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chriz1 said:
scared him off!
Nah! He's just confused into why his post has generated so much traffic..and why everyone that's contributed has got hot under the collar whether in the positive or negative.Get the orange one!...No! hang on...the blue one...christ on a bike...Decisions...decisions.
Edited by Apex clipper on Friday 16th November 18:47
i have also owned both these cars. the rs was amazing in its time but build wise and interior wise no comparison. both great cars but the st has the 5pot noise the rs cant match. for everyday driving it is the better car. on the track if tight and twisty the rs is better (mainly due to the brembos harder suspension and lsd) but on a 9 minute track like the nurburgring the st is the winner. only 5000 rs`s is nice but they are a bit old now and they will end up costing you money. when i had my rs every1 loved it, but its paved way for a more subtle better built less track orientated and more grown up car. both great cars, but everyday the st (with leather) is better and also better than most cars twice its price.
used car roadshow? hahaha with that fat bloke selling idiots people carriers. hahaha. rs best hot hatch 2007? its 4 years old so no its not best hot hatch of 2007. probably some crappy mini.... and to the bloke who said it handled like it was on rails, no, no it didnt . no, at the limit u get understeer oversteer everysteer just as u do on any front drive car depending on what pedal adjustments u give it, only a 4 wheel drive car can really handle like its on rails, and certainly not my mates evo fq360, maybe something more like a a3 quattro with 150bhp. handling like its on rails it piss boring anyway. and tyres? i got rid of the michelins on the rs after 7000 miles and the contis on the st lasted the same. and michelins are meant to last longer ask any tyre shop. and fuel bills really are negligable, almost zero difference.
I've driven both, and own an RS.
My 2 pence worth....!!
Standard for standard, there is little difference between the RS and ST.
I like both cars, but chose the RS for a number of reasons.
Firstly, it looks really good, and is a rare vehicle. I hardly ever see another when driving around and, shallow though it might be, I like the exclusivity.
It is extremely quick, and with approx £1k spent on light engine mods, sees some massive power gains and improvements on the noise.
I find the RS comfortable too - not sure why people say it isn't!? Compared to my clio 182 I had before, it is much more refined! Hard ride, yes, but I hate wallowy cars.
The ST is a lovely car, and I nearly bought one... the negatives? I didn't like the nose heavy handling, and the RS 'feels' faster (even though it's probably driving sensation rather than genuine speed).
The values of the ST's are dropping, and it won't be dubbed a 'modern classic' in my opinion. The RS' should, in theory, keep their value.
The negatives of RS ownership??
-Fuel economy is horrendous (18mpg common for me, even though I 'enjoy' the car)
-Parts are expensive (chargecooler pumps being my favourite 'RS tax' item)
-Unfortunately some of the scroates in their nova's give the car admiring looks and will always try it on
-It's a 4-5 year old car, and (as with any) they have issues due to age and mileage, albeit nothing major
I've always loved the RS, ever since it came out - and I wouldn't change it for another hot hatch.
At the end of the day, you should drive both - If you're in the W Sussex / Brighton area I'm happy to take you out in mine.
Oh - final thing - the RSOC are a top bunch and there is a real community spirit on the forum. You're never stuck if you have a problem!!
Rob
My 2 pence worth....!!
Standard for standard, there is little difference between the RS and ST.
I like both cars, but chose the RS for a number of reasons.
Firstly, it looks really good, and is a rare vehicle. I hardly ever see another when driving around and, shallow though it might be, I like the exclusivity.
It is extremely quick, and with approx £1k spent on light engine mods, sees some massive power gains and improvements on the noise.
I find the RS comfortable too - not sure why people say it isn't!? Compared to my clio 182 I had before, it is much more refined! Hard ride, yes, but I hate wallowy cars.
The ST is a lovely car, and I nearly bought one... the negatives? I didn't like the nose heavy handling, and the RS 'feels' faster (even though it's probably driving sensation rather than genuine speed).
The values of the ST's are dropping, and it won't be dubbed a 'modern classic' in my opinion. The RS' should, in theory, keep their value.
The negatives of RS ownership??
-Fuel economy is horrendous (18mpg common for me, even though I 'enjoy' the car)
-Parts are expensive (chargecooler pumps being my favourite 'RS tax' item)
-Unfortunately some of the scroates in their nova's give the car admiring looks and will always try it on
-It's a 4-5 year old car, and (as with any) they have issues due to age and mileage, albeit nothing major
I've always loved the RS, ever since it came out - and I wouldn't change it for another hot hatch.
At the end of the day, you should drive both - If you're in the W Sussex / Brighton area I'm happy to take you out in mine.
Oh - final thing - the RSOC are a top bunch and there is a real community spirit on the forum. You're never stuck if you have a problem!!
Rob
vino187 said:
its 4 years old so no its not best hot hatch of 2007. probably some crappy mini....
