emmigrating to New Zealand
Discussion
REMF said:
The OP asked for an opinion of NZ, not the UK, one assumes he has his reasons for leaving some of which may reflect your comments. The UK, unlike NZ, doesn't hold itself out as an emigration destination of choice, people generally come for a reason be it family or business, NZ markets itself quite differently, the reality is very different to the dream being pushed..
Really? So all of those TV ads, travel brochures, billboards etc. we see of Big Ben, the Palace Guards, Bucks Palace, Tower Bridge etc are just decoration?In the end, about 60% of my friends over here are ex-pat Brits.
Of those, about 2/3 are people who love the country and either love that they've made it their home or can't wait to do the same... the remaining third never stop moaning about how nothing's as good as the UK and don't shut up about it.... and unsurprisingly the locals don't really warm to them and have no problem returning the favour by offering the cold shoulder.
I think some people need to realise that while you don't need to exactly go into a foreign country with your rose-tinted specs on, you do need to have an open mind.
Esprit said:
Really? So all of those TV ads, travel brochures, billboards etc. we see of Big Ben, the Palace Guards, Bucks Palace, Tower Bridge etc are just decoration?
In the end, about 60% of my friends over here are ex-pat Brits.
Of those, about 2/3 are people who love the country and either love that they've made it their home or can't wait to do the same... the remaining third never stop moaning about how nothing's as good as the UK and don't shut up about it.... and unsurprisingly the locals don't really warm to them and have no problem returning the favour by offering the cold shoulder.
I think some people need to realise that while you don't need to exactly go into a foreign country with your rose-tinted specs on, you do need to have an open mind.
You are comparing apples with oranges with all due respect, the UK might be a tourist destination and marketed as such, it has never been marketed as a migration destination even for areas where skill shortages might exist. It's part of the wider European area so doesn't need to as a rule. So yeah, come and marvel at the history, museums, royalty etc etc but unless you came out the back if a truck at Dover, that's all most travellers to the UK do, or business given its hub status.In the end, about 60% of my friends over here are ex-pat Brits.
Of those, about 2/3 are people who love the country and either love that they've made it their home or can't wait to do the same... the remaining third never stop moaning about how nothing's as good as the UK and don't shut up about it.... and unsurprisingly the locals don't really warm to them and have no problem returning the favour by offering the cold shoulder.
I think some people need to realise that while you don't need to exactly go into a foreign country with your rose-tinted specs on, you do need to have an open mind.
NZ suits some migrants, and doesn't suit others, it's great for the type of Brit who likes to moan about immigration in the UK while failing to see the irony of that view. It's also a back door into Australia for many who aren't allowed in via normal migration routes. NZ is Australia's Mexico, the Costa Del Sol of the Pacific.
With all due respect, you do talk some complete and utter b
ks.
With the influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc into the UK in the past generation, the UK does get a lot of skilled migrants.
The fact that it's right on Europe's doorstep does tend to mean it doesn't need to market itself as such, it's always in demand for such things. Of course NZ is going to have to work hard to encourage people to make their lives here, due to its geographical isolation!
Given the number of British cops I've met latley I'm sure that, in at least one sector, that recruitment and advertising dollar is money well-spent!
ks.With the influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc into the UK in the past generation, the UK does get a lot of skilled migrants.
The fact that it's right on Europe's doorstep does tend to mean it doesn't need to market itself as such, it's always in demand for such things. Of course NZ is going to have to work hard to encourage people to make their lives here, due to its geographical isolation!
Given the number of British cops I've met latley I'm sure that, in at least one sector, that recruitment and advertising dollar is money well-spent!
Esprit said:
With all due respect, you do talk some complete and utter bks.
With the influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc into the UK in the past generation, the UK does get a lot of skilled migrants.
The fact that it's right on Europe's doorstep does tend to mean it doesn't need to market itself as such, it's always in demand for such things. Of course NZ is going to have to work hard to encourage people to make their lives here, due to its geographical isolation!
Given the number of British cops I've met latley I'm sure that, in at least one sector, that recruitment and advertising dollar is money well-spent!
You couldn't be further from the truth. Most Indians, Pakistani's generally enter the UK via the student or visitor visa category, they only convert to residency later when they need to because their leave is going to expire or theyve done the time necessary to get indefinate leave. Like I said, with all due respect, you are comparing apples and oranges. Very few, unlike NZ, enter as residents at first entry. You seem a bit confused about how one enters a country, and why.ks.With the influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc into the UK in the past generation, the UK does get a lot of skilled migrants.
