ls1 v8 upgrade??
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Boosted LS1 said:
^^Great pic but is the engine offset or is that how tvr fit their bodywork? Just curious. Still it has an lsx ingine installed which makes a pretty big statement. Is it all bolted up or resting in situ?
Engine is straight down the middle - photo is bad with some bits of the engine bay painted black and some body colour. This is most definitely all bolted up - it's done several hundred miles, also has a 6 speed box so does 30mpg at xxx mphLS7Everything said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^^Great pic but is the engine offset or is that how tvr fit their bodywork? Just curious. Still it has an lsx ingine installed which makes a pretty big statement. Is it all bolted up or resting in situ?
Engine is straight down the middle - photo is bad with some bits of the engine bay painted black and some body colour. This is most definitely all bolted up - it's done several hundred miles, also has a 6 speed box so does 30mpg at xxx mph
Gazzab said:
When Mourinho first took his Chelsea side to Wigan he said that he'd heard so much about the pies there that he must have one. He bit into it and the boiling hot gravy spat out and soaked his shirt so much that he stripped it off immediately. All a complete nonsense because during the 1920s the Wiganners broke the strike in Leigh but eventually had to go back and eat humble pie, hence pie eaters.
LS7Everything said:
We've not finished the Tuscans yet (Targa S and Convertible in build) but we do have 2 Sagaris completed and registered 2009 - so the LS7 does fit it just needs a little persuasion!!
Need to get some better pics up but it gives you an idea
Superb job. Well done! What's the cooling like?Need to get some better pics up but it gives you an idea
LS7Everything said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^^Great pic but is the engine offset or is that how tvr fit their bodywork? Just curious. Still it has an lsx ingine installed which makes a pretty big statement. Is it all bolted up or resting in situ?
Engine is straight down the middle - photo is bad with some bits of the engine bay painted black and some body colour. This is most definitely all bolted up - it's done several hundred miles, also has a 6 speed box so does 30mpg at xxx mphThat said BL used to make their cars up to 1" longer on one side, not on purpose mind. I know my car's out by at least 1/2"
Ls2 engine?
Boosted LS1 said:
LS7Everything said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^^Great pic but is the engine offset or is that how tvr fit their bodywork? Just curious. Still it has an lsx ingine installed which makes a pretty big statement. Is it all bolted up or resting in situ?
Engine is straight down the middle - photo is bad with some bits of the engine bay painted black and some body colour. This is most definitely all bolted up - it's done several hundred miles, also has a 6 speed box so does 30mpg at xxx mphThat said BL used to make their cars up to 1" longer on one side, not on purpose mind. I know my car's out by at least 1/2"
Ls2 engine?
Engine is Ls7 - after you've tried one you can't have anything else!
LS7Everything said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^ Especially when you've seen it's internals, yummy.
Quite agree - though we have one engine that's not quite std. even better! Have you seen Katech bits?LS7Everything - EXCELLENT too see this. About time 
As I have said loads of times, I only did the first one on a Chim as that is what I had when I decided to do it.
I knew the LS would fit (in a T car) with a TKO as I had done all the measurements on a mates car. Any decent Hotrodder worth his salt could have done an LS in any TVR. You say yours has a 6 speeder in it. Is it the MASSIVE T56? (Presume it must be as they are like this in the LS Camaro's). If so why that? - It is So heavy and just Huge (and the 6th gear is just a hugely long overdrive gear) did you have to cut the centre part of the chassis or somehow squeezed it in? TKO is alot narrower and a good bit lighter (still a good bit heavier than a T5 but twice the torque rating as is the t56). I see the back of the engine is hard up against the bulkhead as it has to be for good handling (back of my block was in the same place as the back of the Rover that came out). This should be better that the massively long and heavy SP6 with more weight out front compared to how you have the LS.
