TVRCC Membership Fee Increase
Discussion
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....!
OK, I'll let my membership lapse, and then rejoin..! Happen to be movning anyway... so might get away with it!!!
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Unless you ask them at renewal time, I got sent another when I renewed after a bit of gentle persuasion - and got a right drubbing for it on here too if I remember, along the lines of 'tight git it's only a pound!'
I for one won't be too chuffed at an extra fiver (well the wife actually - it counts towards my birthday present each year) so perhaps I'll go one more year, if it doesn't improve I'll not renew.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....! OK, I'll let my membership lapse, and then rejoin..! Happen to be movning anyway... so might get away with it!!!
[/quote] Unless you ask them at renewal time, I got sent another when I renewed after a bit of gentle persuasion - and got a right drubbing for it on here too if I remember, along the lines of 'tight git it's only a pound!'
I for one won't be too chuffed at an extra fiver (well the wife actually - it counts towards my birthday present each year) so perhaps I'll go one more year, if it doesn't improve I'll not renew.
I allowed my memebership to lapse at the end of August for exactly the reasons that Raceboy has voiced, however I intend to still turn up at the AGM (assuming they let me in now I'm a self confessed non member 
) and then make an informed decision about renewing dependant upon what I see and hear. I think its the only fair way as there are numerous "for" people here who obviously put in a lot of time and effort and equally get a lot out of the club and will sing its praises from high. There are however lots of others who really only get a copy of Sprint each month for their money. I will look, listen then make a balanced decision as to if I think my money is being wasted.
) and then make an informed decision about renewing dependant upon what I see and hear. I think its the only fair way as there are numerous "for" people here who obviously put in a lot of time and effort and equally get a lot out of the club and will sing its praises from high. There are however lots of others who really only get a copy of Sprint each month for their money. I will look, listen then make a balanced decision as to if I think my money is being wasted.
SteveNot keen on paying any more than the current £30 but then that's what the vote is for. If the proposal is carried then I'll still renew my membership as I feel belonging to the TVRCC is part of TVR ownership - not being a member seems almost like treating my P&J as though it was a Ford or Vauxhall
Perhaps it's this attitude that keeps the TVRCC going? I think there are 5000 odd members but I guess only a fraction of that number regularly participate in TVRCC events?
Perhaps it's this attitude that keeps the TVRCC going? I think there are 5000 odd members but I guess only a fraction of that number regularly participate in TVRCC events?
Hi Folks,
I wanted to consider carefully what I should say before posting on this topic.
I feel that members who are questioning the £5 increase in subs are not moaning...they are 'questioning' and, as this is a free country, thankfully, they have every right to do so.
We all want value for money and if we feel we are not getting that, then we have the right not to sign up for future membership.
I must confess that in my first year as RO, I did not look into or question the elected commitee or it's decisions.
The committee, elected by the members, were mostly volunteers with far more TVR experience than me and I attended the AGM really for the RO's meeting that followed it, with he intention of picking the brains of far more experienced ROs.
However, this year has seen a great change in the structure of the committee and officers and now a proposed increase in subs.
My fellow RO Diane and I will be attending this year's AGM on behalf of our Mid Essex members who cannot attend and they can rest assured that we will be taking careful notes to give a full report to the region after the meeting.
All I will say (IMHO) is that there are people standing for election who are very keen to promote the club, promote new events and want to push the TVRcc forward in a very positive way.
This will be my second year as Mid Essex RO and I will be taking far more interest in committee decisions.
May I just make a comment from earlier posts.......
R O's do get free membership, but only the Principal RO.....my fellow RO Diane, does not get free membership and we have come to an agreement about that at renewal time, as she works extremely hard for Mid Essex.
I'm sure I can speak for Diane when I say that we really appreciate the comments made earlier from Mid Essex members with regard to our role for the region, but....and this is where I think the crux of the matter lies.....
the TVRcc is like a circle......no end...no beginning.......
