60th Anniversary 600bhp Typhon based cars to be produced!
Discussion
mellow yellow said:
DAFTLAD....I hope you didn't pay a deposit with your order with Hexham Horseless
Why? Lets assume I did, I have an excellent relationship with a first class dealer, and if I deciided that the car was not for me or alternativly it wasn't to be built, the deposit would be refunded in full without question.
There lies the advantage of using probably the best dealer in the network.
Daftlad said:
Why? Lets assume I did, I have an excellent relationship with a first class dealer, and if I deciided that the car was not for me or alternativly it wasn't to be built, the deposit would be refunded in full without question.
There lies the advantage of using probably the best dealer in the network.
Hes a smart one that John y'know
jagdpanther said:
andysgriff said:
60th Anniversary 600bhp flying pig will go on sale in December.
Can be seen next to Jimmy Hoffers burial plot and a goverment MP telling the truth and sticking to his promises
Roll up roll up people
It'll do 0-60 in 1 second and weigh as much as a coke can. It will also have a unique self cleaning paint formula which releases chemicals into the air that will give your wife an overpowering urge to clean it every Sunday.
Pre-production orders have been received from Alistair Campbell, Peter Mandleson, Jeffrey Archer and Elvis.
soapbox said:
jagdpanther said:
andysgriff said:
60th Anniversary 600bhp flying pig will go on sale in December.
Can be seen next to Jimmy Hoffers burial plot and a goverment MP telling the truth and sticking to his promises
Roll up roll up people
It'll do 0-60 in 1 second and weigh as much as a coke can. It will also have a unique self cleaning paint formula which releases chemicals into the air that will give your wife an overpowering urge to clean it every Sunday.
Pre-production orders have been received from Alistair Campbell, Peter Mandleson, Jeffrey Archer and Elvis.
Optional extras include a zero emiision supercharged RV8 setup which returns 45mpg
Also included is a contract for exemption fron congestions charging and road tax
As other posters have said TVR need to reclaim the market they seem to have abandoned. The UK Retail rices index with a January 1987 baseline of 100 now stands at 200 in September 2006. In early 1987 TVR launched the S1 at £12995 - equivalent to £26000 in today's money. By 1990 they were making the much nicer S3 for about £15500 - around £30k in today's money.
The TVR S was a car that was always a cut above the MX5, MR2 and yet it cost very little more than they did. It was better looking, much faster, had lower depreciation and crucially was a bespoke handbuilt English sports car - undeniably a throroughbred from a prestigious marque. It very quickly became the kind of car that a middle income person could afford, and crucially could afford to run even if they had kids/mortgage etc.
Shortly afterward TVR launched the spectacular Griffith - one of the most beautiful cars ever made. Even the 4 litre was indecently fast, it was luxuriously appointed and fitted with a proven and generally reliable V8.
Crucially both cars appealed to people who wanted an Aston but knew they'd never ever be able to afford one.
As a business model it worked then and it can work now. The world isn't so very different. Mazda still shifts more MX5's than it can make for about £20k, so something bigger, faster and more bespoke for £5-10k more with a 3 litre V6 would still sell by the bucketload. You don't get machined aluminium controls, bespoke leather hides and walnut dashboards in an MX5 and you never will.
I'm convinced that TVR's market is £25-£45k. Beyond that it becomes hard to compete with the Jag XK, Posrche 911 and their perceived mass produced reliability.
So anybody think what TVR really needs is an S5 for just under £30k (cool name too don't you think???) - I am available as a Consultant btw!
Jonathan
The TVR S was a car that was always a cut above the MX5, MR2 and yet it cost very little more than they did. It was better looking, much faster, had lower depreciation and crucially was a bespoke handbuilt English sports car - undeniably a throroughbred from a prestigious marque. It very quickly became the kind of car that a middle income person could afford, and crucially could afford to run even if they had kids/mortgage etc.
Shortly afterward TVR launched the spectacular Griffith - one of the most beautiful cars ever made. Even the 4 litre was indecently fast, it was luxuriously appointed and fitted with a proven and generally reliable V8.
Crucially both cars appealed to people who wanted an Aston but knew they'd never ever be able to afford one.
