Temperature guage sensor

Temperature guage sensor

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The Guinnster

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19 posts

205 months

Saturday 12th May 2007
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Hello from a new owner of a 1985 350i. This forum has been great for information, thanks a lot, and I'm currently waiting delivery of the Heath Wedge book to help me find my way round my new toy. In the mean time, does anyone know where the temperature guage sensor is situated and where I can get a new one from ? Thanks again.

rev-erend

21,439 posts

286 months

Saturday 12th May 2007
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There are two temp sensors and both are on the front of the inlet manifold..

I recently bought one fron TVR car parts - their prices are reasonable.

ed_crouch

1,169 posts

244 months

Saturday 12th May 2007
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Hi there.

There are two brass & plastic jobbies just by the distributor in the inlet manifold.

One of them is the thermotime switch. This activates the extra air valve (it gives the engine a bit more air when its on cold start). I believe this is the frontmost of the 2.

Behind it is the coolant temperature sensor, which drives the gauge. Its basically a bit of electrical kit whose resistance goes DOWN as it gets hotter (Negative Temperature Coefficient, NTC). Thus, if you connect it in series with the gauge, as it gets hoter, its resistance goes down and more of the 12 volts is applied to the gauge, moving the needle further.

Ed.

dw350i

436 posts

223 months

Saturday 12th May 2007
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The engine temp sensor described above sends signals to the ECU not the dash guage. The guage one is a single spade terminal type screwed horizontal into the front of the inlet manifold above the drivers side cylinder bank.

The Guinnster

Original Poster:

19 posts

205 months

Saturday 12th May 2007
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Thanks a lot for the quick replies folks. I'll check it out in the morning and give TVR parts a call on Monday. Until then, I think i'll go sit in the car on the drive, start it up and frighten the neighbours. Great.


Edited by The Guinnster on Saturday 12th May 23:32

honestjohntoo

576 posts

218 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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ed_crouch said:
There are two brass & plastic jobbies just by the distributor in the inlet manifold.

One of them is the thermotime switch. This activates the extra air valve (it gives the engine a bit more air when its on cold start).

Behind it is the coolant temperature sensor, which drives the gauge.

Ed.


The thermotime switch controls the cold start injector depending upon the temperature of the coolant.

The adjacent temperature sensor advises the ECU of coolant temperature to vary the fuel/air mixture ratio during warm up.

The EAV allows more air to be drawn into the engine, bypassing the throttle disc, thus raising the idle speed to overcome increased engine friction loads when cold. It shuts completely when the engine is hot.

ed_crouch

1,169 posts

244 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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Oops, I stand corrected there. So theres THREE (?!?) temperature sensors...?

Ed.

wedg1e

26,814 posts

267 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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ed_crouch said:
Oops, I stand corrected there. So theres THREE (?!?) temperature sensors...?

Ed.



Yes. Front left: thermotime switch. Behind that: coolant temp sensor FOR THE ECU so it knows how hot the engine is. Both screwed vertically downward into inlet manifold.

Front RIGHT, screwed horizontally into the front wall of the inlet manifold, is the gauge sender.

honestjohntoo

576 posts

218 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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ed_crouch said:
Oops, I stand corrected there. So theres THREE (?!?) temperature sensors...?
Ed.


How about five? Four of them monitoring coolant temperature. The EAV is temp sensitive to become fully closed above 60-70 C., plus the AFM has an Air temp sensor.

The Guinnster

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19 posts

205 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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If this was top trumps it would be great, " 8 cylinders and 5 temperature sensors!" I'm getting confused now. I can't even go look as its pouring down in sunny Middlesbrough and I'm garageless. Looks like i'll have to open the wine instead.

wedg1e

26,814 posts

267 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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The Guinnster said:
If this was top trumps it would be great, " 8 cylinders and 5 temperature sensors!" I'm getting confused now. I can't even go look as its pouring down in sunny Middlesbrough and I'm garageless. Looks like i'll have to open the wine instead.


Ah, well if you'd said that earlier I could have come and hit it with a hammer for you instead of going to the pub: I'm just across the river

pwd95

8,386 posts

240 months

Sunday 13th May 2007
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How about 6 sensors. Isn't the "otter switch" on the rad a temp sensor for the cooling fans?


Edited by pwd95 on Sunday 13th May 23:36

The Guinnster

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19 posts

205 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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wedg1e said:
The Guinnster said:
If this was top trumps it would be great, " 8 cylinders and 5 temperature sensors!" I'm getting confused now. I can't even go look as its pouring down in sunny Middlesbrough and I'm garageless. Looks like i'll have to open the wine instead.


Ah, well if you'd said that earlier I could have come and hit it with a hammer for you instead of going to the pub: I'm just across the river


Ah, you've been getting lessons from some of the local "specialists" with there carburettor hammers. Would that be the old "When you're ready, nod your head and i'll hit it!"

wedg1e

26,814 posts

267 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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The Guinnster said:


Ah, you've been getting lessons from some of the local "specialists" with there carburettor hammers. Would that be the old "When you're ready, nod your head and i'll hit it!"


That's the one

Actually I have a fuel injector hammer, but it works just the same...