The Mid Essex region is on something of a roll at the moment.....
this is bought about because TVRcc members read Sprint and feel they want to attend a meet....
with such enthusiastic members, it encourages the ROs to put on plenty of varied events....
with more events to report on, the region sounds more interesting in the magazine and encourages more members to attend and so the circle goes on.
It has to be said that an RO can organise him/herself until they are blue in the face, but if the members don't play ball and attend the events, the ROs go nowhere!!!!!!
IMO I believe that Sprint (very costly to produce) is the magazine that binds the club together and I feel it to be well worth the sub money for the help it gives me to promote our region.
Quite apart from the fact that it is one of the best car club magazines for the money...
Both Diane and I are looking forward to the AGM this year, which should be very interesting.
It is my opionion that, as a car club we have plenty to look forward to next year....I hope I am right....
....Pauline Mid Essex...
I wanted to consider carefully what I should say before posting on this topic.
I feel that members who are questioning the £5 increase in subs are not moaning...they are 'questioning' and, as this is a free country, thankfully, they have every right to do so.
We all want value for money and if we feel we are not getting that, then we have the right not to sign up for future membership.
I must confess that in my first year as RO, I did not look into or question the elected commitee or it's decisions.
The committee, elected by the members, were mostly volunteers with far more TVR experience than me and I attended the AGM really for the RO's meeting that followed it, with he intention of picking the brains of far more experienced ROs.
However, this year has seen a great change in the structure of the committee and officers and now a proposed increase in subs.
My fellow RO Diane and I will be attending this year's AGM on behalf of our Mid Essex members who cannot attend and they can rest assured that we will be taking careful notes to give a full report to the region after the meeting.
All I will say (IMHO) is that there are people standing for election who are very keen to promote the club, promote new events and want to push the TVRcc forward in a very positive way.
This will be my second year as Mid Essex RO and I will be taking far more interest in committee decisions.
May I just make a comment from earlier posts.......
R O's do get free membership, but only the Principal RO.....my fellow RO Diane, does not get free membership and we have come to an agreement about that at renewal time, as she works extremely hard for Mid Essex.
I'm sure I can speak for Diane when I say that we really appreciate the comments made earlier from Mid Essex members with regard to our role for the region, but....and this is where I think the crux of the matter lies.....
the TVRcc is like a circle......no end...no beginning.......
The Mid Essex region is on something of a roll at the moment.....
this is bought about because TVRcc members read Sprint and feel they want to attend a meet....
with such enthusiastic members, it encourages the ROs to put on plenty of varied events....
with more events to report on, the region sounds more interesting in the magazine and encourages more members to attend and so the circle goes on.
It has to be said that an RO can organise him/herself until they are blue in the face, but if the members don't play ball and attend the events, the ROs go nowhere!!!!!!
IMO I believe that Sprint (very costly to produce) is the magazine that binds the club together and I feel it to be well worth the sub money for the help it gives me to promote our region.
Quite apart from the fact that it is one of the best car club magazines for the money...
Both Diane and I are looking forward to the AGM this year, which should be very interesting.
It is my opionion that, as a car club we have plenty to look forward to next year....I hope I am right....
....Pauline Mid Essex...£35 is not bad for what you get.
I was an area rep in another car club a couple of years ago and that was around £20 a year membership, and you only got 4 A4 magazines a year (and they weren't all in colour).
The club is now down to about 300 members now and the subs have gone up to £25.
The magazine I believe is now all in black and white.
Another club I was in, the Triumph Sports Six club membership is £36 now.
So £25 for 4 A4 magazines in a year or £35 for 12 professional colour ones.
Let me think
I don't think compared to other clubs the extra £5 rise is that much.
Lee
I was an area rep in another car club a couple of years ago and that was around £20 a year membership, and you only got 4 A4 magazines a year (and they weren't all in colour).
The club is now down to about 300 members now and the subs have gone up to £25.
The magazine I believe is now all in black and white.
Another club I was in, the Triumph Sports Six club membership is £36 now.
So £25 for 4 A4 magazines in a year or £35 for 12 professional colour ones.
Let me think
I don't think compared to other clubs the extra £5 rise is that much.
