RE: TVR Speed Six gets reliability pack
RE: TVR Speed Six gets reliability pack
Wednesday 22nd June 2005

TVR Speed Six gets reliability pack

Engineers boost powerplant's dependability


TVR Speed Six gets reliability package
TVR Speed Six gets reliability package
Independent performance engineering company Autocraft SVE has launched a reliability package for the TVR Speed 6 engine in concert with the powerplant's original designer, Melling Consultancy Design (MCD).

When TVR wanted to develop its own motive power, it commissioned MCD to design an engine to meet the company’s performance parameters. The end product was a six cylinder in-line DOHC unit, now known as the Speed 6. Autocraft SVE said that detail differences remain between the production version and the unit originally penned by MCD designer Al Melling.

However, since the commissioning of the Speed 6, some owners have reported reliability issues with this engine -- many here on PistonHeads.

Salisbury-based Autocraft SVE and MCD have agreed to offer a performance and reliability upgrade package for these engines. The replacement components and modifications procedures address problems that have surfaced with the TVR specification engine, particularly within the cylinder head, valve train and cam shaft oiling areas.

Autocraft SVE said it would only supply components designed, specified and approved by MCD, and that the components it adds will be identified as such to show their origins. Furthermore, complete records of engines treated with the Autocraft SVE/MCD approved package will be maintained in order to support warranty claims should they arise.

Autocraft also said it offers a 12,000 mile transferable warranty on the upgrade, with extensible warranties also being available, and reckoned that its package adds value to the car because of the involvement and approval of MCD.

All that said, it's worth wondering why it's taken this long, given that the Speed Six has been out for over five years -- and how many cars remain out there that have not had some form of remedial work already performed on their engines.

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Mats

Original Poster:

252 posts

271 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Great news for us existing Speed 6 owners. The questions are however; I wonder what TVR's stance will be on this? Does it give existing owners something to go back to TVR with if their Speed 6 engine goes "POP"? Will the Speed 6 engines that TVR now build for their newer models be completely fault free? One has to wonder....

Cheers

lucozade

2,574 posts

308 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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The engine was flawed as soon as it was released.

I suspect TVR can't fix them all because of the costs involved. However it would be nice for them to recognise the issue and offer some kind of assistance. Although I very much doubt they will.

Should gives dealers another avenue to go down when they can't stop the engines going "bang" too. But offering forecourt cars with the upgrades/changes would certainly boost confidence.

nervous

24,050 posts

259 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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anyone know how much money/ what increase in reliability and performance were talking about?

19560

14,332 posts

287 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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"Autocraft SVE sad that detail differences remain between the production version and the unit originally penned by MCD designer Al Melling."
Typing error?? Hmmm, sad or said???????

Pies

13,116 posts

285 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Sounds good to me,currently a non S6 owner.To me it has the advantage of being able to knock down the price of a S6 car which has not had a mod

P.S as nervous said any idea on price

groucho

12,134 posts

275 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Why can't TVR build the engines to the same spec as these? or is there some copyright thingy going on.

Cyberhuss

923 posts

264 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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nervous said:
anyone know how much money


Think its around £4950 + VAT fitted, for the "reliability package"

groucho

12,134 posts

275 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Does this imply that the S6 is still unreliable? Not trying to wind anybody up here, but I am thinking about getting one and the more I'm clued up the better.

Nickccc

1,682 posts

277 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Not being a speed six owner, (mighty V8 for me) I wonder what this will do for the dealers.

What I mean is if my lump went wrong, (I refer to an out of waranty car) and I was faced with a factory rebuild, or the Atoucraft pack, then I think Autocrafts deal is the better one.
Firstly they have the origional designer, or one of them on board.
Secondly your car will have been upgraded to the origional design, which must be the way to go.

