4 pot front callipers 350i and 350se

[Lemonentry]

Hi, on my WAS project 350se it has the brake set up of the 350i. That apart am I right by saying these are callipers were also used by mk1/2 escorts and capri,s otherwise known as M16s? This apart I have a dilemma, I understand solid and vented discs but on vented they have a habit of delamitation within 20 k . I understand heat will cause brake fade, hence vented is the way. But my project hopefully will be 200 kg lighter than standard 350, so I have purchased solid drilled some time back and going to use them to suck it and see. Now Austin princess callipers fit, but with double pipes, hard to find, what other 4 pot options are there as I've seen wimwood do 4 pots for mk1 /2 escorts, are they any good?

Also can someone please measure the distance between the front side out rigger corner nr the front wheel and the ground on a standard 350'I or se, I'm close to placing all the weight the car is going to carry, and interested what the ride height difference is as I never took note before I started, it will give me a indication of weight loss?

Sorry another also - planning to drive with the widows open top down, but do wedges get hot in the tunnel and bulk head area, due to engine and exhaust heat?

[Yatesy350i]

Kev

Hoping to be up your way in the next few weeks so you can take any measurements you need from my 350i.

Not to much heat from gear box tunnel at the minute but not been further than 50 miles. Certainly no where near as hot as the Spitfire used to get.

Karl.

[loud430]

i kev, i thought the m16 caliper upgrade on escorts & capris were princess calipers but with a spacer kit fitted to widen the caliper to get it to fit over a vented disc? i might be totally wrong..

[dixiebabes]

hope this helps. If you have a series 1 350i like mine these are the dimensions you need.

Dix

[dixiebabes]

loud430 said:

i kev, i thought the m16 caliper upgrade on escorts & capris were princess calipers but with a spacer kit fitted to widen the caliper to get it to fit over a vented disc? i might be totally wrong..

Nope you are correct!

Dix

[loud430]

cheers dix, couldnt quite remember back to my escort days!

[barrington]

if you can find them the 400se front brakes were 4 pot ap cast calipers and vented discs heres a pic on the left is standard on the right is what i have upgraded to

[barrington]

with height on my old 350i the wish bones were level at the bottom with the chassis hope this helps

Edited by barrington on Sunday 27th January 09:53

[dixiebabes]

This is mine fitted to the car with the caliper on upside down. I done that so you could all see the wrong way to fit them with the bleed nipple at the bottom erm HTH

Dix




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[superwedge]

this my one with granada brakes on,

[Lemonentry]

barrington said:

if you can find them the 400se front brakes were 4 pot ap cast calipers and vented discs heres a pic on the left is standard on the right is what i have upgraded to

These 400 brakes look as well they work i expect, Sorry for being thick, I need to make sure. The brakes on the left are standard 350 and the brakes on the right are standard 400 se. If so , are they a straight replacement, and can you buy brand new discs for them, or are they only available second hand, because I don't want to end up with a nightmare of finding spares in a few years time?

On the other info gents, thanks a lot. I got the m16 reference from eBay, on the wimwood 4 pot callipers that can be brought for either solid or vented discs. These look better than Austin items and the same price new, they also don't look messy with nightmare bleeding or double pipe input problems, this may be better for the future for repairs and replacement discs.

Mind the 400 se ones really do look the business!

[barrington]

brakes on left are 400se brakes they are 4 pot ap calipers with vented discs they are standard on 400se and some 390se. the ones on the right are ap 4 pot ally calipers with bells and rotors from a tuscan s with red rose upgrade [also cerbera] .the 350i uses cortina brakes but you can easily upgrade these with 2.8i granada estate vented discs and calipers

[Lemonentry]

Cheers guys, gives me something to think about.

[mk2 24v]

Or, if the vented Granada setup isn't up to scratch for you, there's also this setup if you know some one with a machine shop

[The Hatter]

The 350i brakes aren't Cortina they are Granada 2.0/diesel (non vented). The first attempt at upgrading them by TVR was the 390SE version, these were Granada 2.8i/estate which are vented and use different calipers/pads. Later cars used the Princess 4 pot calipers with (I believe) a spacer to suit the granada vented discs.

TVR being TVR I doubt that the picture is very simple across models; they probably fitted whatever they had at the time...

[Lemonentry]

barrington]brakes on left are 400se brakes they are 4 pot ap calipers with vented discs they are standard on 400se and some 390se. the ones on the right are ap 4 pot ally calipers with bells and rotors from a tuscan s with red rose upgrade [also cerbera said:

.the 350i uses cortina brakes but you can easily upgrade these with 2.8i granada estate vented discs and calipers

Hi dave, good conversation today, sorry I had to break off, wife had a dinner on the table and I was getting one of those " your talking Tvr looks" anyway the penny has now dropped' as some time back I purchased some brand new 4 pot brembo cals from a supercharged s type jag below that can take a disc 28 mm thick and 315 to 340mm wide with 90mm lugs for £325' which i thought was a mistake, but using bigger discs like yours I will not get lug interference so with that I can make straight forward flat adaptors. Also with this set up, do I junk the in line rear brake anti snatch gizmo, as my need for saving weight and making things simple is all consuming in the WAS workshop?

[grahamw48]

Brake discs across the Wedge range are Granada.

Quite simple. Granadas are 5 stud. Cortinas/Escort/Capri all 4 stud.

Original factory 'standard' fittings were:

350i (and 280i) ...Granada saloon non-vented with matching Ford calipers.

390SEs...Granada Estate vented, with matching Ford 2 pot calipers.

400/450SE...as 390SE, but with 4 pot AP Princess type calipers.

[Keri]

Some had the AP rotors + bells with the Princess caliper as well.

[grahamw48]

Yes, 400SE >

[Wedg1e]

...and some 390SEs had Princess 4-pots with Ford discs