RE: TVR Confirms 'Vette Power For New Roadster
Discussion
DJC said:
Hi Dar, how are you? All well and good I hope 
I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic f
king Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
Great post I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic f
king Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
Wat next? German build quality?clunk click said:
To throw a little more light on the German / AC link which if the rumour of tie-in with Smolenski comes true would sense.
Firstly Gullwing are no longer building replicas of the classic M-B 300SL and are concentrating all their efforts in AC MkVI (aka Cobra) and are AC Cars Germany
At the Goodwood FS they will be showing a right drive MkVI.
The AC MkVI shown at Geneva last March was different to the MkVI car shown to motoring press in the summer of last year.
In earlier threads today reference was made to Alan Lubunsky of AC Cars and the Malta connection please treat this as history. Much as moved on from those reports and they are out of date.
Here are some key facts on the German company and the MkVI:
• AC Cars Germany based in Heyda, Germany is owned by the Mohr family. Mr A Lubinsky is not a shareholder. The Mohr family made their money in the manufacturing of car components, a business which it has now sold. To date some €3 million has been invested in the AC car programme.
• Mr Lubinsky has licensed AC Cars Germany; the details of licensing agreement are of course confidential.
• In-house moulded body.
• In-house built chassis with push rod suspension and adjustable anti roll bar.
• V8, 6.2 litre engine, differential, 6-speed gearbox and brakes are from GM. The idea is to make parts more accessible.
• Price €84,000 / £74,000 + VAT. No plans to sell in USA.
• Dealer network already in place in France, Switzerland and Luxemburg. UK dealer announcement within 3 months.
I have meet and spend time with Jürgen Mohr, the CEO of AC Cars Germany and the above points are taken from that conversation.
Rather than making all these wild cat suggestions why not pick-up the phone and talk to people in know, or even wait a couple of months and go to Goodwood and ask face-to-face.
So you can see that such a tie-in makes commerical sense.
As an AC owner, and ex TVR owner, sure I would love the car to be made in the UK, but I'm more than happy the name will continue. There is still alot of UK involvement as well.
Terry
sorry lovely as all of that is, it seems to be an AC in name only for 74k+vat i'll take an all ali kirkham anydayFirstly Gullwing are no longer building replicas of the classic M-B 300SL and are concentrating all their efforts in AC MkVI (aka Cobra) and are AC Cars Germany
At the Goodwood FS they will be showing a right drive MkVI.
The AC MkVI shown at Geneva last March was different to the MkVI car shown to motoring press in the summer of last year.
In earlier threads today reference was made to Alan Lubunsky of AC Cars and the Malta connection please treat this as history. Much as moved on from those reports and they are out of date.
Here are some key facts on the German company and the MkVI:
• AC Cars Germany based in Heyda, Germany is owned by the Mohr family. Mr A Lubinsky is not a shareholder. The Mohr family made their money in the manufacturing of car components, a business which it has now sold. To date some €3 million has been invested in the AC car programme.
• Mr Lubinsky has licensed AC Cars Germany; the details of licensing agreement are of course confidential.
• In-house moulded body.
• In-house built chassis with push rod suspension and adjustable anti roll bar.
• V8, 6.2 litre engine, differential, 6-speed gearbox and brakes are from GM. The idea is to make parts more accessible.
• Price €84,000 / £74,000 + VAT. No plans to sell in USA.
• Dealer network already in place in France, Switzerland and Luxemburg. UK dealer announcement within 3 months.
I have meet and spend time with Jürgen Mohr, the CEO of AC Cars Germany and the above points are taken from that conversation.
Rather than making all these wild cat suggestions why not pick-up the phone and talk to people in know, or even wait a couple of months and go to Goodwood and ask face-to-face.
So you can see that such a tie-in makes commerical sense.
As an AC owner, and ex TVR owner, sure I would love the car to be made in the UK, but I'm more than happy the name will continue. There is still alot of UK involvement as well.
Terry
an AC built in germany with a plastic body, gm engine and gearbox is as much an ac cobra as a tvr built in germany with an american engine, unless that was the point....
My God People !!!
I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
Like lots of you, i'm a big TVR fan. I still feel sad over their recent history. Days like Sunday at Chatsworth make me happy to see the cars, but sad as well that they're no longer around as a company.
That there may be something, anything, in the pipeline, be it Russian owned, German assembled, American powered, has got to be good news.
Just to have something new, TVR related around again, will be good for me
That there may be something, anything, in the pipeline, be it Russian owned, German assembled, American powered, has got to be good news.
Just to have something new, TVR related around again, will be good for me
bakerjuk said:
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
See you miss the point just as much as the Russian does. Without the Britishness TVR is just another bitsa with a badge. Being British is part of what made it and a lot of what made people want to buy it. The reasons why TVR went down the plughole had nothing to do with being British and everything to do with incompetence.Plenty of people who bought them "when it mattered" wouldn't buy what is proposed here from the people who propose it, me included (2 new and one nearly new TVR purchased 2003-2006).
bakerjuk said:
My God People !!!
I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
Oh the irony of you telling people to get down from their soap boxes as you shout from your own one on a chat forum originally built-up by TVR owners, hundreds of whom bought the very cars you're saying we didn't buy! 
bakerjuk said:
My God People !!!