Lee
We've just bought our Griff, our first TVR, and done 1500 miles in the last two weeks. I've had the Sprint via a friend of a friend for about eight months, and I think its a great mag. However, I've no idea who the people standing for election are, or what they want to do/acheive. Would it not be possible for some form of "pitch" to be included against their name(s)?
As it is, I don't feel that I am entitled to vote (even though I am a club member), as I don't know enough to voice an opinion, other than a donation of £5,000 without the membership's ok, and then a proposed £5 membership increase seems a bit high-handed.
maggit
As it is, I don't feel that I am entitled to vote (even though I am a club member), as I don't know enough to voice an opinion, other than a donation of £5,000 without the membership's ok, and then a proposed £5 membership increase seems a bit high-handed.
maggit
gemini said:
Simpo One - do a u turn mate 
Point 1: The burgeoning membership will generate extra income anyway. Point 2: It's all very well saying extra money will allow the Club to organise extra events - but they mostly still cost hundreds of pounds to go to anyway. They ain't free!
Time to stick my oar in again I think. 
[confused rant]
Unlike many posts here I am not moaning about the proposed increase per se. I'm just (almost) completely in the dark about what all the extra cash is for!
I know that there are hints on the tvrcc website, but that doesn't tell me how expensive a truck is nor how the change in status of some officials affects the club's finances.
Due to prior engagements I am unable to be at the AGM, and I cannot find any detailed information that tells me why the increase is necessary so I have no basis on which to cast a vote.
I'm not arguing about a fiver, and I am very happy with the local aspects fo the club (thanks to the Mid-Essex and Middlesex chap(esse)s). I am particulary not suggesting that I will not be renewing my membership. I simply feel that I have no real justification for the committee to have an extra £35k to spend.
[/confused rant]
PS: Yellow Peril, you have mail.
[confused rant]
Unlike many posts here I am not moaning about the proposed increase per se. I'm just (almost) completely in the dark about what all the extra cash is for!
I know that there are hints on the tvrcc website, but that doesn't tell me how expensive a truck is nor how the change in status of some officials affects the club's finances.
Due to prior engagements I am unable to be at the AGM, and I cannot find any detailed information that tells me why the increase is necessary so I have no basis on which to cast a vote.
I'm not arguing about a fiver, and I am very happy with the local aspects fo the club (thanks to the Mid-Essex and Middlesex chap(esse)s). I am particulary not suggesting that I will not be renewing my membership. I simply feel that I have no real justification for the committee to have an extra £35k to spend.
[/confused rant]
PS: Yellow Peril, you have mail.
.Mark said:
... so perhaps I'll go one more year, if it doesn't improve I'll not renew.
I hope you'll still host Pie on the Beach, for all us PH readers, I enjoyed this years.
As to the TVRCC let me know what you'd like to see locally - I'll see what we can do,
and nationally - mmm - well I look forward to my first AGM
David
N17 TVR said:
Seriously though folks, I didn't really see myself as "a car club person", but if all the rest of the regions are as well organised and welcoming as Mid Essex, membership shouldn't be a problem.
Maybe that's where my problem lies. For me, membership is just Sprint. Nothing ever seems to happen in my region.
Now to be fair, I've not been to meetings for the last three months (the summer months, I admit), but whilst I was attending, there was only one event organised. And that was piggy backed onto a Blackpool region event, and not otganised by our RO.
Now, there are lots of (well, seemingly about a dozen) people in this region who are very happy to sit in the pub once a month and natter, and if that's what it's all about, then I'm happy for them, and I accept that that is the grass roots happening of any club. I was hoping for the occaissional run out or whatever, though. Perhaps these have been happening over the last couple of months, and I missed out?
Basically what I'm saying is, though there are people who are happy with the meetings, to my mind they are crap, and it seems little else happens. So, for me the only membership benefit is Sprint. And good though it is, on its own it's not worth the money.
Oh, just to clarify, I don't do trackdays, Manning refuse to insure me (because of my postcode), and I go to Blackpool every other weekend, so 500quid for me n the wife seems a bit steep.
