Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
Rollin said:
Why is Salmond so desperate for a currency union?
- because the Euro is still in intensive care - assuming scotland is allowed into the EU in a timely manner - Irn-bru bottle tops are rated poorly by S+P etc ...
however a currency union would mean that Scotland would not have full fiscal independence from the UK and the BoE would set majopr monetary policy ...
while that's not that great an issue for the British but not UK islands (the channel Islands and IoM but also the British overseas territories) it could be for a 'free' Scotland ...
simoid said:
exitwound said:
All that matters to me is the fact that I can vote for a political party here in Scotland with primarily Scottish matters to concern it.
what the f
k are the SNP? And all the other folk in the Scottish parliament?
Time some people grew a pair and embraced the fact that Scots may soon have the chance to run their own country.
we do to pretty much the maximum extent through our voice in the Scottish parliament and our representation in the UK parliament. Salmond's adviser, John Kay - independence for small countries is largely symbolic and inescapably limited.
Yes it will be difficult, we will fall down a lot, and its not a land of milk and honey, but its worth the risk at any cost to secure a future for generations to come.
Tosh. Of course it's not 'worth it at any cost'. Would you live in a ditch for the rest of your life being pissed on by goats and bitten by midges every night for eternity? Of course you wouldn't. And also, have you no idea of the pain that people go through when their country 'falls down'? And you think this'll happen 'a lot'? Somebody said masochist recently and that's exactly what you appear to be.
I drive an old Corvette and a Chevy pickup and I predict bad things for the running of both, due to the amount of tree huggers in the SP, but I'm willing to take the risk, for the sake of a better future for all.
Gee thanks. On a side note, you can tell them you're reducing, reusing, recycling and not contributing to emissions by buying a new car
I'm willing to take the leap of faith just for that.. If it fails, then there's no one to blame except us. If we're better together, then why aren't we already? Why try to tempt us to stay with a vague promise of "more powers" for the Scottish Parliament? Lets not get ahead of ourselves, any decision on EU or whatever will be decided by us alone, that's the difference.
The EU decision is made by the EU. "One does not simply walk into the EU." If it fails, then there's nobody to blame except ourselves for the utter failure of a country we have. The UK, on the other hand, is highly unlikely to "fail". It's being going for 300 years and got through the most enormous of challenges and even ruled the world. The last time Scotland was a country, it failed when it tried to compete with our closest neighbours.
Put your heart into this country or get your arse out.. If anyone's going to "bog" out then by all means do it with our blessing, ..we don't need your faint heart.
My heart, my brain and my wallet are in this country. I think with all three, and try to keep my bks out of the decision making process. Try it some time.
My bold, for anyone wondering.what the f
k are the SNP? And all the other folk in the Scottish parliament?Time some people grew a pair and embraced the fact that Scots may soon have the chance to run their own country.
we do to pretty much the maximum extent through our voice in the Scottish parliament and our representation in the UK parliament. Salmond's adviser, John Kay - independence for small countries is largely symbolic and inescapably limited.
Yes it will be difficult, we will fall down a lot, and its not a land of milk and honey, but its worth the risk at any cost to secure a future for generations to come.
Tosh. Of course it's not 'worth it at any cost'. Would you live in a ditch for the rest of your life being pissed on by goats and bitten by midges every night for eternity? Of course you wouldn't. And also, have you no idea of the pain that people go through when their country 'falls down'? And you think this'll happen 'a lot'? Somebody said masochist recently and that's exactly what you appear to be.
I drive an old Corvette and a Chevy pickup and I predict bad things for the running of both, due to the amount of tree huggers in the SP, but I'm willing to take the risk, for the sake of a better future for all.
Gee thanks. On a side note, you can tell them you're reducing, reusing, recycling and not contributing to emissions by buying a new car
I'm willing to take the leap of faith just for that.. If it fails, then there's no one to blame except us. If we're better together, then why aren't we already? Why try to tempt us to stay with a vague promise of "more powers" for the Scottish Parliament? Lets not get ahead of ourselves, any decision on EU or whatever will be decided by us alone, that's the difference.
The EU decision is made by the EU. "One does not simply walk into the EU." If it fails, then there's nobody to blame except ourselves for the utter failure of a country we have. The UK, on the other hand, is highly unlikely to "fail". It's being going for 300 years and got through the most enormous of challenges and even ruled the world. The last time Scotland was a country, it failed when it tried to compete with our closest neighbours.
Put your heart into this country or get your arse out.. If anyone's going to "bog" out then by all means do it with our blessing, ..we don't need your faint heart.
My heart, my brain and my wallet are in this country. I think with all three, and try to keep my b
ks out of the decision making process. Try it some time.
ViperPict said:
The EU issue has NOT been decided - if it had, Westminster would be latching onto this. It COULD be decided if Westminster directly asked the question of the EU but they refuse to - I wonder why?! In reality, the transition of an independent Scotland into the EU will likely be very simple. There is no reason they would not want Scotland in and removing us would go against fundamental principals of the EU.
Really?I think the EU has made its position perfectly f
king clear just your too blind and petty to consider the possibility you might be wrongAll from HERE
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybus...
Which is the committee headed by the SNP in the scottish parliament looking at the issue of if we will be out of the EU when we vote YES.
First letter to the EU. Stating that they believe we cannot be thrown out of the Eu as there is no way of removing our membership. Which is the most common argument that we will stay in the EU.
