emmigrating to New Zealand
Discussion
JumboBeef said:
grand cherokee said:
thinking very seriously about this - in my view this country is on the decline and no sign of it getting any better - Europe/Islamification/EU migrants etc etc
not forgetting Iran/North Korea
anyone here done it?
i'm 59 yrs old - single - and enough money to support myself over there (yes, i know about the investment/maintenance sums)
main attractions - shooting/fishing and 'nature' - can take my Range Rover without import duty and good dealer network - plus they drive on the 'proper' side of the road!
i may retire or may invest in a fishing venture?
good and bad comments appreciated
thanks
You don't need NZ, you need Scotland. Seriously. not forgetting Iran/North Korea
anyone here done it?
i'm 59 yrs old - single - and enough money to support myself over there (yes, i know about the investment/maintenance sums)
main attractions - shooting/fishing and 'nature' - can take my Range Rover without import duty and good dealer network - plus they drive on the 'proper' side of the road!
i may retire or may invest in a fishing venture?
good and bad comments appreciated
thanks
really hateful anti English 'locals' despite me bringing employment and tourists to the area!
REMF by your 'moniker' are you military?
despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
despite your neg comments i'm actively looking now for a property in Otago
the hunting/shooting/fishing is exactly what i want for my lifestyle
i don't want designer bars/'fancy' restaurants - had enough of them over the years in the UK and overseas
a barbi with fresh meat/seafood and beer/wine fits me to a tee
ex pat brits are amonst the worst the world over - ever complaining (whinging pom?) - every place is how YOU make it
over and out as got some houses to look at
Omerta said:
A fellow PHer who's been here 5 minutes and already been accused of trolling on the only other thread he's posted into? You choose your fellows quicker than me mate.
I'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
well saidI'm more than willing to recognise the issues we face in NZ, and have lived several years in the UK and Luxembourg to qualify having an opinion about alternatives.
The real truth is that there's good and bad everywhere, and that includes here and the UK. Anyone who can only think up a long stream of eloquently put vitriol about NZ (or anywhere else) based on one work trip has credibility issues for me.
certainly not put me off
REMF said:
Well, I'm back in NZ this week and my irritation with the place remains.
That MP telling a minimum wage waiter to carry on serving him because 'don't you know who I am?' - the Mighty River Power debacle, the inability of the SFO to charge corporate fraudsters, yet another idiot All Black assaulting someone and everyone feeling sorry for him rather than his victim, the Christchurch nutter who murdered his ex's daughter to scare her out of NZ (couldn't believe that one when I read the court transcript), the fact that there are still people weeing in buckets in ChCh etc.
People may argue that this sort of thing goes on everywhere, and that might be true, but it's the size of NZ in relation to these things that bothers me, the problems are disproportionately bigger than I can get my head around. You can be isolated to a certain extent from this sort of nonsense in a bigger country but in NZ it 'feels' up close and personal and that makes me very uncomfortable.
I work with Kiwis and talking to them outside of work, I get the impression that even guys earning $120000 a year are never more than one pay cheque away from financial disaster because even public servants have no real employment protections, much less some poor sod on a minimum wage and the cost of buying a place to live is just silly in the population centres. It's horribly expensive too, how do people manage? I go to some fabulous looking houses but they're made out of cardboard but they still cost a million bucks. I bought some milk, cheese and bread the other day and had 10c change out of $20, this is a diary producing country FFS, it's cheaper to buy NZ lamb back in Blighty.
While it might not solve people's problems, due to the expense there too, I can understand why people leave NZ for Aus. The Aussies have been very canny, when the minerals bubble bursts in Aus, ensuring that hundreds of thousands of unemployed Kiwis can't claim benefit is starting to look like a very good piece of fiscal policy.
It could be so good here but the top 2% of movers and shakers are ripping the arse out of the place, it's plain daft.
as an architect - retired, your comment about houses made of cardboard is quite simply ludicrous! - end of!That MP telling a minimum wage waiter to carry on serving him because 'don't you know who I am?' - the Mighty River Power debacle, the inability of the SFO to charge corporate fraudsters, yet another idiot All Black assaulting someone and everyone feeling sorry for him rather than his victim, the Christchurch nutter who murdered his ex's daughter to scare her out of NZ (couldn't believe that one when I read the court transcript), the fact that there are still people weeing in buckets in ChCh etc.
