RE: TVR Confirms 'Vette Power For New Roadster
Discussion
IF.... 'German' TVR's prove to be infinitely better than anything Blighty mustered up, would the purists admit as much? Merely looking at the Gullwing MB 300-SL and AC Cobra replica photos, quality should be much improved. Who knows, in a few years people may consider the Smolenski TVR as a valid and worthy alternative to traditional reliable german sports cars.
Hellbound said:
IF.... 'German' TVR's prove to be infinitely better than anything Blighty mustered up, would the purists admit as much? Merely looking at the Gullwing MB 300-SL and AC Cobra replica photos, quality should be much improved. Who knows, in a few years people may consider the Smolenski TVR as a valid and worthy alternative to traditional reliable german sports cars.
Maybe but they may as well call it an 'ABC' or 'XYZ' because it will have no bearing or relationship with what made TVR have such a cult following in the first place.Personally, I think the bubble's burst for me with all the TVR hype and speculation.
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
Typical Septic... makes me chuckle because quite frankly I couldn't give a toss if its a success in America or not.Corvettes are ugly imo, but again it appears that another american feels that for any car to be a success or anything to be a success for that matter it must make it in America... what tosh...
Who cares about sales in America? its not about that. Get over yourselves... jees your ike a bunch of egotistical teenagers.
Why has this generated so much fuss....again. The current owner of TVR only grew his first pubic hair last year. He's been telling his mates in the playground what big ideas he's got for way too long now. His dad is probably much harder than mine. He either needs to f-off back around the bike sheds or produce something from the ambers of a once great company. Because I can't resist it; If he believes that a plastic body with reasonable styling and an LS engine is a good idea, why doesn't he buy a Corvette. I would if I had the choice of something proven as apposed to a spending a single quid with that timewaster.
I love TVRs, I love everything about them, the pure pleasure from driving them is awesome. I dont see why the ruskie hasnt produced a car yet. Instead of a crate engine why not get one of the current companies that do s6 engines (racing green, st8six ect) to supply them along with the warranty on them. Use something like sparco seats and get a company to supply the interior, (maybe even sub out the chassis and moulding work)then get these components delivered and just assemble them somewhere. That way you wouldnt need to carry much stock, the wage bill will be lower and theres cars in the market. The main focus needs to be on reliability and build quality, if those things improved it would greatly widen the market of people to sell them to.
Looking round the chatsworth show maybe some ideas from the cars there could be incorporated into production cars, like the tuscan bonnet that opens on a hinge, supercharged engines, a sag convetable.
Please mr s just produce a car, then people might give you a bit more respect and not think your such a clown. TALK - ACTION = 0
Looking round the chatsworth show maybe some ideas from the cars there could be incorporated into production cars, like the tuscan bonnet that opens on a hinge, supercharged engines, a sag convetable.
Please mr s just produce a car, then people might give you a bit more respect and not think your such a clown. TALK - ACTION = 0
Also, what does he own? The only car he still owms design right for is the Sagaris and that runs out in less than three years. Other than that, his 30m investment (15M plus paying rent on buildings, paying 300 people to watch TV etc) has bought him three letters (TVR). Those three letters are now worth jack s
te thanks to his stupidity.
Dereck Smith is right, TVR was alive and well when sold to the Russian. Alright, it needed mending with fresh money and a new direction but that's the dream that Dick Smolensky sold to PW.
Plus, based on who I know he has been employing as a so called stylist, I'm willing to bet my life that whatever he produces next can't match or live upto the expectations we have become used to from TVR proir to 2004.
Appologies for any spelling mistakes.
te thanks to his stupidity.Dereck Smith is right, TVR was alive and well when sold to the Russian. Alright, it needed mending with fresh money and a new direction but that's the dream that Dick Smolensky sold to PW.
Plus, based on who I know he has been employing as a so called stylist, I'm willing to bet my life that whatever he produces next can't match or live upto the expectations we have become used to from TVR proir to 2004.
Appologies for any spelling mistakes.
If BMW revived a British marque like Healey, or that Chinese concern started making the MG-F again, would it still be a great British sports car? The caveat being that they were built in Germany / China (respectively) and had nothing to do with Britain until the moment they were imported to these shores.
I guess some people will say the MG is as it is an ex-Longbridge model but Healey have been dead long enough that it isn't.
What about Bugatti? Is that still French?
Lamborghini is probably still Italian as they are still build in Sant'Agata.
Is Seat still Spanish?
Is Škoda still Czechoslovakian?
Are Saab and Volvo still Swedish?
Difficult one to call. I'd say Weissmann is as British as TVR right now. ie. not at all.
I guess some people will say the MG is as it is an ex-Longbridge model but Healey have been dead long enough that it isn't.
What about Bugatti? Is that still French?
Lamborghini is probably still Italian as they are still build in Sant'Agata.
Is Seat still Spanish?
Is Škoda still Czechoslovakian?
Are Saab and Volvo still Swedish?
Difficult one to call. I'd say Weissmann is as British as TVR right now. ie. not at all.