Sorry for the downer, but I guess I'm just not a 'club' sort of person, really.
Morning All,
Having followed this thread I thought it time to speak up.
As Chairman (nominate) I know that there are concerns about how we do things and the value of events. We have to improve the ways things are done and we will.
But let's all understand one thing, the Committee is elected, from anybody amongst the 7,000 membership, to make decisions on behalf of the members. The really big decisions (fees, committee etc) are voted on by all the members at the AGM (or by postal vote). Most decisions are decided after usually much discussion by your elected committee.
To pick up on just one topic - the £5000 (just 2% of annual fees) used to sponser Michael Caine was decided as a direct request (and was initially for far more than the Club could afford) from TVR to support a driver. YES - TVR ASKED US. If the Committee had turned TVR down, I question what sort of relationship we would now have with them. The members could not be asked as I understand that the request came in at the 11th hour.
I have three main aims if voted in:-
(i) Give direction
(ii) Improve communication and coordination; and
(iii) Increase member benefits.
There is a lot of uninformed drivel spoken by a lot of people on this thread - even a well known dealer is getting sick of it. See this month's Sprint (page 3).
So let's stop this public bikkering and pull together and make things better.
I would also suggest that many of you should read the rules of posting on this site.
And please do not bother coming back to me as I will not discuss TVRCC business further on this thread.
Simon
Having followed this thread I thought it time to speak up.
As Chairman (nominate) I know that there are concerns about how we do things and the value of events. We have to improve the ways things are done and we will.
But let's all understand one thing, the Committee is elected, from anybody amongst the 7,000 membership, to make decisions on behalf of the members. The really big decisions (fees, committee etc) are voted on by all the members at the AGM (or by postal vote). Most decisions are decided after usually much discussion by your elected committee.
To pick up on just one topic - the £5000 (just 2% of annual fees) used to sponser Michael Caine was decided as a direct request (and was initially for far more than the Club could afford) from TVR to support a driver. YES - TVR ASKED US. If the Committee had turned TVR down, I question what sort of relationship we would now have with them. The members could not be asked as I understand that the request came in at the 11th hour.
I have three main aims if voted in:-
(i) Give direction
(ii) Improve communication and coordination; and
(iii) Increase member benefits.
There is a lot of uninformed drivel spoken by a lot of people on this thread - even a well known dealer is getting sick of it. See this month's Sprint (page 3).
So let's stop this public bikkering and pull together and make things better.
I would also suggest that many of you should read the rules of posting on this site.
And please do not bother coming back to me as I will not discuss TVRCC business further on this thread.
Simon
I will agree to pay an extra £5 this year, because there are many personnel changes afoot in the committee, and I remember what happened when the last significant change occurred, and an enthusiast restyled Sprint. Most of us must remember the crappy little A5 booklet we use dto get - Sprint is magnificent compared to that.
So, if a new committee is seen to spend my extra fiver on better events, (ones I am likely to attend becasue they look interesting), I will get some value.
However, no-one pays £2500 for a new computer! (As detailed in latest minutes). Surely a sub-£1000 pc would be more than adequate?
It is also time that the AGM was staged centrally - I think it was somewhere in the Midlands last year, but Kent? I will not be attending as it is simply too far for this type of boredom, and so I am immediately dis-enfranchised.
In the end, my overall impression is that the TVRCC is run by a bunch of trunion polishers, and that puts me off. That is why I go to PH meetings, not TVRCC mania, Back Home etc. I confess I am not much interested in restored Granturas, Capri brake drum sources etc., but I'm just a curmudgeon, and I don't have a beard or cardigan.
I'll give the club another year's subscription, and see what I get from it.
So, if a new committee is seen to spend my extra fiver on better events, (ones I am likely to attend becasue they look interesting), I will get some value.
However, no-one pays £2500 for a new computer! (As detailed in latest minutes). Surely a sub-£1000 pc would be more than adequate?
It is also time that the AGM was staged centrally - I think it was somewhere in the Midlands last year, but Kent? I will not be attending as it is simply too far for this type of boredom, and so I am immediately dis-enfranchised.