This is where the constant moaner S8 (a joy to not frequent the TVR section just to avoid reading the waffle he writes), gets it all wrong. He thinks the engine will not go in as the way he has done his is some how the only way that it CAN BE DONE! (Find some pic's of it or I might pop some up later!!!!). S8 originally put in the SBC, but it was put in, in such a fashion to try to get the price right down on any possible clone type builds. He put it in so far forward (compare LS7everything or a pick of MadMitchs engine), not entirely sure why - but the handling must be just Awful, so far forward as to have Chronic understeer. I have checked the pic's of this engine hooked up to the same TKO and adaptor plate as on the back of the LS I put in, so know all the measurements. Looking in the engine bay you can work out by know the dimensions of the TKO and the bellhousing and parts of the gearbox you can see that S8's engine is approx 10 INCHES further forward of the bulkhead than LS7E's or mine (and the bulkhead in a Chim / Cerb / Tuscan / Sag are all a good reference point for an engine install (relative to the front axle line), i.e. you want the engine as far back (hard up against the bulkhead) as is possible.
I was going to post this years back, but held off (frankly got fed up of the whole thing and S8). My old car handled (once it had the suspension sorted) alot better than it ever did before the swap (Mitch can hopefully confirm this now), with a slightly heavier engine and gbox (but all the weight is low down and HARD BACK). Imagine if I did exactly the same install with the whole lot 10" or more further forward (longer prop and using the back position on the TKO box), which one would anyone want!? The car would handle like a SUPERTANKER (might be ok in a straight line or at a drag strip), but as a "Sportscar" it would be Utterly Useless.
LS7everything - hard to tell totally from your pic, but it looks to me as if (like mine) that as the engine is slammed right back as far as it will go this make the exhaust routing the conventional way hard and you have come forward and then swung it underneath and back. Although the Tuscan and Cerb chassis are wider than the Griff / Chim, depending how you have done the install you can go down the side and back with the exhaust in a conventional manor, like Brummie did (really nice job and great exhaust building). Brum did a great job of getting the pipes down the side and going back (this might have been due to maybe being a tad further forward than the Sag install relative to the bulkhead but just as likely to do with the TKO vs using the T56 (the 6 speed monster).
S8 wanted the price right down. To be able to use off the shelf SBC headers he had to locate the engine in a position where these would go in, then just had to make up a small length of connecting pipe to the existing Tuscan back section of the Exhaust.
Also by having the engine so far forward this would have meant not that he could leave the gearstick of the crate TKO in the back position (they all come like this in the back position). But the whole point of the TKO is it is a modular Gearbox and you can have the gearstick in 4 different locations. Obviously buying the alternative position shifter cost more cash (but S8 will not have wanted to have spent more cash)! In mine and likely a Sag / Tuscan if using the TKO rather than the T56 with the engine hard back you would want one of the more forward location shifter points.
Anyway glad this has been done. LS7E, is it dry sumped as per the std LS7. Issue in a Chim / Griff with the narrower chassis rails was that if engine placed centrally the dry sump pump would have been right where the lower chassis rail would be (around the front wishbones). You maybe got away with this with the wider rails or could cut and shut the frame there moving the rail in this area back? Or convert it to wet sump?
All the best with the LS T cars.
I await more twaddle telling us that what you have done is not possible and that it is all a photoshop job!! (At that point I'll post some funny pictures).
As I have said loads of times, I only did the first one on a Chim as that is what I had when I decided to do it.
I knew the LS would fit (in a T car) with a TKO as I had done all the measurements on a mates car. Any decent Hotrodder worth his salt could have done an LS in any TVR. You say yours has a 6 speeder in it. Is it the MASSIVE T56? (Presume it must be as they are like this in the LS Camaro's). If so why that? - It is So heavy and just Huge (and the 6th gear is just a hugely long overdrive gear) did you have to cut the centre part of the chassis or somehow squeezed it in? TKO is alot narrower and a good bit lighter (still a good bit heavier than a T5 but twice the torque rating as is the t56). I see the back of the engine is hard up against the bulkhead as it has to be for good handling (back of my block was in the same place as the back of the Rover that came out). This should be better that the massively long and heavy SP6 with more weight out front compared to how you have the LS.