As a business model it worked then and it can work now. The world isn't so very different. Mazda still shifts more MX5's than it can make for about £20k, so something bigger, faster and more bespoke for £5-10k more with a 3 litre V6 would still sell by the bucketload. You don't get machined aluminium controls, bespoke leather hides and walnut dashboards in an MX5 and you never will.
I'm convinced that TVR's market is £25-£45k. Beyond that it becomes hard to compete with the Jag XK, Posrche 911 and their perceived mass produced reliability.
So anybody think what TVR really needs is an S5 for just under £30k (cool name too don't you think???) - I am available as a Consultant btw!
Jonathan
mellow yellow said:
John, the question was one of genuine concern, you told me at Bolton Abbey that you had ordered one.
Glad to hear everything is OK
Do Hexham Horseless do lager aswell? , because if they did it would probably be the best lager in the world.
I must take a trip there.
Glad to hear everything is OK
Do Hexham Horseless do lager aswell? , because if they did it would probably be the best lager in the world.
I must take a trip there.Thanks for the concern. No lager I'm afraid, but if they did.........
Saxon said:
As other posters have said TVR need to reclaim the market they seem to have abandoned. The UK Retail rices index with a January 1987 baseline of 100 now stands at 200 in September 2006. In early 1987 TVR launched the S1 at £12995 - equivalent to £26000 in today's money. By 1990 they were making the much nicer S3 for about £15500 - around £30k in today's money.
The TVR S was a car that was always a cut above the MX5, MR2 and yet it cost very little more than they did. It was better looking, much faster, had lower depreciation and crucially was a bespoke handbuilt English sports car - undeniably a throroughbred from a prestigious marque. It very quickly became the kind of car that a middle income person could afford, and crucially could afford to run even if they had kids/mortgage etc.
Shortly afterward TVR launched the spectacular Griffith - one of the most beautiful cars ever made. Even the 4 litre was indecently fast, it was luxuriously appointed and fitted with a proven and generally reliable V8.
Crucially both cars appealed to people who wanted an Aston but knew they'd never ever be able to afford one.
As a business model it worked then and it can work now. The world isn't so very different. Mazda still shifts more MX5's than it can make for about £20k, so something bigger, faster and more bespoke for £5-10k more with a 3 litre V6 would still sell by the bucketload. You don't get machined aluminium controls, bespoke leather hides and walnut dashboards in an MX5 and you never will.
I'm convinced that TVR's market is £25-£45k. Beyond that it becomes hard to compete with the Jag XK, Posrche 911 and their perceived mass produced reliability.
So anybody think what TVR really needs is an S5 for just under £30k (cool name too don't you think???) - I am available as a Consultant btw!
Jonathan
The TVR S was a car that was always a cut above the MX5, MR2 and yet it cost very little more than they did. It was better looking, much faster, had lower depreciation and crucially was a bespoke handbuilt English sports car - undeniably a throroughbred from a prestigious marque. It very quickly became the kind of car that a middle income person could afford, and crucially could afford to run even if they had kids/mortgage etc.
Shortly afterward TVR launched the spectacular Griffith - one of the most beautiful cars ever made. Even the 4 litre was indecently fast, it was luxuriously appointed and fitted with a proven and generally reliable V8.
Crucially both cars appealed to people who wanted an Aston but knew they'd never ever be able to afford one.
As a business model it worked then and it can work now. The world isn't so very different. Mazda still shifts more MX5's than it can make for about £20k, so something bigger, faster and more bespoke for £5-10k more with a 3 litre V6 would still sell by the bucketload. You don't get machined aluminium controls, bespoke leather hides and walnut dashboards in an MX5 and you never will.
I'm convinced that TVR's market is £25-£45k. Beyond that it becomes hard to compete with the Jag XK, Posrche 911 and their perceived mass produced reliability.
So anybody think what TVR really needs is an S5 for just under £30k (cool name too don't you think???) - I am available as a Consultant btw!
Jonathan
TVR lost money on the S range then, they would now.
Daftlad said:
TVR lost money on the S range then, they would now.
All the talk of £30K-ish TVRs is a waste of time IMO. The right price position is £45K for a PROPERLY built base model with the scope to spec into the low £60Ks. The used market is for people with a budget of £30K or less. More to the point, the cost of ownership needs to be examined. A PROPERLY built TVR at £45K-£50K should be affordable to finance and not incur a great deal of running costs for the first couple of years. TVR, ironically, is remarkably close to achieving such a car (pre price hike) but the Tuscan is too close to the notorious Tuscan Mk1 in style and the Sagaris polarises opinion.
jagdpanther said:
Daftlad said:
Why? Lets assume I did, I have an excellent relationship with a first class dealer, and if I deciided that the car was not for me or alternativly it wasn't to be built, the deposit would be refunded in full without question.
