TVR branded brakes
Discussion
G1ABB said:
Just be careful that you don't get caught out for using TVR IP rights. I've no idea if you could be chased or not but if so it could be expensive.
I would presume that any issues would be raised with Hi Spec, not me. I'm not selling them, I'm buying them.All I have done is point out to Hi Spec that there is a market for callipers that are visually optimised for use with TVR’s.
Beyond that, image files of the logos that are now in Hi Spec’s possession are freely available on the internet.
If we get enough orders and the branded callipers do get produced, then I think it might be prudent to have the cheques all payable directly to Hi Spec. That way I’m not selling them.
If the TVR logo is too problematic, the idea of something similar might be feasible. My understanding is that you cannot copyright an existing word. Imagine the chaos if someone copyrighted a word like ‘and’. Then every time anyone used the word ‘and’ they would have to pay the copyright holder.
Words like Griffith, Chimaera, Cerbera and Tuscan are all old words. There should be no impediment to a calliper with Griffith on it.
Uncle Fester said:
G1ABB said:
Just be careful that you don't get caught out for using TVR IP rights. I've no idea if you could be chased or not but if so it could be expensive.
... If the TVR logo is too problematic, the idea of something similar might be feasible. You could take a leaf o/o the TVRCC approach (who write car club over the TVR logo) and write Hi Spec partly over TVR to at least muddy the waters.
Uncle Fester said:
Some Logo’s can be done by etching on their CNC machines as part of the manufacturing process. Other designs require outsourcing to a specialist engraving firm, which is more expensive.
I have a couple of TVR logo’s in .EPS format; can anyone on here convert them into the formats that are used for CNC machining?
If we can supply this then it will certainly reduce the price and may mean we can get away with fewer initial orders.
Somehow "nothing to do with me Guv!" might be a bit tricky after going public like that? I have a couple of TVR logo’s in .EPS format; can anyone on here convert them into the formats that are used for CNC machining?
If we can supply this then it will certainly reduce the price and may mean we can get away with fewer initial orders.
Had you planned on a new career as a Russian rent boy UF?
As someone who has had Hi Spec 4 pots and rotors on teh front for a few years now, the only issue I've had have been the caliper pins can be fiddly to extract come pad change time. Otherwise very impressed and certainly no quality issues that I've encountered.
Not entirely sure why you'd want them logoing up as something they're not 'though
Not entirely sure why you'd want them logoing up as something they're not 'though
blackiepaul said:
eburacum said:
Do High spec do rear calipers for speed 6 cars Tuscan 2 etc ?
They do not at the moment but were going to make a set of brackets for me and then sell them going forward.If you put 4 pots on the rear though a brake bias control will be needed but they sell these as well.
As mentione above i have been put off from going down this route.
I'm currently running 300x28mm rear's instead of 273 with DS2500 and it's plenty.
No, what I got was some emails from some of Hi Spec’s customers. There has been a post in this thread alerting us to be cautious.
Some are well pleased. And others are not. One was mentioning bargepole’s. My feeling is that when they get them right, they’re very good. But they don’t always do so.
I am trying to find out the strength of the problems people have had. I’m reluctant to be responsible for pushing forward a group buy on something as critical as brakes, without being certain.
The responses from Hi Spec are less professional than I would have hoped for and this has further dented my confidence.
I am trying to find time for another visit to their factory and get to the bottom of this.
If you notice, I have never said that I have supplied them with anything to help with the manufacture of something that is the intellectual property of TVR. I said that I had a copy of something that is freely available on the internet. They are able to download the same file.
If I help them locate something on the web that is no different to what Google does all the time, without prosecution.
Hi Spec's last email said they are working on a kit for Tuscan's.
Some are well pleased. And others are not. One was mentioning bargepole’s. My feeling is that when they get them right, they’re very good. But they don’t always do so.
I am trying to find out the strength of the problems people have had. I’m reluctant to be responsible for pushing forward a group buy on something as critical as brakes, without being certain.
The responses from Hi Spec are less professional than I would have hoped for and this has further dented my confidence.
I am trying to find time for another visit to their factory and get to the bottom of this.
If you notice, I have never said that I have supplied them with anything to help with the manufacture of something that is the intellectual property of TVR. I said that I had a copy of something that is freely available on the internet. They are able to download the same file.
If I help them locate something on the web that is no different to what Google does all the time, without prosecution.
Hi Spec's last email said they are working on a kit for Tuscan's.