People may argue that this sort of thing goes on everywhere, and that might be true, but it's the size of NZ in relation to these things that bothers me, the problems are disproportionately bigger than I can get my head around. You can be isolated to a certain extent from this sort of nonsense in a bigger country but in NZ it 'feels' up close and personal and that makes me very uncomfortable.
I work with Kiwis and talking to them outside of work, I get the impression that even guys earning $120000 a year are never more than one pay cheque away from financial disaster because even public servants have no real employment protections, much less some poor sod on a minimum wage and the cost of buying a place to live is just silly in the population centres. It's horribly expensive too, how do people manage? I go to some fabulous looking houses but they're made out of cardboard but they still cost a million bucks. I bought some milk, cheese and bread the other day and had 10c change out of $20, this is a diary producing country FFS, it's cheaper to buy NZ lamb back in Blighty.
While it might not solve people's problems, due to the expense there too, I can understand why people leave NZ for Aus. The Aussies have been very canny, when the minerals bubble bursts in Aus, ensuring that hundreds of thousands of unemployed Kiwis can't claim benefit is starting to look like a very good piece of fiscal policy.
It could be so good here but the top 2% of movers and shakers are ripping the arse out of the place, it's plain daft.
Edited by REMF on Saturday 4th May 22:09
REMF said:
What!
Leaky homes, no heating, crappy build quality, gaps, poor quality materials, condensation, mould, damp, so on and so forth!
Why would anyone take a mortgage on something that doesn't look like it'll last the term of the mortgage is beyond me!
http://www.escapenz.com/articles-of-interest/list-...
you just described UK building standards - lol!!Leaky homes, no heating, crappy build quality, gaps, poor quality materials, condensation, mould, damp, so on and so forth!
Why would anyone take a mortgage on something that doesn't look like it'll last the term of the mortgage is beyond me!
http://www.escapenz.com/articles-of-interest/list-...
the UK is obsessed with 'bricks and mortar' - technology does move on but the UK lags miles behind
as said i'm retired as an architect - but my father is also retired MD of a large building company so I know the UK building trade rather too well
I've also worked in Cyprus/Botswana/Saudi/Seychelles etc
in my opinion UK house design is some of the worst in the world - poor attempts to try and hark back to classical design of say Georgian etc
and the UK obsession with front and rear gardens and the obsession with fences and walls to define your territorial little 'plot'
more I read from you makes me more convinced that relocation to NZ is exactly 'what the doctor ordered'!
lestag said:
No he doesn't. The british housing stock is just as s
te and for Britain it was about 1950's to about 2000
I can post a link to negative ste just like REMF can
http://www.building.co.uk/analysis/a-typical-guzzl...
The ten reasons to escape NZ could just as well be rewritten to escape any country.
Leaky homes tend to be down to builders relying on hardie-type products and sealant "guaranteed for 50 years", crap builders.
Some would call it snake oil bound to fail.
http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/jame...
Yes insulation is missing in the old housing stock ( I have a 70's rental and it is built fine) the house I live in was built (for us) in 2004 and is built just fine, not one issue.
I agree anyone looking to buy a house should look really closely as to how it was built, but hey I would do that in any country.
well saidte and for Britain it was about 1950's to about 2000I can post a link to negative s
te just like REMF canhttp://www.building.co.uk/analysis/a-typical-guzzl...
The ten reasons to escape NZ could just as well be rewritten to escape any country.
Leaky homes tend to be down to builders relying on hardie-type products and sealant "guaranteed for 50 years", crap builders.
Some would call it snake oil bound to fail.
http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/jame...
Yes insulation is missing in the old housing stock ( I have a 70's rental and it is built fine) the house I live in was built (for us) in 2004 and is built just fine, not one issue.
I agree anyone looking to buy a house should look really closely as to how it was built, but hey I would do that in any country.
if UK houses are so great why the multitude of 'repair/modernise' tv programmes?
post war development has a lot to answer for inc 'tower blocks' the biggest social blight ever inflicted on the UK by Govt/Local Authorities and architects
I like timber houses - ie log cabins - great in terms of insulation/fire etc
also love the rustic charms - I hate the sterile minimalistic 'modern' look especially as used in warehouse refurbs in London
but I adore 'shabby chic' - random furniture from no particular era/style
and nobody in the world does 'shabby chic' better than the English 'upper class' - it comes naturally, not by design
Edited by grand cherokee on Tuesday 14th May 11:54
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