Letter here dated 10th of march
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
The reply is received on the 20th of march 2014
Saying that when we leave the UK then we become a new country and ergo we are no longer members of the EU as we belong to a new country which is not a member of the EU and they have been saying this since 2004 letter here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
So the SNP believe that the EU doesn’t know what the EU is talking about so they ask again on the 11th of April just incase the Eu got it wrong letter here http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And the Eu have replied on the 4th of June 2014 which is found here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And it is a short one so i shall quote it here
"As far as EU citizenship is concerned, this is not an autonomous status but is dependent on national citizenship. In accordance with Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), only persons holding the nationality of a Member State are EU citizens. EU citizenship is additional to and does not replace national citizenship."
So how exactly will we have continuous membership of the EU?
What did the last president of the EU say?
He said it would be very difficult for Scotland to join the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scot...
But he is no longer president of the EU
So just a pity we can't ask the new president directly as MEPs are banned from asking them
oh wait
Whats this?
oh it is a Scottish MEP asking exactly that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1pyyLJskg
now got any more made up bulls
t?You won't respond to anything i say you will just pick up on spelling and grammar or say have i left yet.
Because you are content free
you have nothing to add other then sectarian digs
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
The EU issue has NOT been decided - if it had, Westminster would be latching onto this. It COULD be decided if Westminster directly asked the question of the EU but they refuse to - I wonder why?! In reality, the transition of an independent Scotland into the EU will likely be very simple. There is no reason they would not want Scotland in and removing us would go against fundamental principals of the EU.
Really?I think the EU has made its position perfectly f
king clear just your too blind and petty to consider the possibility you might be wrongAll from HERE
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybus...
Which is the committee headed by the SNP in the scottish parliament looking at the issue of if we will be out of the EU when we vote YES.
First letter to the EU. Stating that they believe we cannot be thrown out of the Eu as there is no way of removing our membership. Which is the most common argument that we will stay in the EU.
Letter here dated 10th of march
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
The reply is received on the 20th of march 2014
Saying that when we leave the UK then we become a new country and ergo we are no longer members of the EU as we belong to a new country which is not a member of the EU and they have been saying this since 2004 letter here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
So the SNP believe that the EU doesn’t know what the EU is talking about so they ask again on the 11th of April just incase the Eu got it wrong letter here http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And the Eu have replied on the 4th of June 2014 which is found here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And it is a short one so i shall quote it here
"As far as EU citizenship is concerned, this is not an autonomous status but is dependent on national citizenship. In accordance with Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), only persons holding the nationality of a Member State are EU citizens. EU citizenship is additional to and does not replace national citizenship."
So how exactly will we have continuous membership of the EU?
What did the last president of the EU say?
He said it would be very difficult for Scotland to join the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scot...
But he is no longer president of the EU
So just a pity we can't ask the new president directly as MEPs are banned from asking them
oh wait
Whats this?
oh it is a Scottish MEP asking exactly that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1pyyLJskg
now got any more made up bulls
t?You won't respond to anything i say you will just pick up on spelling and grammar or say have i left yet.
Because you are content free
you have nothing to add other then sectarian digs
t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! McWigglebum4th said:
The problem is the wee council schemie neds who have never worked a day in their life are the ones most likely to vote YES and are hoping to gain the most. they don't have the brains, skills, money, education or motivation to better themselves so will exist forever in scotland adding nothing
Tory voting traitor scum like myself who are intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will fk off quite happily
The people you need to build a successful scotland are people like me
What you will be left with is feckless wasters
People like you are why intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will vote YES.Tory voting traitor scum like myself who are intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will f
k off quite happilyThe people you need to build a successful scotland are people like me
What you will be left with is feckless wasters
What are you on about at the least show some respect to those who are voting YES, where are you coming from or going with that all YES voters are "feckless wasters"
I was undecided but just away to complete my postal vote, thanks for making my mind up.
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bullst. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How could i be scaremongering about something i want?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! I am pointing out that you are a lying little tosser as normal
And you are correct
The EU will not make a decision that does not help the EU
What helps the EU is to see a small part of the EU leave the EU and fail hugely
Do you think scotland leaving the EU and prospering will help the EU?
NOPE
Or they will let us back in minus all the rebates our darling saintly lovely wonderful dearest baroness Margret Thatcher may god rest her soul arranged for us
tighnamara said:
People like you are why intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will vote YES.
What are you on about at the least show some respect to those who are voting YES, where are you coming from or going with that all YES voters are "feckless wasters"
I was undecided but just away to complete my postal vote, thanks for making my mind up.
Well you better not leave Scotland once the international markets take fright and abandon itWhat are you on about at the least show some respect to those who are voting YES, where are you coming from or going with that all YES voters are "feckless wasters"
I was undecided but just away to complete my postal vote, thanks for making my mind up.
I think all YES voters should be recorded and not allowed to leave
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bullst. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How much can Scotland afford to give to the EU annually in order to make it "in their best interest"?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! NoNeed said:
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bullst. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How much can Scotland afford to give to the EU annually in order to make it "in their best interest"?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! t" or "We don't want to be in the EU anyway..so ner"I'm wondering what they think an answer to an official question from the Scottish government by the EU actually means?
Is the Scottish government so incompetent that they sent the question to the wrong person at the EU? Twice?
Why do these nats not believe the answer? It's f
king bizarre. whoami said:
tighnamara said:
I was undecided but just away to complete my postal vote, thanks for making my mind up.
You are voting Yes because of what someone you don't know said to you on the internet?
On other forums I am able to use settings to ignore certain other members.
I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their ste forever!
Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their s
te forever!Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
GoneAnon said:
On other forums I am able to use settings to ignore certain other members.
I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their ste forever!
Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
100% YES. So to speakI've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their s
te forever!Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
One thing I notice is the change of rhetoric by unionists now. It's not so much a derisory laugh of 'no chance of independence' to 'I'm leaving after a YES vote' or 'I'll laugh at how f
ked Scotland will be after independence'. What was it that Gandhi said? Gassing Station | Scotland | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff