RE: Racing Team Creates 7.0-litre V8 TVR Sagaris
Discussion
madbadger said:
jellison said:
Most current TVR owners would probably not know or care about the old ones if they saw one or flashed them on the road - ooo who was that guy flashing me in his old banger!
That's b
ks.You only have to go to some big events and see the range of cars over TVRs whole 60 years history. There will always be a crowd around the Lilley and earlier cars. I don't think I saw anyone pictures from Rockingham that didn't have a snap of TVR 2. The pre 80s meet will get as big a crowd of modern cars as old come along to see the ancestors.
Every day on here someone will comment "I always wanted a TVR after having a *insert old TVR* drive past me as a kid".
Most poeple who have TVRs are well aware of their heritage and the cars that came before are a big part of what makes modern TVRs so special.
From Club meets.FYI, if I was doing another LS it would be an tuned LS2 in a Tam.
Easy peezy and no roof and a nice simple car in side. Basic with 450bhp - JUST RIGHT.
jellison said:
For the missguided. An LS lump will weigh a darn site less than a SP6 and it is further back.
And as for the SP6 being one of the best engine ever designed - Simpleton.
Wheeler got TVR in the mess that it ended up in (yes he did some great things along the way), but ultimately sold Smolenski half a company with virtually zero chance (why do you think he was getting out).
Sorry but do you have the facts regarding the weight of the two engines?And as for the SP6 being one of the best engine ever designed - Simpleton.
Wheeler got TVR in the mess that it ended up in (yes he did some great things along the way), but ultimately sold Smolenski half a company with virtually zero chance (why do you think he was getting out).
No need to call anyone a simpleton for not having the same opinion as you is there?
Duncan
Edited by DuncanM on Thursday 6th May 22:10
DuncanM said:
I agree overall that it is a sad thing to take a British designed TVR engine out of a TVR.
The ONLY reason I bought the Cerbera is because of the engine. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise!
The AJP8 and Speed Six are two of the GREATEST engines ever designed and should be kept going as long as possible.
I don't however; agree with you calling all previous TVRs kits!
TVR raised the game when they designed their own engines, I truly believe that.
But to say that everything that came before were merely kit cars is doing them an injustice in my opinion.
If I were you I'd stick to my guns on this one. I agree with each of your sentences.The ONLY reason I bought the Cerbera is because of the engine. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise!
The AJP8 and Speed Six are two of the GREATEST engines ever designed and should be kept going as long as possible.
I don't however; agree with you calling all previous TVRs kits!
TVR raised the game when they designed their own engines, I truly believe that.
But to say that everything that came before were merely kit cars is doing them an injustice in my opinion.
As for weight IIRC the LS2 is about 190kg and the S6 is about 180kg, perhaps+/- 5% for both figures so there's very little in it. It's the AJP8 which is the light one at 121kg. No wonder ceejay likes the weight advantage for racing!
itJR said:
DuncanM said:
I agree overall that it is a sad thing to take a British designed TVR engine out of a TVR.
The ONLY reason I bought the Cerbera is because of the engine. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise!
The AJP8 and Speed Six are two of the GREATEST engines ever designed and should be kept going as long as possible.
I don't however; agree with you calling all previous TVRs kits!
TVR raised the game when they designed their own engines, I truly believe that.
But to say that everything that came before were merely kit cars is doing them an injustice in my opinion.
If I were you I'd stick to my guns on this one. I agree with each of your sentences.The ONLY reason I bought the Cerbera is because of the engine. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise!
The AJP8 and Speed Six are two of the GREATEST engines ever designed and should be kept going as long as possible.
I don't however; agree with you calling all previous TVRs kits!
TVR raised the game when they designed their own engines, I truly believe that.
But to say that everything that came before were merely kit cars is doing them an injustice in my opinion.
As for weight IIRC the LS2 is about 190kg and the S6 is about 180kg, perhaps+/- 5% for both figures so there's very little in it. It's the AJP8 which is the light one at 121kg. No wonder ceejay likes the weight advantage for racing!
I must say I'm surprised at the weight of the SP6, not huge but much heavier than the AJP8!
Still, look at what some of the SP6 specialists are doing, with TVR Power offering 5 year Warranties I'd say that is a good indication of the confidence they have in the engine/resolution of the earlier problems.
Duncan
JR said:
As for weight IIRC the LS2 is about 190kg and the S6 is about 180kg, perhaps+/- 5% for both figures so there's very little in it. It's the AJP8 which is the light one at 121kg. No wonder ceejay likes the weight advantage for racing!
The LS is significantly lighter in the way I use in in the transplants. The LS Cerbera comes in at about 20KG more than when it had the AJP8. Confirmed by the Dutch DVLA when we took the car through its approval. I am reusing the Cerbera transmission which is very light compared to the huge and heavy standard LS flywheel and clutch so I save there but the basic engine is must only be about 20kg more than the AJP8. So by deduction, it's about 40kg lighter than the SP6. shpub said:
I see the AJP Police Commissioner has made an appearance... Hello Julian
HiPot, kettle, black, perhaps?
I post cos its what I believe.
You post cos you just happen to sell the conversions. We are each victims of our opinions. Mine just doesn't have a financial gain attached.
Just because I do conversions doesn't mean that I don't believe in them...
Equally, TVR ownership doesn't mean that everything that was done by the factory was perfection and cannot be challenged/changed etc.
Personally, I think the big attraction about TVRs is the fact that they have always continued to evolve either at the hands of owners or by the factory themselves. If I had had a £ for every time someone has said that the LS engine was the engine the Cerbera should have had I'd be a millionaire. I do correct them and point out that the LS didn't actually exist when the Cerbera was developed...
Mind you I had a Corvette owner come up to me last weekend and say I should have used a "real" Corvette engine and not one of these ally ones with no carbs. It seems you can't please everyone... In the end you can only please yourself and for me the LS has been a saviour. For you, it's an AJP. As you say we are both victims of our opinions.
Equally, TVR ownership doesn't mean that everything that was done by the factory was perfection and cannot be challenged/changed etc.
Personally, I think the big attraction about TVRs is the fact that they have always continued to evolve either at the hands of owners or by the factory themselves. If I had had a £ for every time someone has said that the LS engine was the engine the Cerbera should have had I'd be a millionaire. I do correct them and point out that the LS didn't actually exist when the Cerbera was developed...
Mind you I had a Corvette owner come up to me last weekend and say I should have used a "real" Corvette engine and not one of these ally ones with no carbs. It seems you can't please everyone... In the end you can only please yourself and for me the LS has been a saviour. For you, it's an AJP. As you say we are both victims of our opinions.
shpub - most of the poeple that want these LS swap want BIG power so will want the Strong drivelines handing off the back of the engine, i.e. t56 or TKO.
Can't see the point just poping in a lump of much the same power, In my case I ended up with 1.5x the poke of the lame ass 500Rv8, and this will be similar multiplier for a Sag SP6 to an LS7. Over 400bhp and similar torque you have to use the much stronger boxes.
Can't see the point just poping in a lump of much the same power, In my case I ended up with 1.5x the poke of the lame ass 500Rv8, and this will be similar multiplier for a Sag SP6 to an LS7. Over 400bhp and similar torque you have to use the much stronger boxes.
VARLEYHYD said:
Well done Paul,
look forward to being blasted away at Zolder
G
I think I know what this is saying though you could look at it in two different ways.look forward to being blasted away at Zolder
G
Well done Paul, I look forward to being blown away at Zolder
or
Well done Paul, look forward to being blown away at Zolder, I take no prisoners, who needs displacement...
Hi Stuart,
Look forward to seeing you at Cadwell, pretty sure I know what G means. We will be on the same team at Zolder, he takes no prisoners though - have to say he is a much better driver than me.
Paul......
Well done Paul, I look forward to being blown away at Zolder
or
Well done Paul, look forward to being blown away at Zolder, I take no prisoners, who needs displacement...
Look forward to seeing you at Cadwell, pretty sure I know what G means. We will be on the same team at Zolder, he takes no prisoners though - have to say he is a much better driver than me.
Paul......
softtop said:
VARLEYHYD said:
Well done Paul,
look forward to being blasted away at Zolder
G
I think I know what this is saying though you could look at it in two different ways.look forward to being blasted away at Zolder
G
Well done Paul, I look forward to being blown away at Zolder
or
Well done Paul, look forward to being blown away at Zolder, I take no prisoners, who needs displacement...
shpub said:
Not everyone wants 500+ bhp in their car. Not everyone has the pockets to pay for such a transplant.
A lot of people just want a reliable engine with low maintenance at a reasonable cost.
As for the T5 not coping with 400 bhp.... Plenty of examples out there.
Plenty might be "Coping". But when I did mine I checked with the makers Tremec of the various boxes they did for TVR's and LS's. A lot of people just want a reliable engine with low maintenance at a reasonable cost.
As for the T5 not coping with 400 bhp.... Plenty of examples out there.