After discussing this with a few people, I have now approached TVR seeking their position on the use of their logo.
If they refuse and indicate an intention to get litigious then the idea is dead.
Despite little appearing here, things have been going on in the background.
We may now not need to get the 20 orders for the group buy as originally posted. This is due to a well known supplier of TVR parts wishing to sell them, provided they are not going to get into litigation.
The bulk of interest here has been for the rear callipers. Provided the front brakes have been upgraded this will be fine. I am advised by someone who has experienced fitting the Hi Spec rears that they noticeably increase the rear braking, even with a standard size rear disc. This would move the brake bias too far to the rear if fitted in conjunction with standard front brakes.
However, the handbrake function on the Hi Spec rear callipers is no better than the original standard Ford callipers. This is disappointing considering that the standard is nothing special. I gather that it’s more to do with the leverage in the rest of the system than the callipers.
Unfortunately, I haven’t found a TVR locally with the rear callipers fitted for me to check out the handbrake. Does anyone here have the rear callipers fitted around the Kent area? Or, can anyone who has them comment on them please?
The adverse comments seem to mostly come from early days of the company. Hi Spec is only about 7 years old. It looks like early issues were addressed and the fronts are now good. Even if given a good long track session. However, a tendency to not send out the right parts is still apparent.
There were two different types of rear brake fitted to the Griff. Sending out the wrong one poor, but sending out two brackets for the same side of the car is just silly.
On that point, people will need to specify which type rear brake their car was originally fitted before ordering.
If they refuse and indicate an intention to get litigious then the idea is dead.
Despite little appearing here, things have been going on in the background.
We may now not need to get the 20 orders for the group buy as originally posted. This is due to a well known supplier of TVR parts wishing to sell them, provided they are not going to get into litigation.
The bulk of interest here has been for the rear callipers. Provided the front brakes have been upgraded this will be fine. I am advised by someone who has experienced fitting the Hi Spec rears that they noticeably increase the rear braking, even with a standard size rear disc. This would move the brake bias too far to the rear if fitted in conjunction with standard front brakes.
However, the handbrake function on the Hi Spec rear callipers is no better than the original standard Ford callipers. This is disappointing considering that the standard is nothing special. I gather that it’s more to do with the leverage in the rest of the system than the callipers.
Unfortunately, I haven’t found a TVR locally with the rear callipers fitted for me to check out the handbrake. Does anyone here have the rear callipers fitted around the Kent area? Or, can anyone who has them comment on them please?
The adverse comments seem to mostly come from early days of the company. Hi Spec is only about 7 years old. It looks like early issues were addressed and the fronts are now good. Even if given a good long track session. However, a tendency to not send out the right parts is still apparent.
There were two different types of rear brake fitted to the Griff. Sending out the wrong one poor, but sending out two brackets for the same side of the car is just silly.
On that point, people will need to specify which type rear brake their car was originally fitted before ordering.
I have now heard back from TVR.
TVR are willing to consider the use of the logo, but would want payment.
This will have to be contracted between Hi Spec and TVR. I have therefore put the two companies in touch and stepped back to see what they come up with.
TVR said
I would suggest there are 2 possible positions for using the logo:
1. That the callipers are TVR branded 'mechandise', but not approved technically for use on TVRs and TVR would take no technical responsibility at all.
2. That the callipers are 'approved' as an upgrade for use on TVRs and able to be marketed as such. This would be more expensive as it would require involvement from ourselves in the process to gain technical approval. There would need to be some sort of contract in place whereby the manufacturer would take technical and legal responsibilty for the parts due to their safety critical nature.
TVR are willing to consider the use of the logo, but would want payment.
This will have to be contracted between Hi Spec and TVR. I have therefore put the two companies in touch and stepped back to see what they come up with.
TVR said
I would suggest there are 2 possible positions for using the logo:
1. That the callipers are TVR branded 'mechandise', but not approved technically for use on TVRs and TVR would take no technical responsibility at all.
2. That the callipers are 'approved' as an upgrade for use on TVRs and able to be marketed as such. This would be more expensive as it would require involvement from ourselves in the process to gain technical approval. There would need to be some sort of contract in place whereby the manufacturer would take technical and legal responsibilty for the parts due to their safety critical nature.
Another group buy from Hi Spec achieved a 25%discount. I would be looking for similar levels.
However, we are talking about something new. They sell brake callipers with other brand marks on them like Radical, but don’t currently have the TVR logo option. They have the ability to make them, but not the intellectual property rights permissions.
