230. GT5 looks to be every bit as good.

All it needs is a Clio 182 Trophy!

Edited by David87 on Thursday 25th November 19:30

[FellowPazzini]

Slightly dissapointed, Yes. Is it crap, No. Yes this game isn't as GREAT as we all expected it to be but after spending quite a few hours on it today I'd still say it's a pretty decent game. To my knowledge there still isn't anything similar available on the PS3 so it's probably still one of the best options available for the racing genre.

To me it just seems like a slightly better version than previous versions, nothing more nothing less. It's certainly not a game the occasional gamer would enjoy much imo as I've spent quite a while on it today and still feel like I've got nowhere (but I'm no Nigel Mansell either) so plenty of time will have to be spent on it.

All in all, it's OK.

Edited by FellowPazzini on Thursday 25th November 19:35

[Zoki]

I bought F1 2010 earlier and was generally disappointed at that game, however I had a deal where I got it relatively cheap and I had some fun and enjoyed it for a while. I was glad that HMV did their £4.99 GT5 deal as I don't play F1 2010 any more.

I have been looking forward to GT5 for a long time and I have owned all the GT's from GT1. The game is excellent, anyone who is 50/50 about getting it needs to play it for a few hours and they will love it. I've played at least 10 hours and I am still getting surprised at how good a game this is, just bought a 458 and love it.

Also I didn't notice any rubber necking...

This game deserves a 9.5 and nothing less, there are a few drawbacks but none getting in the way of a great game.

RE: Forza V GT, I've only played Forza 2 and not 3 as I dont own a xbox and my friend only has Forza 2, but that game was nowhere near GT5, can't say anything about Forza 3 but if it is similar to number 2 then I don't see GT5 having much problems.

[RocketRabbit]

Has anyone played this game using the Logitech G25/27?

WHO THE FSUCK COULD ACTUALLY DRIVE AND TESTED THIS GAME?!?!?!
Apart from the game taking just over an hour to download updates and install to HDD, I turn all the assists off, steering feedback to rip your arms off and took a Lotus Elise to Trial Mountain.

Things started off well. The tyre model was about 10 million times better than Prologue.

The feedback through the wheel was simply awesome.

The brakes were over sensitive, but i'm sure I can adjust that somewhere.

And then we came to the st in the sandwich - THE CLUTCH
Whoever was responsible for this needs to die. Sure, it's analogue and you can slip it which is brilliant! However, reality comes crashing down when you try to Heel & Toe.

The game will not let you press the clutch, throttle and change gear at the same time!!!!

Every time you do, it dumps you into neutral and you spin.

It's like being presented with Polyanna Woodward coated in Honey, only to find out she has a penis.

I cannot understand how this was missed as it renders the clutch useless.

This has got to be fixed in an update, but I fear that too many people will be playing 'The Real Driving Simulator' with a joypad.

I feel sick

Edited by RocketRabbit on Thursday 25th November 22:38

[Chapppers]

SWoll said:

Chapppers said:

The fact is, Gran Turismo has already happened, 3 others after that and 3 Forzas too. What exactly are people expecting? How much can they realistically blow your mind with yet another iteration of this game? I'm sure it's brilliant but until Holodecks are invented they're only going to be able to do so much!

Maybe something that moves GT forward, learns a few lessons from some of the other racing games that have been released in the last 6 years, has a multiplyer implementation that works , doesn't take 5 minutes to navigate around menus, has even mildly intelligent AI and a reasonable damage implementation.

All of these things have been managed by other developers with much shorter timescales and lower budgets than Polyphony.

I'm assuming you haven't played the game but felt the urge to give your opinion anyway?

Errr what? You seem to have completely agreed with me for most of your post and then tried to shoot me down with your last sentence? I think rule 1 of arguing is that you need to figure out which side you're on before you start!


ETA: Actually, hmm rading my post back there it looks a lot like I was defending the game. Which I was, kinda. Hmmm. It's probably not terrible though. It's also not amazing because like you said they just probably sat in a shed thinking they were the best and didn't think to play anything else because they were too busy modelling headlights.

Edited by Chapppers on Thursday 25th November 23:13

[356Speedster]

@RocketRabbit..... Interesting comments re: the clutch on the G25/7. I nearly bought one, but figured in any computer game, you're going to lose time shifting manually. I'd ready some iffy reviews of it, so in the end went for the Driving Force GT (the one with the Mannetino for in race setting adjustment). I find it gets better the more I play...

@Anyone either not enjoying the driving or not sure, I'd say that the only way you'll get the best from the game is to have a good quality wheel, mounted very solidly. The DS3 does not do the game justice in the slightest.

Tonight I got my gold on the Top Gear track Special Event in the Elise (mid-level race). Pro game mode, manual, all assists off...... Boy did it take some patience and smooth car control! At first I was cursing the car & the AI, then I realised I was driving in a Need For Speed style: i.e. robustly. As soon as I engaged my brain and drove like it was my own car on a real race track, it started to click. The AI DOES give you room. Wonder across the track and yes, you'll be in an accident. However, they never cut me up or pushed me off the road, if I had the racing line and stuck to it. When you drive the game in this manner, it makes more sense and begins to feel better. I'm looking forward to spending more time learning it and honing my skills

[Tman87]

I picked this up yesterday and so far am finding the single player to be very good, deffinatley up to my expectations and cars handle very realisticaly...

.... However

Online is shameful. I had one of my mates try and setup a quick 1 vs 1 using go karts each and neither of us could figure it out. Eventually we gave up and just clicked on another race someone else had created... only to find out that none of the buttons in the game room worked, so you could not start race, or leave the lobby, meaning i had to restart the game and try again ... I hope they get this fixed as was really looking forward to some online ass whoopin on this! Looking on alot of forums its not just me having these issues either.