Still the hot hatch that every car maker aspires to match or better and to this day the only real contender is a DC2!vino187 said:
and to the bloke who said it handled like it was on rails, no, no it didnt . no, at the limit u get understeer oversteer everysteer just as u do on any front drive car depending on what pedal adjustments u give it, only a 4 wheel drive car can really handle like its on rails, and certainly not my mates evo fq360
You really do need to get out more, in particular in a Focus RS round a track (or road), you'll then return to your dinner table and proceed to eat your words!One of the most underestimated cars of the "hothatch" category, yet one that all manufacturers would still love to emulate, (VXR tried/failed) the ST is great but in the words of Ford themselves, the ST is the Dolphin, the RS is the Shark!
Edited by Shins on Friday 16th November 23:35
chriz1 said:
ST is just a Focus with a bigger engine,the RS a purpose built rally car for the road
and bigger brakes and recaro seats and different dash and 18 inch alloys and different body kit and bigger engine and different suspension, headlights etc etc and all done by team rs. clever guy aint ya.Still the hot hatch that every car maker aspires to match or better and to this day the only real contender is a DC2!
You really do need to get out more, in particular in a Focus RS round a track (or road), you'll then return to your dinner table and proceed to eat your words!
One of the most underestimated cars of the "hothatch" category, yet one that all manufacturers would still love to emulate, (VXR tried/failed) the ST is great but in the words of Ford themselves, the ST is the Dolphin, the RS is the Shark!
Edited by Shins on Friday 16th November 23:35
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ive owned both clever boy.. have you? and no all manufacturers arent trying to make cars like dc2`s otherwise maybe they`d be something slightly like them. their are trying to make better cars that are more comfortable and can be driven everyday and u dont look like a skint moron driving.
and on depreciation: an st with no leather new was about £17500 and now with 25000 miles and 2 years old u`ll be lucky to get 1 for much less than £15000. thats not bad at all. and they didnt make shit loads theyve stopped now until the facelift (ugly) and only made 3 times as many as the rs. the 5 door 1`s will be less sought after as will the shit colour ones. so a good colour 3door isnt going to lose a hell of a lot. have a look for yourself and the cheap ones are 5doors usually in red.
Edited by vino187 on Saturday 17th November 13:03
Edited by vino187 on Saturday 17th November 13:04
Edited by vino187 on Saturday 17th November 13:16
and bigger brakes and recaro seats and different dash and 18 inch alloys and different body kit and bigger engine and different suspension, headlights etc etc and all done by team rs. clever guy aint ya.
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Yeah,so are the Boy Racers cars in Mcdonalds does that make them any better!
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Yeah,so are the Boy Racers cars in Mcdonalds does that make them any better!
Two children arguing about the ST & RS. Just the sort of image we want for our cars...
On the "future classic" subject I reckon the RS will stand the test of time and be bought/used by enthusiasts for years to come whereas in 3/4 years time the ST is destined for Maccy D's burnouts by the XR3i Max Power cru who can finally afford to trade up.
I'll certainly be getting rid of mine long before then.
On the "future classic" subject I reckon the RS will stand the test of time and be bought/used by enthusiasts for years to come whereas in 3/4 years time the ST is destined for Maccy D's burnouts by the XR3i Max Power cru who can finally afford to trade up.
I'll certainly be getting rid of mine long before then.
thekirbyfake said:
Apex clipper said:
everyone that's contributed has got hot under the collar
Really?One of the least confrontational RS/ST threads I've seen in a long time.
Confrontational??? Nay! Banter..they're both Fords, you pays yer money..etc,etc.
chriz1 said:
and bigger brakes and recaro seats and different dash and 18 inch alloys and different body kit and bigger engine and different suspension, headlights etc etc and all done by team rs. clever guy aint ya.
Yeah,so are the Boy Racers cars in Mcdonalds does that make them any better!thekirbyfake said:
Two children arguing about the ST & RS. Just the sort of image we want for our cars...
On the "future classic" subject I reckon the RS will stand the test of time and be bought/used by enthusiasts for years to come whereas in 3/4 years time the ST is destined for Maccy D's burnouts by the XR3i Max Power cru who can finally afford to trade up.
I'll certainly be getting rid of mine long before then.
somehow i thing the bright blue interior and push button start, oz alloys, and the fact that all these cars have had huge jap exhaust put on probably means they are far more boy racery than the st`s i see men in suits in everyday, some with five doors and in grey and silver. anyway what sort of maccyd`s do u goto that they do that in? never encountered that, maybe i never go there late enough. look at the focus rs on ebay with bits sprayed white and allsorts of tat stuck on, i havent encountered an st modified in such a manner. its a matter of class.On the "future classic" subject I reckon the RS will stand the test of time and be bought/used by enthusiasts for years to come whereas in 3/4 years time the ST is destined for Maccy D's burnouts by the XR3i Max Power cru who can finally afford to trade up.
I'll certainly be getting rid of mine long before then.
vino187 said:
:J: said:
vino187 said:
only a 4 wheel drive car can really handle like its on rails.
Ask Kimi & Lewis whether they prefer their Sunday wheels or an Audi 1.9TDi quattro
If I were you, I'd ask for my first big book of physics for Chrimbo!
D1MAC said:
vino187 said:
:J: said:
vino187 said:
only a 4 wheel drive car can really handle like its on rails.
Ask Kimi & Lewis whether they prefer their Sunday wheels or an Audi 1.9TDi quattro
If I were you, I'd ask for my first big book of physics for Chrimbo!
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