Questions re TVR v FERRARI
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Funny you should say that cos 1 of each is what I was thinking :-)
From my point of view I wanted to return to sportscar ownership. My budget this time round was £20k and I didnt want anything too old so a 2002 Tam was a great option. Plus I didnt to return to a Lotus or a boxster.
My point is if my budget is £40k-£50 next time round then what are we looking at here. A 911, a 355, a 360 or a SAGARIS?
From my point of view I wanted to return to sportscar ownership. My budget this time round was £20k and I didnt want anything too old so a 2002 Tam was a great option. Plus I didnt to return to a Lotus or a boxster.
My point is if my budget is £40k-£50 next time round then what are we looking at here. A 911, a 355, a 360 or a SAGARIS?
Yep, heart wants a ferrari 360, in black or silver blue.
I keep hearing them cos I live not too far from a ferrari garage. The noise they make while accelerating is a symphony. And the looks IMHO is the greatest ever in a car.
Simplicity of an achingly georgeous design, without stupid max power slats in the wing.
I don't even care what its performance is. I do care however that you can't get two children in it and negotiate country lanes with 4x4's on the school run comming the other way.
I keep hearing them cos I live not too far from a ferrari garage. The noise they make while accelerating is a symphony. And the looks IMHO is the greatest ever in a car.
Simplicity of an achingly georgeous design, without stupid max power slats in the wing.
I don't even care what its performance is. I do care however that you can't get two children in it and negotiate country lanes with 4x4's on the school run comming the other way.
right here DeeJay!
I bought a F355 new (no fool like a young fool) in 1996. I lost a lot of money on it and thought it too heavy and much too slow for the money. In fact the whole thing is a big con and a mistake I shan't be repeating. You can get suckered in by the whole great 'marque' thing. You'd think I'd have known better working in Advertising!
The Sagaris is many times the car to drive in terms of pure pleasure, chassis balance (really!) and sheer grin inducing performance. And that's without taking the price difference into account. The fact that you get a fully bespoke car from new from TVR for 50k is astonishing. I haven't driven an F360 or F430 but I'm sure they are a big improvement over the F355 dynamically, even if they are a huge step back in styling. I have never warmed to look of the hideous duck-faced F360 and if I'm spending a mortgage on a fast car it kind of helps if I can stand the sight of it!
Now lets just remind ourselves of the price of a new Ferrari F430, mmm 118,500 GBP basic! Considering how good and fast a car you can get for the 18,500, I'm not sure any car could be worth that much more.
Sure, if I had limitless wealth I'd most likely have a prancing horse in the garage but if I had that much money I wouldn't bother with anything less than the Enzo. Come to think of it, even then I think I'd take the new 630bhp Lamborghini Murcielago and spend the change on a Nissan Sklyine that would leave an Enzo quaking in it's 300 section boots. My favourite ferraris are the older ones. A mint 365BB or 512i (boxer) would be a very cool thing to arrive in and I don't think I'd ever tire of driving an F40. For pure looks though the 288 GTO takes a lot of beating. Looking at those cars now, how on earth could Ferrari have dropped the ball so badly in terms of styling?
I bought a F355 new (no fool like a young fool) in 1996. I lost a lot of money on it and thought it too heavy and much too slow for the money. In fact the whole thing is a big con and a mistake I shan't be repeating. You can get suckered in by the whole great 'marque' thing. You'd think I'd have known better working in Advertising!
The Sagaris is many times the car to drive in terms of pure pleasure, chassis balance (really!) and sheer grin inducing performance. And that's without taking the price difference into account. The fact that you get a fully bespoke car from new from TVR for 50k is astonishing. I haven't driven an F360 or F430 but I'm sure they are a big improvement over the F355 dynamically, even if they are a huge step back in styling. I have never warmed to look of the hideous duck-faced F360 and if I'm spending a mortgage on a fast car it kind of helps if I can stand the sight of it!
Now lets just remind ourselves of the price of a new Ferrari F430, mmm 118,500 GBP basic! Considering how good and fast a car you can get for the 18,500, I'm not sure any car could be worth that much more.
Sure, if I had limitless wealth I'd most likely have a prancing horse in the garage but if I had that much money I wouldn't bother with anything less than the Enzo. Come to think of it, even then I think I'd take the new 630bhp Lamborghini Murcielago and spend the change on a Nissan Sklyine that would leave an Enzo quaking in it's 300 section boots. My favourite ferraris are the older ones. A mint 365BB or 512i (boxer) would be a very cool thing to arrive in and I don't think I'd ever tire of driving an F40. For pure looks though the 288 GTO takes a lot of beating. Looking at those cars now, how on earth could Ferrari have dropped the ball so badly in terms of styling?
the pits said:
right here DeeJay!
I bought a F355 new (no fool like a young fool) in 1996. I lost a lot of money on it and thought it too heavy and much too slow for the money. In fact the whole thing is a big con and a mistake I shan't be repeating. You can get suckered in by the whole great 'marque' thing. You'd think I'd have known better working in Advertising!
