New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)
Discussion
glow worm said:
Question ?.....
If the car had been produced , Do you think it would have enhanced the reputation of TVR cars or made it worse ???
He has 2 millions of followers, the visibility of the Griffith would have been great. If the car had been produced , Do you think it would have enhanced the reputation of TVR cars or made it worse ???
I haven't seen a lot of his video, is he honest in his review or does he see only qualities? We have those kind of old school journalists in France who are always dithyrambic. But when the new version of the car is launched, suddenly the former one is not flawless.
If you have so many viewers and you present them the perfect TVR, this would have for sure a positive impact.
And if you don't care of his opinion, the fact he likes the car should not change your point of view.
Zeb74 said:
glow worm said:
Question ?.....
If the car had been produced , Do you think it would have enhanced the reputation of TVR cars or made it worse ???
He has 2 millions of followers, the visibility of the Griffith would have been great. If the car had been produced , Do you think it would have enhanced the reputation of TVR cars or made it worse ???
I haven't seen a lot of his video, is he honest in his review or does he see only qualities? We have those kind of old school journalists in France who are always dithyrambic. But when the new version of the car is launched, suddenly the former one is not flawless.
If you have so many viewers and you present them the perfect TVR, this would have for sure a positive impact.
And if you don't care of his opinion, the fact he likes the car should not change your point of view.
How could it make it any worse?
Most people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
Most people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
LucyP said:
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
I think that IS exactly the point.... As you say "You are looking at a Rolls Royce" NOT A BMW !!!! The reputation built by Henry Royce as an exceptional engineer in his time carries through to the name even today 
.No, that's not the point. Royce is a total irrelevance. He has been dead for 90 years. The cars that he had anything to do with are never seen outside of vintage or veteran car rallies.
People don't think of the original separate coach built, pre-war RR's as a RR. They think of a Silver Shadow, or later car.
No one thinks of Trevor Wilkinson or a 1950s Jomar when they think of TVR. They think of something from the 1990s, something that Peter Wheeler built.
RRs of the 1970s and 1980s were not the best cars in the world anymore. They were not like that until BMW came along. Now that BMW are producing them, it doesn't make you look at a 1977 Silver Shadow in a different light. How could it?
People don't think of the original separate coach built, pre-war RR's as a RR. They think of a Silver Shadow, or later car.
No one thinks of Trevor Wilkinson or a 1950s Jomar when they think of TVR. They think of something from the 1990s, something that Peter Wheeler built.
RRs of the 1970s and 1980s were not the best cars in the world anymore. They were not like that until BMW came along. Now that BMW are producing them, it doesn't make you look at a 1977 Silver Shadow in a different light. How could it?
frontfloater said:
I consider myself a literate and articulate person, but today I learned a new word - dithyrambic - and from someone presumably not using English as his native language. Thank you Zeb, you educated me.
You're welcome, this is a word (dithyrambique) which is maybe more used in France, I have no credit.And then, as a linguist said, english is badly pronounced french
Zeb74 said:
frontfloater said:
I consider myself a literate and articulate person, but today I learned a new word - dithyrambic - and from someone presumably not using English as his native language. Thank you Zeb, you educated me.
You're welcome, this is a word (dithyrambique) which is maybe more used in France, I have no credit.And then, as a linguist said, english is badly pronounced french
TVR = Quelquechose pour le weekend, n'est ce pas?
LucyP said:
How could it make it any worse?
Most people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
Ah Negative nannyMost people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
That may have been one top gear taking, but Clarksom praised the Cerbera, Tuscan, Jackie Stewart teaching James May to drive. There's many examples of praise rather than do your usual and concentrate on the negative.
Gazzab said:
Zeb74 said:
QBee said:
TVR = Quelquechose pour le weekend, n'est ce pas?
Sorry I don't get it... 
LucyP said:
How could it make it any worse?
Most people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
If TVR is so sMost people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
t , then why spend money buying the name and marketing it under the TVR name ? Why take on the tenancy of a pub that has just closed?
Because everyone thinks they can make a go of it and do better. Let's face it, Peter Wheeler didn't want TVR, he just invested money until he had no option but to make a go of it and get his money out. Luckily a gullible Russian came along in the early 00s.
Because everyone thinks they can make a go of it and do better. Let's face it, Peter Wheeler didn't want TVR, he just invested money until he had no option but to make a go of it and get his money out. Luckily a gullible Russian came along in the early 00s.
glow worm said:
LucyP said:
How could it make it any worse?
Most people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
If TVR is so sMost people don't even know what TVR is any more. "Old TVR" went bust nearly 20 years ago. You hardly ever see one on the road now, and only a few kids know about them from computer games.
If people do remember what a TVR is, they will remember it as being unreliable, (a) because it was often true and; (b) Clarkson said so. Kevin McCloud said on Top Gear that his Cerbera was the only car that he ever owned that dis-assembled itself. The former Stig, Ben Collins said that TVRs were the worst car he'd ever driven. Google "Stig TVR" and the Pistonheads entry about that is the first search result. Mud sticks.
And one swallow doesn't make a summer, as they say. So it would take more than one new model to change the long-held perceptions. And in reality, it wouldn't change the image of the old cars at all.
When you look at the new Rolls Royces produced by BMW costing nearly £1/2 million, you don't look at a 90's Silver Spirit, costing less than £15K, (generally with white ribbons on the bonnet and a bride in the back) and think wow, the 2024 Phantom makes me think differently about the 1992 wedding banger, do you?
When I saw a brand new Lotus Emira, parked next to a 20 year old Audi, and the Audi had much tighter panel gaps and less peeling paint than the Lotus, it just made me think - same old Lotus. Every magazine, online review etc. etc. lauded the new Emira, but how many have you seen on the road?
t , then why spend money buying the name and marketing it under the TVR name ? Gassing Station | General TVR Stuff & Gossip | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff