Chassis rust
Chassis rust
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chunder

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772 posts

268 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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I have come across a corrosion protection system that appears to actually work.
I purchased a 4x4 recently and noticed this protection module under the bonnet so did a search on the name stamped on it and found out it was made locally. The unit had been on this vehicle for the previous 7 years and even where underseal had been scraped off the ladder chassis it remained a shiny surface. There was no sign of rust even on paint chips on places like the bonnet so I thought to myself that if it really did work it would be ideal for TVR's.

Therefore I spoke to the company owner about distributing the units at a discount to TVR owners and if there is enough interest I may be able to sort something out (and yes - there would be a small commission in it for me - just beer money, honest !).

Please let me know what you think - check out the details here - [www.roemarketing.com.au] and let me know whether you think there would be much interest at under 150 quid per unit.

BERGS2

2,829 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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Sounds great in principle - surprised if is so good that it hasn't been marketed more widely before...

Anyone with a sound grasp of physics who can explain how it works?

Rozza!!!

654 posts

298 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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The web site explains how it works.. though I`m not knowledgable enough to know if this is flim-flam or not.

I would be a bit concerned about the constant battery drain though. Fine if you use the car everyday, but if you don't...

Roy.

Le TVR

3,097 posts

273 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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I especially like the idea of the 'CAT' system sensors that 'purr'........

WildfireS3

9,910 posts

274 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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If it realy works I would be interested in it.

mikee boy

967 posts

273 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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It's a top idea, but I can't help thinking it's a relatively simple principle that might be able to be self-produced.

It would have been nice if the Factory had fitted this as standard to my car all those years ago, it might not look like Edam now! I wonder if it will remove rust already there and save me a weekend with the wire-brush and Hammerite!!

I've been to the British site at www.rustguardian.co.uk/order-rust-protection.html and they're having a sale. £150 smackers so could we get a discount on that?



>> Edited by mikee boy on Wednesday 7th January 15:52

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

271 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Sounds a bit like the anodic system used to stop ships and boats rusting.

I'd be interested to see a demo.

Z.

M@H

11,298 posts

294 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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z_chromozone said:
Sounds a bit like the anodic system used to stop ships and boats rusting.

I'd be interested to see a demo.

Z.


Thats a bit different as that uses a sacrificial anode, normally a lump of Zinc or Aluminium.. This "rusts" in preference to the Iron as it is more reactive (higher up the periodic table).

Cheers,
Matt.

chunder

Original Poster:

772 posts

268 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Just to answer an earlier query the system will not drain the battery as it switches itself off when battery voltage reaches 12.2V.

I have negotiated a special discount for TVR owners but only if ordered through the Australian website at www.roemarketing.com.au/

If you enter TVR as the vehicle type on the enquiry form you will be given the price of ₤129.99 incl p&p to the UK.

It really does work - they have used the system here on vehicles in the salt mines for years. If anyone has any queries the MD Philip Roe would be pleased to help out just use the click here to email button on the website.

HarryW

15,788 posts

291 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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I thought the outrigges were the sacrificial(sp?) anodes on S's anyway .
Is this another plug , I assume advertising rates are being paid to Ted for all these plugs .

Harry

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

271 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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HarryW said:
I thought the outrigges were the sacrificial(sp?) anodes on S's anyway .

Harry




Z

chunder

Original Poster:

772 posts

268 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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HarryW said:
I thought the outrigges were the sacrificial(sp?) anodes on S's anyway .
Is this another plug , I assume advertising rates are being paid to Ted for all these plugs .

Harry

I contacted PH before posting who agreed it didn't constitute an advert at this stage. If there is any interest then that may change. I didn't think many people would read more than one model forum hence the additional 'plug'.
Along with an engine failure or other major mechanical failure chassis corrosion can be one of the most expensive faults to rectify.
I have been up front with my involvement - thought I was doing TVR owners a good turn !

WildfireS3

9,910 posts

274 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Definitely appreciative of brining it to our notice. If it works I'd definitely be interested in it. I think some of us will need some more proof of it working. I know someone is looking into it.

Not that we are saying that it is a scam, just that some of us are a bit cynical.

But like I said if it works I will definitely have one!

Le TVR

3,097 posts

273 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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OK, the concept appears valid. Using 'free' electrons in the structure to inhibit corrosion.
Dont forget tho' that the S chassis is already integrally part of the electrical circuit. ie there are already free electrons flowing through it (except for you that lay them up all winter)
Is it any interest that the S chassis rusts most where there would be minimum current flow and maximum agression from the elements?
I thought that something sacrificial (zinc??) would also provide the required electrons?? Probably where 'galva'nisation comes from?

Is there a scientist in the house? Its beyond me



Roy_S2

654 posts

298 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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chunder said:
Just to answer an earlier query the system will not drain the battery as it switches itself off when battery voltage reaches 12.2V.


I wasn't suggesting that it would drain the battery as I noted either from their web site of your post that it did indeed switch itself off before this happened. My concern was that it would use up a portion of the battery and then other things like alarm, radio, clock, etc.. which do not switch themselves off would have much less battery power left to drain. So those of us who didn't use the car everyday and keep the battery topped up, may have more problems with weak batteries.

Roy.

alan_d

88 posts

285 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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I'm not an electrical expert but this sounds like an ICCP (impressed current cathodic protection) system in ship terminology. To my knowledge these systems can be very effective but have to be carefully designed/tuned to ensure that all parts of the hull (or chassis) are equally protected. It may also struggle to protect large areas of exposed steel as opposed to small local coating failures.

Maca

146 posts

281 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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i've had the CAT system on the griffith since september now. battery drain's no problem - though the car is run 4 to 5 times a week. any questions, feel free to email me.

Roy_S2

654 posts

298 months

Friday 9th January 2004
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Are there any exposed areas of metal on your chassis that are rust free?

Roy.

Maca

146 posts

281 months

Friday 9th January 2004
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yes

DustyC

12,820 posts

276 months

Friday 9th January 2004
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BERGS2 said:
Sounds great in principle - surprised if is so good that it hasn't been marketed more widely before...



Theyare really popular in Australia where people regularly drive along the beach or drive their 4x4s into the sea to sit on it and fish.
And they do work!

I wanted one but couldnt afford it, so just had to work hard cleaning the truck everytime I drove in the sea!