Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
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whoami said:
You are voting Yes because of what someone you don't know said to you on the internet?
Of course I am not, it was a bit tongue in cheek but he certainly doesn't think much of YES voters and that's my point.Whatever way I vote I will accept a Yes or No victory and get on with life in the UK or an independent Scotland.
He shows no respect to others views and feels it necessary to down people voting Yes.
No one and it really is no one that knows how an independent Scotland will be but we know that whatever way it works we should work together to make it a better place for all.
The better together campaign is faltering at what is the most important stage of the campaign and there will be more voters likely to change from a No to a Yes than Yes to a No from now on in.
Getting close and there are a few who will be getting really worried on the future of the UK without Scotland, the better together have focused too much on the you can't do that, you won't get that, that's not the actual oil revenue, you won't get a currency union. They have forgotten that the people of. Scotland need to know what they are going to get by remaining in the UK, only obvious will be UNCERTAINTY.
So either way we Scots are faced with uncertainty but one way could allows it to be in there own hands and not Westminster.
We all have views and opinions but ultimately after the 18th will only be when we all know hat everyone actually thinks and how good of a campaign the Yes or Better Together have had.
NoNeed said:
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bulls
t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How much can Scotland afford to give to the EU annually in order to make it "in their best interest"?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! ViperPict said:
Proportionally we will afford more that rUK!
Which is just as well, because without the rebates that Margaret Thatcher negotiated for the UK your contributions are going to be pretty high, closer to Denmark's 374 Euros per person than the UK's 195, based on 2010 figures.GoneAnon said:
On other forums I am able to use settings to ignore certain other members.
I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their ste forever!
Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
I'll rise above it.I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their s
te forever!Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
What's your preferred currency option for your country?
Gaspode said:
Which is just as well, because without the rebates that Margaret Thatcher negotiated for the UK your contributions are going to be pretty high, closer to Denmark's 374 Euros per person than the UK's 195, based on 2010 figures.
Why if Scotland did gain entry could they not negotiate a similar contribution ?tighnamara said:
I don't know hence the question/s ?
Let's say you're part of a club. Somebody gets a cheap membership of the club because of something that happened a few decades ago. They're allowed to ignore a fair few of the rules of the club, but all new members have to follow the rules. If it was a golf club, let's say this guy gets free drinks, discounted membership and gets to wander about the clubhouse in their baffies and jammies.Some new guy rocks up, asking for the discounted membership and all of the additional perks that the present member has (much to the disgruntlement of the few dozen ordinary members who play by the same rules).
Would the new guy get in?
Or would the membership say "naw, he can pay the same as us"?
simoid said:
tighnamara said:
I don't know hence the question/s ?
Let's say you're part of a club. Somebody gets a cheap membership of the club because of something that happened a few decades ago. They're allowed to ignore a fair few of the rules of the club, but all new members have to follow the rules. If it was a golf club, let's say this guy gets free drinks, discounted membership and gets to wander about the clubhouse in their baffies and jammies.Some new guy rocks up, asking for the discounted membership and all of the additional perks that the present member has (much to the disgruntlement of the few dozen ordinary members who play by the same rules).
Would the new guy get in?
Or would the membership say "naw, he can pay the same as us"?
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
Proportionally we will afford more that rUK!
Which is just as well, because without the rebates that Margaret Thatcher negotiated for the UK your contributions are going to be pretty high, closer to Denmark's 374 Euros per person than the UK's 195, based on 2010 figures.barryrs said:
tighnamara said:
Why if Scotland did gain entry could they not negotiate a similar contribution ?
Why would any other EU nation contemplate it?They are pretty pissed at our rebate let alone allowing a new entrant to benefit from it.
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
tighnamara said:
I don't know hence the question/s ?
Let's say you're part of a club. Somebody gets a cheap membership of the club because of something that happened a few decades ago. They're allowed to ignore a fair few of the rules of the club, but all new members have to follow the rules. If it was a golf club, let's say this guy gets free drinks, discounted membership and gets to wander about the clubhouse in their baffies and jammies.Some new guy rocks up, asking for the discounted membership and all of the additional perks that the present member has (much to the disgruntlement of the few dozen ordinary members who play by the same rules).
Would the new guy get in?
Or would the membership say "naw, he can pay the same as us"?
Do you think Scotland would enjoy a preferential membership, or a membership like every other member?
ViperPict said:
NoNeed said:
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bullst. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How much can Scotland afford to give to the EU annually in order to make it "in their best interest"?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! 
tighnamara said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Well you better not leave Scotland once the international markets take fright and abandon it
I think all YES voters should be recorded and not allowed to leave
Why would I want to leave ? I think all YES voters should be recorded and not allowed to leave
Should all No voters be shipped out ?
When it turns out a
holes like me are right and you end up unemployedGoneAnon said:
On other forums I am able to use settings to ignore certain other members.
I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their ste forever!
Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
If you get a massive stiffy over being in a country run by a useless clueless tit from Edinburgh instead of a useless clueless tit from London. I've now reached the stage where I'm tired of being told I'm feckless or stupid for wanting my country to run its own affairs so I'm offering the clever Nae-sayers the opportunity to display their superior intellect and point me to this setting here so I can ignore their s
te forever!Honestly, some of the things posted here would get a person banned if you sustituted any number of other words or groups for YES voters. If your level of "debate" is name calling and abuse, I will choose to respond by rising above it.
Then vote yes
I can't argue with that.
If you think a yes vote will make you rich or morally better then me I will call you a moron all day long unless you can prove otherwise.
ViperPict said:
So you are conceding that we will be in the EU? Ok, we're starting to get through to you...
I certainly accept that an independent Scotland would probably be able to negotiate entry to the EU, under the existing articles and by getting all the other members to signal their acceptance. Would they be able to do it under the same terms as the UK has? No. That has already been made clear by EU representatives. They wouldn't be looking at getting a rebate, and they would almost certainly have to commit to joining the Euro.
Gaspode said:
I certainly accept that an independent Scotland would probably be able to negotiate entry to the EU, under the existing articles and by getting all the other members to signal their acceptance.
Would they be able to do it under the same terms as the UK has? No. That has already been made clear by EU representatives. They wouldn't be looking at getting a rebate, and they would almost certainly have to commit to joining the Euro.
And just like several other countries in the EU, mysteriously but consistently fail to meet the criteria; oh damn, what a shame, we'll try harder next year... Would they be able to do it under the same terms as the UK has? No. That has already been made clear by EU representatives. They wouldn't be looking at getting a rebate, and they would almost certainly have to commit to joining the Euro.
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