The fact that it's right on Europe's doorstep does tend to mean it doesn't need to market itself as such, it's always in demand for such things. Of course NZ is going to have to work hard to encourage people to make their lives here, due to its geographical isolation!
Given the number of British cops I've met latley I'm sure that, in at least one sector, that recruitment and advertising dollar is money well-spent!
The cops came over because NZ Police aggressively recruited in the UK in 2006/7/8, many came because they were told they could cash in pensions at $3 to the pound, sounded great at the time but they are now being chased for tax owing due to a change in the law. I meet lots of ex-pat cops daily, there is a perception that many who have fallen foul of this loophole have stuffed up careers and thoughts of getting out while relatively young.
I repeat, the UK doesn't market its as a primary migratory destination, unlike NZ. NZ needs migrants otherwise NZ fails on so many levels, this is why the USP as presented by NZ is so misleading because once you're in, it's hellishly expensive to get out, this is the key to understanding the issues I've raised about why the reality is different to the picture that's presented. All I can say is thank God someone else was paying for me to be there, got over go Australia a few times and the difference was night and day, friendly, upbeat and a do it mentality. NZ doesn't even register in Australia whereas Australia totally vex's most Kiwis.
I respect anyone who can make it in NZ on the basis that everything is twice as hard, utterly tied up in red tape and the tall poppy thing is all pervading.
Another thing, treat 'Kiwi owned and operated' as a warning rather than a recommendation!
Apples and Oranges.
Edited by REMF on Monday 8th April 06:22
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REMF said:
You couldn't be further from the truth. Most Indians, Pakistani's generally enter the UK via the student or visitor visa category, they only convert to residency later when they need to because their leave is going to expire or theyve done the time necessary to get indefinate leave. Like I said, with all due respect, you are comparing apples and oranges. Very few, unlike NZ, enter as residents at first entry. You seem a bit confused about how one enters a country, and why.
The cops came over because NZ Police aggressively recruited in the UK in 2006/7/8, many came because they were told they could cash in pensions at $3 to the pound, sounded great at the time but they are now being chased for tax owing due to a change in the law. I meet lots of ex-pat cops daily, there is a perception that many who have fallen foul of this loophole have stuffed up careers and thoughts of getting out while relatively young.
I repeat, the UK doesn't market its as a primary migratory destination, unlike NZ. NZ needs migrants otherwise NZ fails on so many levels, this is why the USP as presented by NZ is so misleading because once you're in, it's hellishly expensive to get out, this is the key to understanding the issues I've raised about why the reality is different to the picture that's presented. All I can say is thank God someone else was paying for me to be there, got over go Australia a few times and the difference was night and day, friendly, upbeat and a do it mentality. NZ doesn't even register in Australia whereas Australia totally vex's most Kiwis.
I respect anyone who can make it in NZ on the basis that everything is twice as hard, utterly tied up in red tape and the tall poppy thing is all pervading.
Another thing, treat 'Kiwi owned and operated' as a warning rather than a recommendation!
Apples and Oranges.
There used to be a humorous advert as the train pulled into Waterloo station in London that read:The cops came over because NZ Police aggressively recruited in the UK in 2006/7/8, many came because they were told they could cash in pensions at $3 to the pound, sounded great at the time but they are now being chased for tax owing due to a change in the law. I meet lots of ex-pat cops daily, there is a perception that many who have fallen foul of this loophole have stuffed up careers and thoughts of getting out while relatively young.
I repeat, the UK doesn't market its as a primary migratory destination, unlike NZ. NZ needs migrants otherwise NZ fails on so many levels, this is why the USP as presented by NZ is so misleading because once you're in, it's hellishly expensive to get out, this is the key to understanding the issues I've raised about why the reality is different to the picture that's presented. All I can say is thank God someone else was paying for me to be there, got over go Australia a few times and the difference was night and day, friendly, upbeat and a do it mentality. NZ doesn't even register in Australia whereas Australia totally vex's most Kiwis.
I respect anyone who can make it in NZ on the basis that everything is twice as hard, utterly tied up in red tape and the tall poppy thing is all pervading.
Another thing, treat 'Kiwi owned and operated' as a warning rather than a recommendation!
Apples and Oranges.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO LONDON.
Milton Keynes.
