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V6GTO

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11,579 posts

244 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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has the colour turned out to be 'banded' so obviously? It's there in the RAW image (allthough not so obvious) and I can't figure out why.

[pic]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/V6GTO/ChipionaSunsetcomp.jpg[/pic]

Martin.

GetCarter

29,441 posts

281 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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This will really help.

That shouldn't happen.

GetCarter

29,441 posts

281 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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This is the worst I could find from mine - and the 'banding' just looks like the suns' rings' - sorry can't be of more help.




simpo two

85,883 posts

267 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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Dunno, some reaction of the CCD to brilliant light?

te51cle

2,342 posts

250 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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Weird. I've seen that on my laptop and images from digital projectors but that's just due to a limitation on the range of colours it can display.

Could it be a form of over exposure/hitting the boundary of the colour space ? That you've hit the upper limit of what can be captured so the gentle gradation in the sky has to be approximated to in 1 bit steps that cover a wide area. The fact that there's one dominant colour making it show up particularly clearly.

I'm guessing here, but could it be that if you're using sRGB instead of Adobe format, or in 8-bit rather than 16-bit capture this might be more likely to happen ?

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

258 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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V6GTO said:
has the colour turned out to be 'banded' so obviously? It's there in the RAW image (allthough not so obvious) and I can't figure out why.


Gives it an interesting look, though.

beano500

20,854 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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I've got something similar from sunrise shots. I can only put it down to the effects of severely overexposing, so that the "bleed" effect starts to take place from one sensor to the next. You then lose the expected graduation of intensity from one pixel to the next.

Like here http://image42.webshots.com/43/2/8/31/348020831fwVAUO_ph.jpg

ehasler

8,566 posts

285 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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I'd say this is just down to one of the limitations of digital - they're just not as good as film for shooting into the sun.

some website said:
More of an issue is that digital has no “shoulder” – that is, the light sensitivity is more of a straight line than an s-curve. With film, the amount of detail in blown highlights or dark shadows tails off smoothly; with digital, highlights just blow with no gentle tail-off.


Basically, a certain change in light levels causes more of a change on a digital sensor than it does on film, so it appears to be more stepped, and this will be exaggerated if you shoot jpg/sRGB/8-bit as opposed to RAW/Adobe RGB/16-bit.

Even my 1Ds II produces cp sunrise/sunset pics, so that's when I'll dig out some of my trusty Velvia

V6GTO

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Monday 11th July 2005
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100% crop



Martin.

GetCarter

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281 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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What filter did you have on the lens? Looks to me like it's bending the light (I presume it's a good lens)?

V6GTO

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Monday 11th July 2005
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GetCarter said:
What filter did you have on the lens? Looks to me like it's bending the light (I presume it's a good lens)?


Canon 100-400L IS @135mm with no filters.
1/100 @ f8

Martin.

LongQ

13,864 posts

235 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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V6GTO said:

GetCarter said:
What filter did you have on the lens? Looks to me like it's bending the light (I presume it's a good lens)?



Canon 100-400L IS @135mm with no filters.
1/100 @ f8

Martin.


Hmm.

It is quite interesting (though I am not sure what it means) to have a look at the Levels of the different colour channels in the 100 crop vs the original. The differences in the ranges for each channel for the sky part of the shot become much more obvious.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

246 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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GetCarter said:
What filter did you have on the lens? Looks to me like it's bending the light (I presume it's a good lens)?

[ pedant ] If it weren't bending the light it wouldn't be a lens, it would be a tube [ /pedant ]

GetCarter

29,441 posts

281 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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Einion Yrth said:

GetCarter said:
What filter did you have on the lens? Looks to me like it's bending the light (I presume it's a good lens)?


[ pedant ] If it weren't bending the light it wouldn't be a lens, it would be a tube [ /pedant ]


point taken

...but I meant.. if there was a UV with imperfections (you know how cheap these Noble drivers are) stuck to the front of the lens - with the sun at that angle, then even the best of lenses will get refracted light which might have caused the problem for the 'oh so dumb' CCD.

V6GTO

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Monday 11th July 2005
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GetCarter said:

you know how cheap these Noble drivers are


I like to call it careful

Martin.

PS - but at least I'm not Scottish!

GetCarter

29,441 posts

281 months

Monday 11th July 2005
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...just adding here that squashing in any form will create that effect

GetCarter

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Monday 11th July 2005
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V6GTO said:

but at least I'm not Scottish!




(and neither am I)