I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
Nonsense. Where was TVR's main market? Who bought them in the first place? Yanks? Russians? Germans? Oh, that's right, it was the Brits, many of whom post on here.I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
Being British took TVR from nothing to become something we all care about. Now, that is being comprehansively trashed. The fact that the cars were hairy ar*ed was great, but people took real pride in the fact that they were a British marque.
Now that's not going to exist. So what are you left with?
Legends never die, they say. Sadly, the legend that is TVR may just have done so.
I love my TVR. It's mad, completely liable to break down or have something drop off it at any time, costs me a fortune to run, but when I drive it, I feel like the King of the Road. For sheer driving thrill, performance and idiosyncratic luxury, there's nothing that comes close.
And it was designed and made by a bunch of nutters from Blackpool who didn't give a fig for convention and just built mad, hairy arsed cars for people who loved driving. And they were British, defending our roads from Porkers like the last few Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.
And now, some Russian rich boy wants to make them in Germany of all places. If Peter Wheeler hadn't been cremated, the whirr of him spinning in his grave would have been heard all over the North.
Sorry, Mr Smolenski. Putting a Corvette engine in your car may be eminently sensible (perhaps what TVR should have done 10 years ago when the Rover engine was phased out). But don't pretend it's a TVR. German built, American engines; it may be a great car. But NOT a TVR.
RIP TVR.
I love my TVR. It's mad, completely liable to break down or have something drop off it at any time, costs me a fortune to run, but when I drive it, I feel like the King of the Road. For sheer driving thrill, performance and idiosyncratic luxury, there's nothing that comes close.
And it was designed and made by a bunch of nutters from Blackpool who didn't give a fig for convention and just built mad, hairy arsed cars for people who loved driving. And they were British, defending our roads from Porkers like the last few Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.
And now, some Russian rich boy wants to make them in Germany of all places. If Peter Wheeler hadn't been cremated, the whirr of him spinning in his grave would have been heard all over the North.
Sorry, Mr Smolenski. Putting a Corvette engine in your car may be eminently sensible (perhaps what TVR should have done 10 years ago when the Rover engine was phased out). But don't pretend it's a TVR. German built, American engines; it may be a great car. But NOT a TVR.
RIP TVR.
DJC said:
Hi Dar, how are you? All well and good I hope
I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic fking Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
Didn't quite get all that from our various conversations! That almost brought a tear to my eye... I loved my Griff and Sag. The day I picked the Sag up will remain one of the proudest and most memorable in my life. TVR wasnt about making hairy arsed cars for me, it was my *home* making something that was famous worldwide and demanded respect from every other motor out there. It wasnt just knocked up by blokes in a shed, it was knocked up by blokes I knew, in a shed that was round the corner from my football club. There is a whole load of sentimental value locked up in that that probably is irrelevent to most other folks or doesnt make sense to everybody else, but to me...it means damn near the world. I have a massive amount of pride in my town, but 95% of the talk about the place is taking the piss. TVR represented us on the big stage though and in the Sagaris produced a motor that for pure all round ability could go toe to toe with any other damn thing out there and only just come up short against the then daddy of the lot the 996tt. So Im amazingly and stupidly proud that as a local boy in difficult times for the company I put my hand in my pocket and handed over my cash to buy the Sag. It was and remains an amazing feeling and memory for me. Its a Maranello boy being able to buy his ferrari straight from the factory. Its shearer returning back to the toon and slotting his first goal for them. Its absolutely ridiculous and I cannot logically defend all that crap but its hardwired and stamped into my DNA.
Nic f
king Smolenski and his various ...endeavours...are just continued kicks. Hes taken something from the soul of my town and now he flaunts it around the world like a cheap tart on soovys lap. For that I will never forgive him.
It's good to be impassioned about things. It's your sheer love for your car that set me about my own TVR mission.I guess, personally what TVR means to me is a combination of things. An (compratively) affordable supercar, a unique identity, eccentricty and beauty of design and giant performance all rolled into one, and comparable to things that cost at least twice as much.
I can see how a lot of people don't like the idea of the marque leaving it's roots, but as some people have pointed out that's not exactly pedigreed all the way. Then again, as someone who wasn't born in the same town let alone the same continent, I'll be the last to question an emotional response. It's a superb marque and I absolutely love it.
For me, some TVR will always be better than no TVR at all.
Oh, and for the record NS is a peeness. And like a good lawyer, I'll believe it when I see it!
Edited by AdvocatusD on Wednesday 28th April 21:38
mikEsprit said:
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
1. It's not a glorified kit car. 2. It looks better than a vette. 3. It will be faster than a vette. 4. It will be far less common than a vette.Sure, a lot (most) will take your stance, but TVR doesn't need all that many people to take my stance to be successful.
The Septic is right. The yanks are more jingoistic than we are. I'm sure there is a market but I can't see it being an impressive one. Just a handful of guys with just enough money and just to few wits to realise they aren't buying something handcrafted by strange but quaint English Hobits.
Don't know why NS doesn't just build chassis and bodies and sell them engineless so people can buy them cheap and stick whatever lump they want, from a 2L knackered sierra engine up to big v8. That might just be a profitable business.
RichB said:
davidf4 said:
The British soul of the TVR sound was originally courtesy of the Coventry Climax and other 4 pot motors from BMC and Ford.
Granted, in Supercharged guise.
I didn't realise TVR supercharged many/any? of their cars? Granted, in Supercharged guise.
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