The Sagaris is many times the car to drive in terms of pure pleasure, chassis balance (really!) and sheer grin inducing performance. And that's without taking the price difference into account. The fact that you get a fully bespoke car from new from TVR for 50k is astonishing. I haven't driven an F360 or F430 but I'm sure they are a big improvement over the F355 dynamically, even if they are a huge step back in styling. I have never warmed to look of the hideous duck-faced F360 and if I'm spending a mortgage on a fast car it kind of helps if I can stand the sight of it!
Now lets just remind ourselves of the price of a new Ferrari F430, mmm 118,500 GBP basic! Considering how good and fast a car you can get for the 18,500, I'm not sure any car could be worth that much more.
Sure, if I had limitless wealth I'd most likely have a prancing horse in the garage but if I had that much money I wouldn't bother with anything less than the Enzo. Come to think of it, even then I think I'd take the new 630bhp Lamborghini Murcielago and spend the change on a Nissan Sklyine that would leave an Enzo quaking in it's 300 section boots. My favourite ferraris are the older ones. A mint 365BB or 512i (boxer) would be a very cool thing to arrive in and I don't think I'd ever tire of driving an F40. For pure looks though the 288 GTO takes a lot of beating. Looking at those cars now, how on earth could Ferrari have dropped the ball so badly in terms of styling?
I dunno, all that beating about the bush
Say what you mean man!
jo5eph said:
Do any TVR owners aspire to one day trading in thier beast for a Ferrari? Or is it more a question of value for money? Of those who can afford one do you simply prefer TVR and if so why? Would be interested to hear your thoughts especially from those who have owned both marques.
Why would I want something slower (355 and earlier, or ugly 360 and later), less practical and more expensive to run in which everyone will look at me a think I'm a tosser? Are you mad?
If I could have a 355 spider (or a classic California, GTO, etc.) and a Griff, that would be OK. Sell the Griff for a Ferrari? Not effing likely!
Ian A.
>> Edited by IPAddis on Monday 13th March 14:09
If you drive Ferraris they cost lots. Milage totally ruins their retained value. They break down with the same frequency as TVR's and they cost twice as much. Might tolerate unreliability (to a degree if I spent £50k) but not £120k.
Many friends have bought Ferraris but after one to many horror story I decided that mere peasants could not afford the running costs and depreciation.
I look at them and think 'nice car', but my TVR beats it hollow on performance and if it goes wrong my engine rebuild is £4k not £24k, plus my service is about £500 not £5k.
If money was no object it would be a Lamborghini but in the real world it's TVR's I'm afraid.
Many friends have bought Ferraris but after one to many horror story I decided that mere peasants could not afford the running costs and depreciation.
I look at them and think 'nice car', but my TVR beats it hollow on performance and if it goes wrong my engine rebuild is £4k not £24k, plus my service is about £500 not £5k.
If money was no object it would be a Lamborghini but in the real world it's TVR's I'm afraid.
BigGriff said:
If money was no object it would be a Lamborghini but in the real world it's TVR's I'm afraid.
Here here!
Was looking at a 911 at the weekend on autotrader....my missus said "no! the tvr looks a lot better!" still was tempted for the practicality and reliability but know for sure I'd be down in the looks dept....porsche..lovely but common as sh1te.........P is for Practical, O is for Outrageous, R is for Reliable, S is for Stunning C H & E is for Common Heap of Excrement! Sorry getting a bit bored at work
>> Edited by woody-oTT on Monday 13th March 14:44
jo5eph said:
Do any TVR owners aspire to one day trading in thier beast for a Ferrari? Or is it more a question of value for money? Of those who can afford one do you simply prefer TVR and if so why? Would be interested to hear your thoughts especially from those who have owned both marques.
I'd love a ferrari as well.........
BUT on close inspection, they are too WIDE.........
mid engined is part of the problem, for 430,355,360, but even 456, 550,etc are to big, for most of the roads I drive down.
B
Suppose I swapped my T350 for a 360-what would I get.
Comparable speed and handling....perhaps
Comparable reliability- but with a weaker warranty and way higher costs
Loss on exclusivity as ferarri's are mass produced and TIV's are more scarce
Loss of beauty and charm-the T350 is far better styled than a Ferry especially the interior
Loss of fun
and
For the price of 360 I could have a T350,and a Tuscan or a Cerbie- a choice of exclusive English supercars for the same money.
Honestly - no comparison
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 13th March 14:52
Comparable speed and handling....perhaps
Comparable reliability- but with a weaker warranty and way higher costs
Loss on exclusivity as ferarri's are mass produced and TIV's are more scarce
Loss of beauty and charm-the T350 is far better styled than a Ferry especially the interior
Loss of fun
and
For the price of 360 I could have a T350,and a Tuscan or a Cerbie- a choice of exclusive English supercars for the same money.
Honestly - no comparison
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 13th March 14:52
Tried Porsches. Last one only lasted 12 weeks (and that was the full blown 400+ bhp turbo nutter version). Went back to a TVR (again)!
Clarkson summed it up nicely when he likened the noise to two fat lesbians making love in bucket (apologies to any fat lesbians with bucket fetishes!). Dancing Donkey's sound nice admittedly but I will stick to my Tiv.
R
Clarkson summed it up nicely when he likened the noise to two fat lesbians making love in bucket (apologies to any fat lesbians with bucket fetishes!). Dancing Donkey's sound nice admittedly but I will stick to my Tiv.
R
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