This is only bad news for TVR as far as I am concerned, I mean pay out anything up to 30ish grand for a car that the manufactures can't fix?
I was at the dealers the other day joking with the mechanic, that I would not be surprised if TVR joined forces with Craft, as they are not doing rebuilds at the factory.
Well if they let P James go then anything is possible.
I am still a TVR nut, but this stuff is not good for future customers, or existing ones come to that.
Nick

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Good idea....

.... but can I mention spelling to anyone?....

Nickccc

1,682 posts

277 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Mate spelling would be the last thing on your mind, if you have S6 problems.
Lets keep on topic.

Mr Freefall

2,323 posts

287 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Nickccc said:
Mate spelling would be the last thing on your mind, if you have S6 problems.
Lets keep on topic.


All that said, it's worth wondering why it's taken this long, given that the Speed Siz has


Just one more for typo's

nervous

24,050 posts

259 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Cyberhuss said:

nervous said:
anyone know how much money



Think its around £4950 + VAT fitted, for the "reliability package"


good god, does that strike anybody else as a LOT of cash?? i know that a rebuild is that sort of money, but to expect customers to be able to afford to roll up and say 'yes please' to that as an 'upgrade' seems unlikely. or am i being shortsighted?

of course, if it is being marketed as an alternate repair for when things have already gone pop then its more reasonable, but I'm guessing in that eventuality that'll there will be additional costs for the other damaged bits and pieces. factor that in to the cost and its looking like a pretty expensive fix to me, especially if its only guaranteed for 12 months.

not very lucid this i know, but it strikes me that you could get a really really good warranty for much less than this and then suggest to the warranty company to send the car there if/ when all goes breasts north.

great news though, just wish it were cheaper cos id have it done in a flash.

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Who are they, Autocraft or TVRcraft?

chris watton

22,547 posts

289 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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Am I the only one who thinks that £5-6K for a 'just in case' measure is a little OTT???????
Even if you had this done, how much value would it put on the car, not £5-6K I'd wager!
Nice idea, but too expensive, more so if you think you could almost buy a new one with the part ex you already have!

atco

16 posts

255 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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I thought that Al Melling did most of the conceptial work and that TVR developed the engine ie the viscous damper, revised block casting etc. I would rather let TVR rebuild rather that another supplier with small amount of in service experance.

dans

1,155 posts

313 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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I am not sure if it is allowed to mention finger followers on here but I assume this gives the engine a rebuild including replacing the said parts with some which are properly made rather than the ones which appear to have been made under a cost cutting regime. Other than those bits the S6 is an utterly brilliant engine, powerful, torquey, great sounding and with lots of power from the size. It should have been a legend, and if fixed it could still be

If MCD has fixed that problem I'd love an S6 engined car, especially as you can get one for comparatively little even taking into account the rebuild.

tannertime

294 posts

269 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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TVR Craft (a mktg name only - parent company is Autocraft SVE) currently have my S6 Cerb and are carrying out the work (partly) detailed above. I have spent considerable time speaking with the guys at Autocraft and a couple of PHers who have assisted in the devlopment of the work which they are carrying out.

I'm not looking at this as an upgrade, the valve guides were showing signs of wear (using 1 litre of oil per 500 miles) so I'm taking the opportunity to have the top end re-engineered to the original spec including a couple of mods that were part of the original MCD design.

Nervous - drop me a line through my profile and I'll fill you in with some more detail if you're interested.

JT

plug

1,136 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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My speed 6 has gone pop again(cam followers) six months after a rebuid for the same problem, I would be intrested in this upgrade but I am hoping TVR will pay for it this time. The price for this upgrade is fairly reasonable compared to the £5,000 cost of a rebuild, 6 mounths warrenty with TVR plus the weeks/months with the car of the road.

>> Edited by plug on Wednesday 22 June 18:45

plug

1,136 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2005
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I have been driving very carefully all road use no tracks, I don't think it has been revved over 5 or 5 1/2 rpm. The upgrade could be the answer but the dealer and I want power to cover the costs as it is just out of warrenty by a week or so. I think that the dodgy batch of followers they had was pretty big.

>> Edited by plug on Wednesday 22 June 19:49