There lies the advantage of using probably the best dealer in the network.
Hes a smart one that John y'know
I may be, but I'm also a TVR person, and one who quite frankly is disappointed that someone like yourself with so little knowledge of the marque would join the merry band of smart arses that happily put the boot into a failing company with only half a clue of what’s happening.
Get a life you lot.
Daftlad said:
HarryW said:
Daftlad said:
TVR lost money on the S range then, they would now.
Is that right
, Yes.
But why when a wedge cost 50 % more with some bits or in 390SE form did you imagine anything else?
Understood that the wedge nearly bunkrupt the company and the S provided the money to save it, never heard it any different up unitl just now, still not convinced
If TVR would only focus . . . but they haven't done that for the last year. Who on earth would believe it: this 60th Anni car is a PR stunt for sure . . .
I'd eat my shoe if it became a reality . . .
Still a great looker though.
I'd eat my shoe if it became a reality . . .
Still a great looker though.
Daftlad said:
I may be, but I'm also a TVR person, and one who quite frankly is disappointed that someone like yourself with so little knowledge of the marque would join the merry band of smart arses that happily put the boot into a failing company with only half a clue of what’s happening.
Get a life you lot.
Calm down John, no-one is sticking the boot in, all I have done on various threads (barring a bit of banter) is to voice my opinions with the benefit of hindsight.
Everyone who loves TVR has an opinion on the current situation and I am one of those who loves TVR and is genuinely upset (literally) at the recent events.
Id rather not see TVR move to Italy, I would rather see it remain in the country it has been for some time and even if they did the same as Noble it would be (only in my opinion) better than a move abroad!
Yeah I dont have inside information and Im only basing opinions (remember thats all they are) on the information given in the PH news and floating around the forums.
I dont know what Ive said to get your goat John, but I cant see anything derogatory towards TVR in my text!!!!!! Again only a bit of lighthearted banter!!!!
Edited by jagdpanther on Saturday 28th October 09:48
Totally agree with Saxon,with 20 years making luxury cars I have a good idea what sells and what doesnt.The TVR range should be between 28K and 60K.Possibly around five different models.The base model at 28K should be a revamped Tamora MK2 with traction,ABS,etc with off shelf parts Brembo,recaro etc.This would be the main bread winner for the more expensive bespoke models.The base model with this spec would attract 100s of new customers to the TVR marque.I hope NS reads these comments and gets his head out of the sand.TVR could still be British!!!!!!!!!. Doesnt the Lotus Elise sell well,made in some crap back street factory in Malaysia with Jap engines???????.
Edited by mrcosmos on Saturday 28th October 16:55
mrcosmos said:
Totally agree with Saxon,with 20 years making luxury cars I have a good idea what sells and what doesnt.The TVR range should be between 28K and 60K.Possibly around five different models.The base model at 28K should be a revamped Tamora MK2 with traction,ABS,etc with off shelf parts Brembo,recaro etc.This would be the main bread winner for the more expensive bespoke models.The base model with this spec would attract 100s of new customers to the TVR marque.I hope NS reads these comments and gets his head out of the sand.TVR could still be British!!!!!!!!!. Doesnt the Lotus Elise sell well,made in some crap back street factory in Malaysia with Jap engines???????.
Edited by mrcosmos on Saturday 28th October 16:55
Err, you have seen the quality of facilities available in Malaysia then I assume?
probably not crap.But the point I was trying to make is that a poss 80k special will not save a company on its knees.I reckon 2,000 to 4,000 cars per annum would save TVR.I know many including myself want the raw TVR but they have to attract new customers to survive.I know from experience.The final nail in the coffin has been the SP6 engine, its driven hundreds if not thousands of potential customers away with rumours of rebuilds every 10K miles.My mentioned 28K base model would have a cosworth tuned V6.Mid range models with V8s and top of the range with V12 power plants.You never know it might just work!!!!!
Edited by mrcosmos on Saturday 28th October 20:30
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