This is where the constant moaner S8 (a joy to not frequent the TVR section just to avoid reading the waffle he writes), gets it all wrong. He thinks the engine will not go in as the way he has done his is some how the only way that it CAN BE DONE! (Find some pic's of it or I might pop some up later!!!!). S8 originally put in the SBC, but it was put in, in such a fashion to try to get the price right down on any possible clone type builds. He put it in so far forward (compare LS7everything or a pick of MadMitchs engine), not entirely sure why - but the handling must be just Awful, so far forward as to have Chronic understeer. I have checked the pic's of this engine hooked up to the same TKO and adaptor plate as on the back of the LS I put in, so know all the measurements. Looking in the engine bay you can work out by know the dimensions of the TKO and the bellhousing and parts of the gearbox you can see that S8's engine is approx 10 INCHES further forward of the bulkhead than LS7E's or mine (and the bulkhead in a Chim / Cerb / Tuscan / Sag are all a good reference point for an engine install (relative to the front axle line), i.e. you want the engine as far back (hard up against the bulkhead) as is possible.
I was going to post this years back, but held off (frankly got fed up of the whole thing and S8). My old car handled (once it had the suspension sorted) alot better than it ever did before the swap (Mitch can hopefully confirm this now), with a slightly heavier engine and gbox (but all the weight is low down and HARD BACK). Imagine if I did exactly the same install with the whole lot 10" or more further forward (longer prop and using the back position on the TKO box), which one would anyone want!? The car would handle like a SUPERTANKER (might be ok in a straight line or at a drag strip), but as a "Sportscar" it would be Utterly Useless.
LS7everything - hard to tell totally from your pic, but it looks to me as if (like mine) that as the engine is slammed right back as far as it will go this make the exhaust routing the conventional way hard and you have come forward and then swung it underneath and back. Although the Tuscan and Cerb chassis are wider than the Griff / Chim, depending how you have done the install you can go down the side and back with the exhaust in a conventional manor, like Brummie did (really nice job and great exhaust building). Brum did a great job of getting the pipes down the side and going back (this might have been due to maybe being a tad further forward than the Sag install relative to the bulkhead but just as likely to do with the TKO vs using the T56 (the 6 speed monster).
S8 wanted the price right down. To be able to use off the shelf SBC headers he had to locate the engine in a position where these would go in, then just had to make up a small length of connecting pipe to the existing Tuscan back section of the Exhaust.
Also by having the engine so far forward this would have meant not that he could leave the gearstick of the crate TKO in the back position (they all come like this in the back position). But the whole point of the TKO is it is a modular Gearbox and you can have the gearstick in 4 different locations. Obviously buying the alternative position shifter cost more cash (but S8 will not have wanted to have spent more cash)! In mine and likely a Sag / Tuscan if using the TKO rather than the T56 with the engine hard back you would want one of the more forward location shifter points.
Anyway glad this has been done. LS7E, is it dry sumped as per the std LS7. Issue in a Chim / Griff with the narrower chassis rails was that if engine placed centrally the dry sump pump would have been right where the lower chassis rail would be (around the front wishbones). You maybe got away with this with the wider rails or could cut and shut the frame there moving the rail in this area back? Or convert it to wet sump?
All the best with the LS T cars.
I await more twaddle telling us that what you have done is not possible and that it is all a photoshop job!! (At that point I'll post some funny pictures).
Speed eight said:
I asked of Chimjunkie, what experts?
Because Chimjunkie told me to talk to them, so he must know them.
There is no point whatsoever to just write something and not back it up. Or do you think that there is?
So who are they then; these people who will give me the facts straight in person?
Are these the "people" that have built the mythical LS engine Speed Six Tuscan?
Of course not, because it does not exist.
Speed Eight.
Speedeight, let me introduce you to LS7everything Because Chimjunkie told me to talk to them, so he must know them.
There is no point whatsoever to just write something and not back it up. Or do you think that there is?
So who are they then; these people who will give me the facts straight in person?
Are these the "people" that have built the mythical LS engine Speed Six Tuscan?
Of course not, because it does not exist.
Speed Eight.
Thought there might be someone in the world who builds/modifies cars
Edited by Chimjunkie on Saturday 30th May 15:33
jellison said:
said lots
Tremic box just squeezes in, prop is 13" joint to joint. Still has Ls7 dry sump. Engine is as far back as possible, you'd never do it with standard headers, the exhaust system was the hardest bit! Weight balance is great, biased slightly towards the rear, bad handling would be inexcusable. And after all that work you don't think it has standard suspension do you?! Track days won't be a problem either coming in at 93db - we have 2 Ls7 Sagaris booked for track day in july with some rather special drivers.btw: I'm not that good with photoshop!
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