My S6's engine has left the building....
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Well guys..it had to happen. After many many months (nearly one) and thousands of miles (700 actually) my S6 went pop last night. 
Bear in mind I was running the f***er in, as it had the head changed at Blackpool at 11,000 miles. Is it unreasonable to think any work done by the factory should last more than one month and 700 miles?
I would like to think I could make the dealer take the car back, but my solicitor has told me it is very difficult to win this type of case.I am just totally and utterly devastated. I went £10,000 over budget to buy the car of my dreams (my only car) and this what happens....life stinks as someone once said!
I know some(most?) of you have experience of cars going back, so what is likely to happen? Will it be codged up again or the engine replaced? (Sounds like something on the bottom end has let go).Must admit I was tempted to rev it to destruction to ensure fitment of new engine, but could'nt bring myself to do it.
Before anyone starts, yes I know I was encouraging people to stop knocking TVR a couple of weeks back, I'm not really knocking them now (b@$t@rds!) because they make stunning cars, and I still think, reliability aside, the S6 is their best engine (can't believe I just typed that!) and after having had the privilege of driving the car (albeit for only a month) I just can't see me buying anything else.....for those of you thinking of taking the plunge, trust me NOTHING comes close.Please don't let threads like this put anyone off Cerbera ownership.....there are probably ten good cars for every crap one. I picked the crap one!
Yeah,yeah, I know, all together now, I TOLD YOU SO!
Now where did I put that Porsche brochure?
Bear in mind I was running the f***er in, as it had the head changed at Blackpool at 11,000 miles. Is it unreasonable to think any work done by the factory should last more than one month and 700 miles?
I would like to think I could make the dealer take the car back, but my solicitor has told me it is very difficult to win this type of case.I am just totally and utterly devastated. I went £10,000 over budget to buy the car of my dreams (my only car) and this what happens....life stinks as someone once said!
I know some(most?) of you have experience of cars going back, so what is likely to happen? Will it be codged up again or the engine replaced? (Sounds like something on the bottom end has let go).Must admit I was tempted to rev it to destruction to ensure fitment of new engine, but could'nt bring myself to do it.
Before anyone starts, yes I know I was encouraging people to stop knocking TVR a couple of weeks back, I'm not really knocking them now (b@$t@rds!) because they make stunning cars, and I still think, reliability aside, the S6 is their best engine (can't believe I just typed that!) and after having had the privilege of driving the car (albeit for only a month) I just can't see me buying anything else.....for those of you thinking of taking the plunge, trust me NOTHING comes close.Please don't let threads like this put anyone off Cerbera ownership.....there are probably ten good cars for every crap one. I picked the crap one!
Yeah,yeah, I know, all together now, I TOLD YOU SO!
Now where did I put that Porsche brochure?
Hazy, what can I say that hasnt been said/shouted by you over the last 12 hours or so.
In fact the only thing I can muster is 'Bad luck old boy, now back AWAY from the Porsche brochure...'
Seriously though, thats bad, be it luck or workmanship I wouldnt wish loss of pride and joy on anyone.
Bet you all the grief dissolves away within 5 minutes of getting it back though.
Chin up!
Matt.
In fact the only thing I can muster is 'Bad luck old boy, now back AWAY from the Porsche brochure...'
Seriously though, thats bad, be it luck or workmanship I wouldnt wish loss of pride and joy on anyone.
Bet you all the grief dissolves away within 5 minutes of getting it back though.
Chin up!
Matt.
Very sorry to hear of anyone experiencing such difficulties - irrespective of the make of car.
I suppose we can hope that TVR are not doing it deliberately (you could almost beleive there was some kind of engine sharing scheme going on here! i.e. more cars sold than good engines available) and for the sake of their own finances, the reliability is nearly sorted.
Marcus
& Ocean Haze Griff 500
I suppose we can hope that TVR are not doing it deliberately (you could almost beleive there was some kind of engine sharing scheme going on here! i.e. more cars sold than good engines available) and for the sake of their own finances, the reliability is nearly sorted.
Marcus
& Ocean Haze Griff 500
Just spent 1100 miles running in a 6 (<3500rpm), no problems. Told by TVR sales person that 6s past reliability problems was due to a certain GERMAN (no names) produced component, and if it was going to go it would have by now (said person did not sell me mine). Since traced and rectified. Blackpool induced? Sorry to hear news.
Please lets not get onto a debate about the relative merits of the Speed Six engine.
All amnufacturers have the occasional engine problem, the first few, and it wasnt an insignificant figure 2.8 Audi lumps as used in the A6 were all manufacturer with holes in them, it can happen to any manufacturer.
Also before anyone jumps I know there have been problems with finger followers etc on a number of cars but this does inevitably lead us to the 'I was in Blackpool two weeks ago and you couldnt see the tower for the 25,000 speed six lumps that were spilling out of the factory' ar$e.
They're stressed, they're effectively boutique style engines that are borne from race engineers, they're gonna have problems now and again. Not to take anything away from your plight though Hazy, I empathise I really do.
Matt.
All amnufacturers have the occasional engine problem, the first few, and it wasnt an insignificant figure 2.8 Audi lumps as used in the A6 were all manufacturer with holes in them, it can happen to any manufacturer.
Also before anyone jumps I know there have been problems with finger followers etc on a number of cars but this does inevitably lead us to the 'I was in Blackpool two weeks ago and you couldnt see the tower for the 25,000 speed six lumps that were spilling out of the factory' ar$e.
They're stressed, they're effectively boutique style engines that are borne from race engineers, they're gonna have problems now and again. Not to take anything away from your plight though Hazy, I empathise I really do.
Matt.
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I would like to think I could make the dealer take the car back, but my solicitor has told me it is very difficult to win this type of case.