The holdup is ongoing negotiations with TVR for permission to use the TVR logo. Price and availability will depend upon successful concluding those negotiations and the level of royalties.
The good news is that backing for the deal has been offered by one of the leading suppliers of TVR parts. They have expressed an intention to market TVR branded Hi Spec callipers via their website if they become available. This company already is an established Hi Spec retailer and therefore Hi Spec is keen to help them increase sales. If this deal comes off then the branded callipers should therefore remain available.
However, we are talking about something new. They sell brake callipers with other brand marks on them like Radical, but don’t currently have the TVR logo option. They have the ability to make them, but not the intellectual property rights permissions.
The holdup is ongoing negotiations with TVR for permission to use the TVR logo. Price and availability will depend upon successful concluding those negotiations and the level of royalties.
The good news is that backing for the deal has been offered by one of the leading suppliers of TVR parts. They have expressed an intention to market TVR branded Hi Spec callipers via their website if they become available. This company already is an established Hi Spec retailer and therefore Hi Spec is keen to help them increase sales. If this deal comes off then the branded callipers should therefore remain available.
Markh said:
macdeb said:
Bloke, I'm up for a rear upgrade regardless of logo or not [though would be nice 'if' it had TVR on it] If TVR want payment? Tell'em to shove it.
PS; appreciate the time and effort you're putting in on it.
p for a set as well, any idea on costPS; appreciate the time and effort you're putting in on it.
Uncle Fest', I also read that Hi-Spec do the callipers with a badge as opposed to engraved logo. Would it not be possible to get a 'blank' calliper and then have it engraved yourself with whatever you want? [wink, wink]
Before you order these brakes i thought i shpuld let you know the following.
I recently fitted a full set of Hi-Spec brakes to my Griffith when ordering them i took an order that they had previously supplied to a friend for his Griff therefore it had all the part numbers etc.
i took them to a TVR garage to have them fitted and the front ones fitted fine but they had sent the wrong back brake calipers and brackets therefore the garage had to put the old ones back on so the car could be moved off their ramp.When i got the correct calipers i took it back to the TVR garage and they fitted them but they had then send the wrong hoses too short.
Obviosly the TVR garage charged me a lot more to fit them as it took them a lot longer but when i asked Hi-spec to pay towards this they said that they were not liable and it says this on the bottom of the invoice.I was not happy as they had supplied the wrong parts i had not ordered the wrong stuff.They did send my a full set of brake pads but this nowhere near paid the price for fitting.
If they cant give you the correct parts from an order that they had previously supplied there is no way they will get yours correct.
I have now got the correct parts and they do look good and they are good brakes but it may take you some time to get the correct parts i would suggest if you do order them get them to fit them and get a price for this before so that if it takes them longer its their problem not yours.I do not know how good they are at fitting them i would not let them work on my car as i like it to go to a particular garage.
I recently fitted a full set of Hi-Spec brakes to my Griffith when ordering them i took an order that they had previously supplied to a friend for his Griff therefore it had all the part numbers etc.
i took them to a TVR garage to have them fitted and the front ones fitted fine but they had sent the wrong back brake calipers and brackets therefore the garage had to put the old ones back on so the car could be moved off their ramp.When i got the correct calipers i took it back to the TVR garage and they fitted them but they had then send the wrong hoses too short.
Obviosly the TVR garage charged me a lot more to fit them as it took them a lot longer but when i asked Hi-spec to pay towards this they said that they were not liable and it says this on the bottom of the invoice.I was not happy as they had supplied the wrong parts i had not ordered the wrong stuff.They did send my a full set of brake pads but this nowhere near paid the price for fitting.
If they cant give you the correct parts from an order that they had previously supplied there is no way they will get yours correct.
I have now got the correct parts and they do look good and they are good brakes but it may take you some time to get the correct parts i would suggest if you do order them get them to fit them and get a price for this before so that if it takes them longer its their problem not yours.I do not know how good they are at fitting them i would not let them work on my car as i like it to go to a particular garage.
This may be of interest:
shpub said:
I've since used Wilwood and Hi spec but I am looking now to going to AP. Wilwood were fine and were transferred to my Griff. I had some problems with the Hispec set up with internal seals failing causing random blockages. One caused the car to go into a tyre barrier at Hethel under heavy braking as the caliper seized on one side. Took some sorting out. My overall experience of Hispec have not been good. The braking setup I have achieves 1.1g.
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