They advise me that Yes they knew TVR made cars with more than 300ft/lbs, but "that" was all they would official rate the box at. If TVR felt ok putting more through it, that was there concern. They advise me if going to use and LS6 (405bhp and slight less torks!), to get a TKO. This made sense to me as it was bombproof, ok a bit heavier but no where near the weight of a t56. And to be honest a t56 is a great abox to and if you have 1.5 - 2x the original poke you will need a TKO600 or a t56 (which are both rated at 600 ft/lbs.
Yes you can get expensive beefed up internals for a t5 but these are all expenisve bit andthen have to be fitted - if you can stretch to this. Then yes that is teh way to go as lighter AND can handle the power. But it you just want to use and off the shelf box (or the existing box you have) that will take anything you can through at it then the sensible option is a no brainer.
I know deep down it I had driven my car the same way with a t5 it would not have lasted the first 1k mile trip to Lemans.
julian64 said:
Obvious everyone on this thread has their own idea of what makes a TVR. For me what makes a fun car and what makes a TVR are different.
Fun car = lightest body you can get your hands on + biggest engine. For that you can't beat the op of this thread. But any kit car on the market could have got you the same.
TVR is the last car ever to be produced in this country by a man with a single vision. Probably only colin chapman could have held a candle. Its the closest this country has ever got, or will ever now get to having a ferrari like herritage. TVR was built as a kit car company and was a kit car company through almost all of its life. .
- not sure about Power engined cars - but you are right with the sound....Fun car = lightest body you can get your hands on + biggest engine. For that you can't beat the op of this thread. But any kit car on the market could have got you the same.
TVR is the last car ever to be produced in this country by a man with a single vision. Probably only colin chapman could have held a candle. Its the closest this country has ever got, or will ever now get to having a ferrari like herritage. TVR was built as a kit car company and was a kit car company through almost all of its life. .
julian64 said:
Griffths, Chimeras were all kits. Nice but kits. Close your eyes in one of those and you could have been driving any of a myriad of rover based kits.
TVR ceased to be a kit car company when it produced its own engines. The AJP8 and the S6 engined cars, good or bad, put the TVR company head and shoulders above all the other kit car companies out there. Its what raised TVR above Marcos, above Noble, above any of its near competitors, and into ferrari territory. A single design, that if you closed your eyes it wouldn't sound or drive like any other car in the world. Do you know how rare that is? A truly original car, of the sort that is now going to be drowned by design comittees and health and safety bks..
TVR ceased to be a kit car company when it produced its own engines. The AJP8 and the S6 engined cars, good or bad, put the TVR company head and shoulders above all the other kit car companies out there. Its what raised TVR above Marcos, above Noble, above any of its near competitors, and into ferrari territory. A single design, that if you closed your eyes it wouldn't sound or drive like any other car in the world. Do you know how rare that is? A truly original car, of the sort that is now going to be drowned by design comittees and health and safety b
ks..
amen - nough said 
Edited by cramorra on Friday 7th May 18:41
Miguel said:
Barkychoc said:
I can't help thinking that if Peter Wheeler was still in charge then the Sag would have a V8 in it by now. Then everyone would say WOW!
Well put. I think if he would have stayed in charge
- TVR would (most likely) still be bankrupt
- would have continued to build it's own engines till this day - most likely Speed Sixes or derivates - as the AJP 8 was doomed because of emissions
- and if not he would have probably joined forces with one of the other brands like Ricardo or Morgan or so(certainly he would have nor used German/Japanese/American kit) or produced his car abroad all imo of course
jellison said:
Most current TVR owners would probably not know or care about the old ones if they saw one or flashed them on the road - ooo who was that guy flashing me in his old banger!
Some old git went past me on the road the other day,you know the type glasses,leather driving gloves etc driving something similiar to this,hooted his horn and flashed his lights at me,can't think why other than that he liked my TVR.....
I have a 6.9ltr LS3 based Cerbera. It runs 11.1qtrs on street rubber, and have seem just over 200mph and it was still going, just run out of runway.
I would love to build one of these! People who say that the engine does not "work" in a TVR should try one first, they are simply BRUTAL!
I would love to build one of these! People who say that the engine does not "work" in a TVR should try one first, they are simply BRUTAL!
Brummmie said:
I have a 6.9ltr LS3 based Cerbera. It runs 11.1qtrs on street rubber, and have seem just over 200mph and it was still going, just run out of runway.
I would love to build one of these! People who say that the engine does not "work" in a TVR should try one first, they are simply BRUTAL!
brummie, how much power is the 427 ls3 making?.....I would love to build one of these! People who say that the engine does not "work" in a TVR should try one first, they are simply BRUTAL!
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