That's how I feel about Australia.
It's not dynamic here, not vibrant, hectic or edgy. It's not its way. Far from that being a drawback it's its raison d'etre and much the better for it.
It won't suit some, those who seek constant interaction, sophistication and distraction will be disappointed.
As for opportunity, the soporific nature you talk about lends itself excellently to those who are capable of doing better and working harder, bring your foreign perspectives and knowledge, put them to good use and you'll financially succeed, I can't think of an easier country to make money in although every step we take towards living a more 'European' lifestyle erodes the joy and simplicity we appreciate so much.
Edited by cheddar on Monday 8th April 07:12
cheddar said:
There used to be a humorous advert as the train pulled into Waterloo station in London that read:
YOU'RE WELCOME TO LONDON.
Milton Keynes.
That's how I feel about Australia.
It's not dynamic here, not vibrant, hectic or edgy. It's not its way. Far from that being a drawback it's its raison d'etre and much the better for it.
It won't suit some, those who seek constant interaction, sophistication and distraction will be disappointed.
As for opportunity, the soporific nature you talk about lends itself excellently to those who are capable of doing better and working harder, bring your foreign perspectives and knowledge, put them to good use and you'll financially succeed, I can't think of an easier country to make money in although every step we take towards living a more 'European' lifestyle erodes the joy and simplicity we appreciate so much.
Yet so many of your people go there. You have a suicide rate disproportionately high in your young men, there's clearly an issue. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LONDON.
Milton Keynes.
That's how I feel about Australia.
It's not dynamic here, not vibrant, hectic or edgy. It's not its way. Far from that being a drawback it's its raison d'etre and much the better for it.
It won't suit some, those who seek constant interaction, sophistication and distraction will be disappointed.
As for opportunity, the soporific nature you talk about lends itself excellently to those who are capable of doing better and working harder, bring your foreign perspectives and knowledge, put them to good use and you'll financially succeed, I can't think of an easier country to make money in although every step we take towards living a more 'European' lifestyle erodes the joy and simplicity we appreciate so much.
Edited by cheddar on Monday 8th April 07:12
Edited by REMF on Monday 8th April 08:02
Omerta said:
What a load of bigoted drivel. I can just imagine what your government counterparts here made of a know it all tt like you.
Well, here's another view on what you perceive as bigoted drivel...t like you.I am a Kiwi & I've lived in the UK for 11 years now. My parents have just arrived in the UK for a 5 week holiday and I just read out the post and a few others.
They agree with the bigoted drivel and they are 100% NZers. But they don't have their rose tinted specs on. They will be leaving NZ when they retire and are very much looking forward to their retirement in Europe.
There's no need to call the fellow Her a know it all tw@t - he's been brutally honest. The truth hurts sometimes.
JumboBeef said:
grand cherokee said:
thinking very seriously about this - in my view this country is on the decline and no sign of it getting any better - Europe/Islamification/EU migrants etc etc
not forgetting Iran/North Korea
anyone here done it?
i'm 59 yrs old - single - and enough money to support myself over there (yes, i know about the investment/maintenance sums)
main attractions - shooting/fishing and 'nature' - can take my Range Rover without import duty and good dealer network - plus they drive on the 'proper' side of the road!
i may retire or may invest in a fishing venture?
good and bad comments appreciated
thanks
You don't need NZ, you need Scotland. Seriously. not forgetting Iran/North Korea
anyone here done it?
i'm 59 yrs old - single - and enough money to support myself over there (yes, i know about the investment/maintenance sums)
main attractions - shooting/fishing and 'nature' - can take my Range Rover without import duty and good dealer network - plus they drive on the 'proper' side of the road!
i may retire or may invest in a fishing venture?
good and bad comments appreciated
thanks
really hateful anti English 'locals' despite me bringing employment and tourists to the area!
REMF by your 'moniker' are you military?
despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
A fellow PHer who's been here 5 minutes and already been accused of trolling on the only other thread he's posted into? You choose your fellows quicker than me mate.
I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
Omerta said:
A fellow PHer who's been here 5 minutes and already been accused of trolling on the only other thread he's posted into? You choose your fellows quicker than me mate.
I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
well saidI'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
certainly not put me off
grand cherokee said:
......i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee.....
.....over and out as got some houses to look at
Hope the property links I posted are useful.the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee.....
