RE: TVR Phoenix project arises
RE: TVR Phoenix project arises
Tuesday 4th July 2006

TVR Phoenix project arises

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Project Phoenix
Project Phoenix

If you ever thought that the TVR Cerbera was under-powered, read this story of one owner who thought so too.

The Phoenix, a two-year-long controversial project much discussed on PistonHeads' forums in recent years, is finally becoming reality. The project has been extremely ambitious from the first day the owner, PHer SXS (Mo Ash), put his dream down on paper – a TVR pushing out over 1,000bhp as a road-legal daily ride and drag-racing monster.

Fast and furious, the car's pretty quick as standard. Immense acceleration comes from TVR’s own engine -- a flatplane 4.5-litre SOHC 16v V8 producing in excess of 400bhp -- mounted in a lightweight spaceframe tubular chassis clothed in hand-laid glassfibre and hand-stitched four-seat interior. The car quite easily tops 180mph.

But this wasn't enough for the owner of this Cerbera, which was destined to become the Phoenix. So he harnessed the know-how of Austec Racing and starting changing things...

Engine

The engine has been stroked and bored from 4.5-litres to six litres -- and will be supercharged. The heads have been raised nearly two inches to accommodate the longer stroke using billet heat-treated plates with custom water-channels, and the compression ratio configured at 8:1.

The engine has practically been rebuilt. It includes custom designed and built conrods from Carrillo and pistons from JE, a heavily modified block -- it's now symmetrical where once the block extended to the side to hold the pump assembly -- and Nikasil liners. The bottom end has been modified to hold four-bolt and crossbolted main-caps CNC’d from a raw billet of high-content nickel-aluminium bronze -- and there's a custom-built steel crankshaft. A six-stage dry-sump oil system akin to those used in Nascar racers -- the pump is second to none -- was made by Weiss Racing. And, at the top, the heads have been ported and strengthened. Electric steering and water-cooling are added extras.

A centrifugal supercharger supplies the forced induction with a maximum boost of 38psi, although in this application it will be set at 28psi. For just that extra tiuckle of boost, it also boasts NOS induction intake cooling and dual-stage methanol/alcohol injection as well as a charge-cooled intake system. Shovelling fuel into this hungry beast will be achieved utilising a 16-injector dual stage fuel system, fired by a race-specification ignition system using a high-power coil and reserve coil per cylinder.

Body and transmission

The drivetrain utilises a six-speed manual ZF box, mated to custom developed driveshafts and propshaft, yoked to a custom developed Sean Hyland 8.5-inch differential designed to handle at least 800lb-ft. The owner has plans for a custom automatic transmission available for drag-racing along with drag-racing wheels and shocks. No concerns here then.

The contracted bodyshop CS/CDT has taken pains to develop the new body for increased rigidity and aerodynamics. As the pictures show, this is not a body-kit, the body was hand-shaped using techniques employed in high-speed lightweight race-boat building to meet the owner's stringent design requirements -- scribbled on a dozen A4 sheets of paper.

The 19-inch wheels were custom made by an American company using T6 forged mil-spec aluminium, strong and extremely light. The tyres for road use are made by Bridgestone in the size 345 wide rear and 295 wide front.

Current status

  • Body development complete
  • Engine development complete
  • Engine build in progress
  • Engine on dyno testing very soon

Ash estimates the final numbers will look like this:

  • 250mph+ (drivetrain configured for 276mph max)
  • Weight @ 900kg excluding driver
  • In excess of 1,000bhp (initially to start at low boost and progressively wind up boost + NOS and meth injection as engine goes through its dyno-testing)

So there we have it, soon, very soon, the TVR Phoenix will be on our roads for all to see and hear. And how will the power get to the tarmac? Ash said: “We’ll make it work. Austec Racing will make this dream a reality even if it means re-writing the books.”

When the owner was asked if he had any questions for us, he replied “What colour should she be?”

The next news release will be a detailed pictorial of the engine and internals – read it first only here on Pistonheads!

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bennno

Original Poster:

15,238 posts

298 months

Tuesday 4th July 2006
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I am saying nothing

Bennno

Edited by bennno on Tuesday 4th July 10:06

jellison

12,803 posts

306 months

Tuesday 4th July 2006
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Nice one ASH - Just staying on the right side of restraint - Just.

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Tuesday 4th July 2006
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Holy Moley!!

Bloody marvelous!!

mongoose

4,360 posts

284 months

Tuesday 4th July 2006
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,Just astounding

the dodger

2,376 posts

292 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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I just BET this never gets off the ground - or turns a wheel in earnest. I think it's just what it is - a Project.