Why ? The car is new and has not, presumably, had any "unauthorised" work done on it but is now undriveable. I'm not a lawyer, but I have rejected a car (Porsche 964, I know, I know...) in the past. The argument was that, under the sale of goods act, a car which, after only a few hundred miles, cannot be driven is not "fit for purpose." Unless you are happy to have the car repaired I would have thought this approach merited further attention.
I'm very sorry to hear of your problems with the car, I'd assumed that the early problems would have been sorted by now - but then how can one tell if there's a general reliability issue or if it's just your car.
On a totally unrelated issue, are you William Hayes's grandson (couldn't access your website and I may be putting 2 and 2 together to make 7) ? As a small child, more years ago than I care to remember, I went on a chara (err, coach) trip in a Hayes coach from the West Midlands (we were staying in Walsall at the time.) If not please ignore my ramblings
! Yours, Jon Dokic
Sorry to hear about it Hazy, I have the same (99V cerbie speed six in yellow) had two engine rebuilds in a year and countless other problems. I think it broke down about 15 times in one year it was a complete and utter nightmare, in the end the leasing company took the car back and have now sold it on to some other poor unsuspecting b*&^%$d. The soloution was to buy a 4.5 and be done with it in 20k and one year no worries !!!
For what its worth my advice would be to get rid as soon as poss !!!
incedently the bills added up to about 25k in the end thank christ for warranties!!!!
Edited by jna on Wednesday 16th January 12:24
For what its worth my advice would be to get rid as soon as poss !!!
incedently the bills added up to about 25k in the end thank christ for warranties!!!!
Edited by jna on Wednesday 16th January 12:24
OK, I can't read MikeyT. Ignore all of the above (ie. my previous post) and just chase TVR to do a decent job of mending it then, perhaps, you should consider getting rid. My son had an Alfa which he just had mended and mended and mended, without it ever reaching properly sorted...
thom, are you trying to goad the Tiv owners into an argument ? If so, why ?
Yours, Jon Dokic
Edited by jondokic on Wednesday 16th January 12:30
thom, are you trying to goad the Tiv owners into an argument ? If so, why ?
Yours, Jon Dokic
Edited by jondokic on Wednesday 16th January 12:30
Hazy,
As you may know, same happened to me in early December in my Speed Six Cerbera.
Here's what has happened so far.
The engine gets removed by the garage (and they have to put it back when it comes back) Cost about £1000.
So far Blackpool have had my engine for 6 weeks, they reackon it will be back with the garage at the end of this week.
The Cerbera is also my only car so I have had to rent for the last 6 weeks as the oh so understanding garage that sold me the car less than 8 months ago have failed to offer me a run around. Cost of hiring car £500.
Once the engine is back I have to run it in again and then take it back for an engine service and tappets adjusted... cost £???
Not good... not happy.... at least TVR have verbally said that they would pay for the engine rebuild... to start off with I was looking at paying for that as well !
Lets hope they sort these S6 problems out once and for all this time !
As you may know, same happened to me in early December in my Speed Six Cerbera.
Here's what has happened so far.
The engine gets removed by the garage (and they have to put it back when it comes back) Cost about £1000.
So far Blackpool have had my engine for 6 weeks, they reackon it will be back with the garage at the end of this week.
The Cerbera is also my only car so I have had to rent for the last 6 weeks as the oh so understanding garage that sold me the car less than 8 months ago have failed to offer me a run around. Cost of hiring car £500.
Once the engine is back I have to run it in again and then take it back for an engine service and tappets adjusted... cost £???
Not good... not happy.... at least TVR have verbally said that they would pay for the engine rebuild... to start off with I was looking at paying for that as well !
Lets hope they sort these S6 problems out once and for all this time !
Hazy, I am sorry to read these sad news. Since I test drove the Tamora, I am fascinated by the Speed 6 engine. However, I am patiently waiting for the factory to sort out this mess, as my pockets are not deep enough to put up with such unexpected costs. I really hope they get it right soon i) on your own car ii) for all other Speed6 engined cars.
Regards
Roms
Antigua Blue Chimaera 450
MCC Smart Passion Grey with Bungee Red interior ;o)
Regards
Roms
Antigua Blue Chimaera 450
MCC Smart Passion Grey with Bungee Red interior ;o)
Thanks for the support and advice guys..its much appreciated. Lets hope the dealer offers the same support ay?.......they have made all the right noises so far though.
Mike.....no warning, 3000 rpm,200yds (luckily) away from home, sudden harsh rattle (quiet on tickover) like a lollypop stick in the wheel of a pushbike.Remember that on your Grifter...cool!. Had'nt been belting it or nothing, as I said I had been told to run it in.
Jon.....yes I am William Hayes's grandson, he died when I was a baby though. You may know my Dad Alan (everyone calls him Sam).
Bandit..... was yours a top end or bottom end failure? Are they replacing the engine wholesale?
Bennno (when you arrive).....be gentle. I did'nt mean to take the pi$$ out of your Porker really mate. Honest I did'nt
Now where's the icon for :suicidal:
Mike.....no warning, 3000 rpm,200yds (luckily) away from home, sudden harsh rattle (quiet on tickover) like a lollypop stick in the wheel of a pushbike.Remember that on your Grifter...cool!. Had'nt been belting it or nothing, as I said I had been told to run it in.
Jon.....yes I am William Hayes's grandson, he died when I was a baby though. You may know my Dad Alan (everyone calls him Sam).
Bandit..... was yours a top end or bottom end failure? Are they replacing the engine wholesale?
Bennno (when you arrive).....be gentle. I did'nt mean to take the pi$$ out of your Porker really mate. Honest I did'nt
Now where's the icon for :suicidal:
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