In the end, my overall impression is that the TVRCC is run by a bunch of trunion polishers, and that puts me off. That is why I go to PH meetings, not TVRCC mania, Back Home etc. I confess I am not much interested in restored Granturas, Capri brake drum sources etc., but I'm just a curmudgeon, and I don't have a beard or cardigan.
I'll give the club another year's subscription, and see what I get from it.
tvrgaas said:
I hope you'll still host Pie on the Beach, for all us PH readers, I enjoyed this years.
As to the TVRCC let me know what you'd like to see locally - I'll see what we can do,
and nationally - mmm - well I look forward to my first AGM
David
If the interest is there again of course I'll do PoTBIII - with great pleasure.
I must hold my head in shame and confess I have not yet been to a TVRCC meet, perhaps because of my location (lousy excuse I know), but, I am on the Hants/Sussex border so the H&C meet on a Thursday night is not the easiest venue to get to, although finishing work a bit earlier and making more effort wouldn't go amiss.
The Sussex meet is on a Sunday morning, and as I have said before, getting up at 6am for working in the weekdays I don't really want to be getting up 'early' on a Sunday to be in Goodwood for 11am. That's my problem though and not the clubs.
I guess from a purely selfish point of view, I would like the meet at the pub over the road from my house!
Hope you enjoy the AGM
I promise to make more effort in the future.
In my opinion, I would not be against an extra £5 added to the subscription, as I feel I get a lot out of my TVRCC membership, and I would still feel I was getting value for money if I paid even more than £35 per year.
I would however like to see what this extra funding would provide though.
I agree with some of the comments though that it does seem to depend on what region you're in. I'm lucky I guess in that I am a member of the Mid-Essex region, which does put on a lot of great events including go-karting, treasure hunt, trips to watch GT and Tuscan racing as well as the standing around with a drink in your hand chatting about TVRs.
I have also found that you do need to make a bit of an effort to get something out of your membership.
In the 3 years that I owned my Griff, I didn't take part in any TVRCC events, and didn't attend one regional meet. I just didn't really consider what would be on offer, and just imagined it would involve me turning up to a pub, talking about cars a bit while sipping my coke, then going home again. During this time, I didn't really think it was great value for money, and wasn't too bothered about renewing.
However, when I bought my Tuscan at the start of the year, I made a determined effort to get more involved in the social side of TVR ownership, and now really regret not making more of an effort before.
I agree that the success of a region depends partly on having a good RO (which we certainly do at Mid Essex), but it also depends on the members pulling their fingers out, and taking an active part.
In my experience, the more you put in, the more you get out of it.
I would however like to see what this extra funding would provide though.
I agree with some of the comments though that it does seem to depend on what region you're in. I'm lucky I guess in that I am a member of the Mid-Essex region, which does put on a lot of great events including go-karting, treasure hunt, trips to watch GT and Tuscan racing as well as the standing around with a drink in your hand chatting about TVRs.
I have also found that you do need to make a bit of an effort to get something out of your membership.
In the 3 years that I owned my Griff, I didn't take part in any TVRCC events, and didn't attend one regional meet. I just didn't really consider what would be on offer, and just imagined it would involve me turning up to a pub, talking about cars a bit while sipping my coke, then going home again. During this time, I didn't really think it was great value for money, and wasn't too bothered about renewing.
However, when I bought my Tuscan at the start of the year, I made a determined effort to get more involved in the social side of TVR ownership, and now really regret not making more of an effort before.
I agree that the success of a region depends partly on having a good RO (which we certainly do at Mid Essex), but it also depends on the members pulling their fingers out, and taking an active part.
In my experience, the more you put in, the more you get out of it.
nubbin said:
I will agree to pay an extra £25 this year, because there are many personnel changes afoot in the committee I will get some value.
I confess I am interested in Capri brake drum sources etc and I have a beard and cardigan which I wear when driving my Audi.
I'll give the club another year's subscription, and see what I get from it.
Good man Nubbin
Nice to see you again , if only briefly at BNG
Were going to tantilise your taste buds this coming year!
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