I don't know who he is or where this is happening but I bet it's not an Englishman in the UK. 0-100 in under 4.5 secs My Ar$e! What's that smell......?

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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chris watton

22,547 posts

289 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Was there really any need for that vindictive statement? How crass!.. and why??

chimi500

307 posts

288 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Nice one

GingerNinja

3,989 posts

287 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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the dodger said:
I just BET this never gets off the ground - or turns a wheel in earnest. I think it's just what it is - a Project.

I don't know who he is or where this is happening but I bet it's not an Englishman in the UK. 0-100 in under 4.5 secs My Ar$e! What's that smell......?


I believe it's the smell of troll.

dinkel

27,779 posts

287 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Gazboy said:
. . . read some of the Cerbera forum threads.


That's about the only place to find info . . . still I must have that engine bay shot, please.

richb

56,259 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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the dodger said:
I just BET this never gets off the ground - or turns a wheel in earnest. I think it's just what it is - a Project.

I don't know who he is or where this is happening but I bet it's not an Englishman in the UK. 0-100 in under 4.5 secs My Ar$e! What's that smell......?
IS that sour grapes from the man who calls himself an international playboy but sounds like an envious kid

Redtuscan

230 posts

275 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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I think that the question that Dodger should have asked is this:

"TVR couldn't make the 88obhp Cerbera Speed 12 work on the road, nor the considerably less powerful Typhon. For all its power, Boss Cerbera's Cerbera did not come anywhere close to winning the test that I saw it take part, in Autocar magazine. Why do you think that your project will be any different?"

TJW

3,848 posts

276 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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bennno said:


I am saying nothing

Bennno

Edited by bennno on Tuesday 4th July 10:06



Then why start a thread that has already started! NOOB

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Redtuscan said:
I think that the question that Dodger should have asked is this:

"TVR couldn't make the 88obhp Cerbera Speed 12 work on the road, nor the considerably less powerful Typhon. For all its power, Boss Cerbera's Cerbera did not come anywhere close to winning the test that I saw it take part, in Autocar magazine. Why do you think that your project will be any different?"


Maybe Ash's car isn't intended to be a road legal race car (like the Speed 12 was) and isn't trying to win whatever Autocar test that is you're talking about. It seems reasonable to judge Ash's work on its own merit. It's a different car, done by a different person for a different reason. So the outcome will probably be different.

_DeeJay_

5,057 posts

283 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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GreenV8S said:
Redtuscan said:
I think that the question that Dodger should have asked is this:

"TVR couldn't make the 88obhp Cerbera Speed 12 work on the road, nor the considerably less powerful Typhon. For all its power, Boss Cerbera's Cerbera did not come anywhere close to winning the test that I saw it take part, in Autocar magazine. Why do you think that your project will be any different?"


Maybe Ash's car isn't intended to be a road legal race car (like the Speed 12 was) and isn't trying to win whatever Autocar test that is you're talking about. It seems reasonable to judge Ash's work on its own merit. It's a different car, done by a different person for a different reason. So the outcome will probably be different.


Rumour has it the Typhon overheated, and PW considered the Speed12 too much of a handful for your 'average driver' so didn't produce it.
The BossCerb was meant to be the ultimate factory Cerb, which it is.

I'm not sure how any of that relates to Ash's car. It'll no doubt be a handful on the road, and not a daily driver so will be designed to meet a different set of requirements to the TVR attempts.

V8S

8,582 posts

266 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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I've read about this project on and off since I came to these forums. Ash has had some setbacks but what he seems to want to achieve is the car of his dreams and he's willing to try rather than just talking about it.

I think that requires a

Steve_T

6,356 posts

301 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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I spoke to Samuelson a long time ago at Back Home. He said the Speed 12 was pretty much undrivable on rubber designed to last more than 2 hours. It had so much torque it could light the tyres up in any gear with barely a wiff of throttle. Even allowing for a bit of an inflated story, this can't be that far from the truth.

Steve.

richb

56,259 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Redtuscan said:
I think that the question that Dodger should have asked is...
That may be the question Dodger should have asked but you are obviously more eloquent that he is! I haven't been following this project either but good luck to the owner, Ash. Dodger's just wadded in, admitted he knows nothing about the project and made himself sound ridiculous clearly with an axe to grind.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

301 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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One angle would be that the car could be geared for when the blower is working and therefore more manageable through pulling taller gears without the blower. In whatever form though, it'll have quite a bit of torque.

markh

2,781 posts

304 months

Wednesday 5th July 2006
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Could aways enter it for the Turner Prize, strange thing usualy win it