.....over and out as got some houses to look at
Don't dismiss your original ideas of Taupo. If you are more keen on the fishing then the warmer waters of the North Island have a good variety of trophy fish.
Fresh water tends to be trout in N.I. and salmon in S.I.
This has a good listing... http://www.fishing.net.nz/index.cfm/PageID/333/Vie...
There is also pheasant, duck, rabbit, hare, goat, pig and deer hunting in the N.I. Taupo is very near both the Kaimanawa and Urewera Ranges.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/huntin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_in_New_Zealan...
grand cherokee said:
REMF by your 'moniker' are you military?
despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
Good luck to you, I really hope it works out for you and that you'll be happy.despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
Omerta said:
A fellow PHer who's been here 5 minutes and already been accused of trolling on the only other thread he's posted into? You choose your fellows quicker than me mate.
I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
I lived there for 2 years. Anyone that throws out wild aspersions and opinions without verifying the basis of that diatribe has credibility issues from my point of view. Lets just agree to disagree.I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
Out.
Atom Johnny said:
Hope the property links I posted are useful.
Don't dismiss your original ideas of Taupo. If you are more keen on the fishing then the warmer waters of the North Island have a good variety of trophy fish.
Fresh water tends to be trout in N.I. and salmon in S.I.
This has a good listing... http://www.fishing.net.nz/index.cfm/PageID/333/Vie...
There is also pheasant, duck, rabbit, hare, goat, pig and deer hunting in the N.I. Taupo is very near both the Kaimanawa and Urewera Ranges.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/huntin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_in_New_Zealan...
Please, do be acutely aware of the way things have gone, and are continuing to go wrt Maori land/air/sea shore/forest/river/water claims. This may well affect you. For example, Lake Taupo has been 'given back' to the Maoris. The Taupo Ironman/Triathlon was being held there and at the 11th hour the tribe that owns said lake said they were going to charge each entrant $ex amount 'entry fee' to the lake. This nearly stuffed the event for hundreds of competitors...Don't dismiss your original ideas of Taupo. If you are more keen on the fishing then the warmer waters of the North Island have a good variety of trophy fish.
Fresh water tends to be trout in N.I. and salmon in S.I.
This has a good listing... http://www.fishing.net.nz/index.cfm/PageID/333/Vie...
There is also pheasant, duck, rabbit, hare, goat, pig and deer hunting in the N.I. Taupo is very near both the Kaimanawa and Urewera Ranges.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/huntin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_in_New_Zealan...
If you're into all things hunting, shooting, fishing, I'd be willing to bet you'll be coming across issues/difficulties with the non-native pre James Cook inhabitants sooner or later.
Caractacus said:
Please, do be acutely aware of the way things have gone, and are continuing to go wrt Maori land/air/sea shore/forest/river/water claims. This may well affect you. For example, Lake Taupo has been 'given back' to the Maoris. The Taupo Ironman/Triathlon was being held there and at the 11th hour the tribe that owns said lake said they were going to charge each entrant $ex amount 'entry fee' to the lake. This nearly stuffed the event for hundreds of competitors...
If you're into all things hunting, shooting, fishing, I'd be willing to bet you'll be coming across issues/difficulties with the non-native pre James Cook inhabitants sooner or later.
Agreed, this is a huge issue becoming bigger by the day. I hsve a friend who is a Kiwi and he is developing land north of Auckland, south of Orewa, the local Iwi come around most weekends sniffing for 'contributions' - he's told them to bugger off thus far but noticed that his car has picked up a few scratches on the flank and pots and others odds and sods on the land have gone missing.If you're into all things hunting, shooting, fishing, I'd be willing to bet you'll be coming across issues/difficulties with the non-native pre James Cook inhabitants sooner or later.
I remember every meeting I had had to be blessed be a Maori chap who'd come in, shout cultural stuff and then leave, the meeting always finished this way too. The best bit was that once he'd gone, everyone would roll their eyes and take the piss out of him. This was a govt dept so I'm quite sure it probably doesn't happen in the NZ private sector but it's this kind of contrived and forced integration that seem to rile a lot of Pakeha Kiwi's and I suspect it's laying the foundations for trouble in the not so distant future. The bit that was odd was no-one could really expain why we were doing it, even the protocol documents assumed one knew why it was being done, govt depts in NZ have a Maori Strategy, and that's cool I guess, but it was all quite over the top when there was business to done.