Edited by JonRB on Thursday 29th April 00:52
m0ssy said:
gentelman said:
As an American, why would I want to buy a tubeframed fiberglass-bodied glorified kit car with a corvette engine that, inevitably will cost more than an actual corvette. I don't even like corvettes, but I'm pretty sure Americans who do will just buy an actual one instead of some strange "foreign" car with questionable pedigree that just happens to use the same engine. This sounds like a huge gamble on the company calling itself TVR's part that is destined to fail. Make that FAIL.
Typical Septic... makes me chuckle because quite frankly I couldn't give a toss if its a success in America or not.Corvettes are ugly imo, but again it appears that another american feels that for any car to be a success or anything to be a success for that matter it must make it in America... what tosh...
Who cares about sales in America? its not about that. Get over yourselves... jees your ike a bunch of egotistical teenagers.
NS really has screwed TVR over 
, With just a Vette engine it will be nothing more than any other small volume sports car manufacturer. The TVR V8 and speed 6 were very unigue to TVR and impressive performers. Look at the way the Marcos revival went, the only reason someone bolts a chevy V8 into somthing is because they are cheap.
, With just a Vette engine it will be nothing more than any other small volume sports car manufacturer. The TVR V8 and speed 6 were very unigue to TVR and impressive performers. Look at the way the Marcos revival went, the only reason someone bolts a chevy V8 into somthing is because they are cheap.
JonRB said:
If BMW revived a British marque like Healey, or that Chinese concern started making the MG-F again, would it still be a great British sports car? The caveat being that they were built in Germany / China (respectively) and had nothing to do with Britain until the moment they were imported to these shores.
I guess some people will say the MG is as it is an ex-Longbridge model but Healey have been dead long enough that it isn't.
What about Bugatti? Is that still French?
Lamborghini is probably still Italian as they are still build in Sant'Agata.
Is Seat still Spanish?
Is Škoda still Czechoslovakian?
Are Saab and Volvo still Swedish?
Difficult one to call. I'd say Weissmann is as British as TVR right now. ie. not at all.
Does that mean VW is british as we restarted the factory after the war
I guess some people will say the MG is as it is an ex-Longbridge model but Healey have been dead long enough that it isn't.
What about Bugatti? Is that still French?
Lamborghini is probably still Italian as they are still build in Sant'Agata.
Is Seat still Spanish?
Is Škoda still Czechoslovakian?
Are Saab and Volvo still Swedish?
Difficult one to call. I'd say Weissmann is as British as TVR right now. ie. not at all.
Does that mean VW is british as we restarted the factory after the war
Edited by JonRB on Thursday 29th April 00:52
bakerjuk said:
My God People !!!
I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
heavily +1I think you would all moan if TVR turned round and gave you £10k in cash, as "thats not very British" .. Clearly moaning about something you have no real clue about is "very British"
And anyway, why you seem to give two hoots about its Britishness is beyond me.. You have no idea if they are going to change the setup of the car so why dont you all get off your soap boxes and be happy that the TVR brand is not dead and burried, and maybe reserve your olfactory judgement until you have the details.
Being British has clearly got TVR nowhere. If you had really cared you should have bought one when it mattered.
the moaners always say NS "doesn't get it". If he does what he is reportedly doing, and sells a few TVRs in lots of countries, then clearly this could do a lot better than selling only in UK to those who have decided they hate him and will never line his pockets again. Why would he even bother trying to sell to you lot exactly if this is what he is up against? He didn't buy TVR for heritage, posterity, or any of that other stuff that doesn't make money - he bought it as a business to make money. Maybe you lot are the ones who don't get it.
Blown2CV said:
the moaners always say NS "doesn't get it". If he does what he is reportedly doing, and sells a few TVRs in lots of countries, then clearly this could do a lot better than selling only in UK to those who have decided they hate him and will never line his pockets again. Why would he even bother trying to sell to you lot exactly if this is what he is up against? He didn't buy TVR for heritage, posterity, or any of that other stuff that doesn't make money - he bought it as a business to make money. Maybe you lot are the ones who don't get it.
NS knows exactly what he's doing. He had a factory producing a big boys toy in a short term declining market for his product. He could either keep TVR making cars during the recession and loose a bucket load more cash or close it down and restructure it for when times are better. Perhaps the time has now come with a slightly better world wide economy to start orchestrating its come back. I think NS always wanted to make a supercar on parallel with Ferrari and Lamborghini and thought TVR had the right framework to start from.
I agree with how NS has tackled TVR during the economic meltdown, he will probably now produce an improved TVR with a reliable engine and built in a more controlled environment and sell the product to a larger audience.
blindswelledrat said:
IM suprised at the early cheers for this.
It strikes me that it the details of that are correct- a Russian has bought our darling british sports car brand, removed anything whatsoever British about it, moved production overseas and is redesigning things for America.
It will now be a low volume foreign car manufacturer like any other.
SUre it will still be good, and all that, just now irrelevant.
Having said that, do people really buy things because they are British, I think not. At the end of the day, for those who fancy a TVR won't be put off I am sure.It strikes me that it the details of that are correct- a Russian has bought our darling british sports car brand, removed anything whatsoever British about it, moved production overseas and is redesigning things for America.
It will now be a low volume foreign car manufacturer like any other.
SUre it will still be good, and all that, just now irrelevant.
One thing folk might miss, is the visit to the factory, I throughly enjoyed my visit with my son some years ago just before the Cerebra was launched.
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