Even in the dear old British civil service, I can never remember being forced to recite verses of the Koran prior to a meeting!! LOL. Perhaps one day though......
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REMF said:
Yet so many of your people go there.
I have plenty of mates (mostly in the 20-30 age bracket) who've gone overseas (to Aussie, UK, Europe, Canada etc) short or long term, and the majority either want to come back or have already - in fact many of them have said one of the best things about living somewhere else for a while is it made them appreciate how good it is here.I also meet a lot of ex-poms (mostly doctors it seems) in outdoor circles who love it here and have no interest in going back.
TBH your complaints about NZ sound like you spend/spent far too much time listening to the media (who are very negative and generally terrible, I do agree about that) instead of actually getting out and living life. Sure its not perfect, but most of your comments are so far away from reality that its actually quite funny.
grand cherokee said:
certainly not put me off
If the constant negativity of your fellow countrymen is anything to go by I'd guess that the only thing that would put you off coming here would be if they were to join you.I'll admit that the most common derogatory term for Brits is 'whinging or moaning pom'. Reading some of these posts you can see why.
Some people want to make a mountain out of a molehill on every issue for the sake of remaining on their soapbox. Whereas if you follow the advice of "When in Rome..." you'll love it here.
I've lived here for more than 50 years. Never been to UK but if the feedback I've had from UK posters on PH is anything to go by it's colder, damper and more overcrowded, so you can keep it. I didn't like Sydney, LA or San Francisco either. Could not wait to come home. I love what we have here.
As has been said "any place is what you want to make of it". Each to his own, etc. But from the sound of it, for what YOU want, not the naysayers, New Zealand will tick all the boxes.
GravelBen said:
I have plenty of mates (mostly in the 20-30 age bracket) who've gone overseas (to Aussie, UK, Europe, Canada etc) short or long term, and the majority either want to come back or have already - in fact many of them have said one of the best things about living somewhere else for a while is it made them appreciate how good it is here.
I also meet a lot of ex-poms (mostly doctors it seems) in outdoor circles who love it here and have no interest in going back.
TBH your complaints about NZ sound like you spend/spent far too much time listening to the media (who are very negative and generally terrible, I do agree about that) instead of actually getting out and living life. Sure its not perfect, but most of your comments are so far away from reality that its actually quite funny.
I'm not complaining though, I'm observing, it's an important distinction. I actually don't mind the place but found living there infuriating. Outside of Auckland, I met some great people too but most to a person they complain about the cost of living and the changing demographic. I also meet a lot of ex-poms (mostly doctors it seems) in outdoor circles who love it here and have no interest in going back.
TBH your complaints about NZ sound like you spend/spent far too much time listening to the media (who are very negative and generally terrible, I do agree about that) instead of actually getting out and living life. Sure its not perfect, but most of your comments are so far away from reality that its actually quite funny.
And if you want to see what real poverty and deprivation looks like, NZ is a great place to have a butchers, the gap between the haves and have nots is VAST and in your face because of the relatively limited number of population centres. It's a very dysfunctional place.
REMF said:
GravelBen said:
I have plenty of mates (mostly in the 20-30 age bracket) who've gone overseas (to Aussie, UK, Europe, Canada etc) short or long term, and the majority either want to come back or have already - in fact many of them have said one of the best things about living somewhere else for a while is it made them appreciate how good it is here.
I also meet a lot of ex-poms (mostly doctors it seems) in outdoor circles who love it here and have no interest in going back.
TBH your complaints about NZ sound like you spend/spent far too much time listening to the media (who are very negative and generally terrible, I do agree about that) instead of actually getting out and living life. Sure its not perfect, but most of your comments are so far away from reality that its actually quite funny.
I'm not complaining though, I'm observing, it's an important distinction. I actually don't mind the place but found living there infuriating. Outside of Auckland, I met some great people too but most, to a person, complain about the cost of living and the changing demographic. I also meet a lot of ex-poms (mostly doctors it seems) in outdoor circles who love it here and have no interest in going back.
TBH your complaints about NZ sound like you spend/spent far too much time listening to the media (who are very negative and generally terrible, I do agree about that) instead of actually getting out and living life. Sure its not perfect, but most of your comments are so far away from reality that its actually quite funny.
And if you want to see what real poverty and deprivation looks like, NZ is a great place to have a butchers, the gap between the haves and have nots is VAST and in your face because of the relatively limited number of population centres. It's a very dysfunctional place.
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