yellow stuff brake pads

[MrAbramovich]

I'm running Ebc Red in a Murcielago and I use the brakes hard and they are really good and the best bit about them is you can have a good 200 mile hoon and there is very light brake dust on the wheels, never known a pad not to give so little dust out with heavy use..

again, I've got Ebc Green in a RR Sport and they bite really well and also very low brake dust,

hope that helps !

[nicke999]

this is a little review on these pads fitted to a Aston Martin DB9 s

AM pads - went through both front and rears at 10,000 miles, thats with one track day. yellow stuff pads still going strong, i will replace at 16,000 (with 2 track days and some high speed stuff in Europe) (done 13,000 so far in them) very little brake dust, great feel, good at low speed and high speed, and none of that squeaking noise going on.

costs AM £452.8 vs yellows £243.8 (pads alone) ----- per mile AM 45p vs yellows 15p per mile

nick

[parapaul]

Interesting comments about the Yellowstuff pads - I chose the Redstuff for my car based on EBC's comments, and I also knew a couple of people who had fitted Redstuff and were happy with them. I've done about 8000 miles on mine and they're superb, very little fade, nice progressive bite and good performance even when cold.

If I had the luxury of a 'weekend' car I'd have no hesitation fitting Yellowstuff, but for a daily driver, Redstuff are excellent.

I'll have a look at the Pagid pads next time though, especially if they're kinder to the discs!

[shalmaneser]

andy_s said:

EBC had a bit of bad press about the yellows a while back but changed the compound - someone from the company picked up the various comments and explained that the pads were now better than before and sent out a few free samples to half a dozen or so PHers for a no strings free trial - all the reports back were very positive. I'll be trying them next time and see how they fair compared to the mintex 1144s.

I was well impressed with the Mintex pads too, certainly better than the greenstuff on my 205.

Have heard Pagid and Ferrodo are good also.

[Easty-5]

I came across this which is pretty useful -



Although a full race material and capable of high temperature use with very good wear life, this new formulation sets a new trend in race type brake pad compounds that can be used on the highway. The “bite” from cold is superb which is uncommon with race materials (normally requiring warm-up) and makes this a pad which can be safely used on both street and track. This new formulation has been used by numerous championship race and rally drivers and is truly a milestone in brake pad material development. Nominal friction coefficient 0.5 with zero rotor damage and similar dust to original pads.




This material is a Kevlar® fibre based brake compound enhanced with ceramic particles. If you have previously tried EBC redstuff (pre-ceramic compound) this material is light years ahead. It lasts longer, it brakes better and is quieter. Being a hard wearing pad, bed-in times can be as long as 1000 miles and drivers must be patient until the pad takes up the shape of their disc (brake rotor).


This is a truly impressive fast road pad for repeated heavy braking. It emits far less dust than semi-metallic pads and has been proven to stop a passenger car/sedan/sport compact/hot hatch 13 metres quicker than OEM pads from 100mph/160kph. Features EBC Brake-In surface coating which conditions rotor surface and accelerates pad bed-in. Nominal friction coefficient 0.5 with approx. 50% dust reduction compared to other pads.

[John Galt]

TOENHEEL said:

Busa_Rush said:

I wouldn't put EBC on a bicycle let alone a car. Pagid might cost more but are in a different league. Ferrodo also do some useful pads and a bit cheaper than Pagid.

A lot of people would disagree with you there, after changing the compound the majority say they are a great pad. Im inclined to agree, once warmed up they perform very very well.

But a hell of a lot more people would agree with him, including me. I'm finding it quite surprising that a motoring forum is by-and-large recommending EBC pads. Just a quick search through some other highly populated online car forums (including GTR.co.uk, evolutionm.com, lancerregister.com, dsmtuners.com, and many others) gives a very different picture of EBC pads, regardless of compound. In a nutshell, they are just not fit for purpose.

I had yellows on my Evo when I bought the car last year. I figured I'd give them a shot; surely they can't be as bad as people make out? After one trackday, they not only did they fade severely, but they chewed up my front discs. I didn't even trust them on the road, as they were useless from cold, with no feel whatsoever.

To give a comparison, I had Carbotech XP9's on my previous Evo. Now, look on the aforementioned forums and see the tide of positive comments about them. And it's not mass-hysteria, either. It's hard to express how good the Carbotechs are, especially in comparison to the EBC's. With no other change in brake setup (standard callipers & discs, braided lines, Motul fluid), I had no fade, lap after lap. More biting power at ALL temperatures. Progressive feel through the pressure range. I could go on and on....

The point I'm trying to make is this: do your research, guys. I honestly wouldn't use EBC pads again if I got them for free. The Ferodo DS series is also a very good choice (just in case anyone though I was a Carbotech fanboy ).

The EBC's have one single good point, though....they don't dust much.

[Busa_Rush]

Agreed, low dust

EBC's are cheap pads, they are poorly designed (already had one comment about poor fit on just this thread) and their materils are cheap and nasty. Also lots of comments about the pad coming away from the backing plate.

Every year there's a horror story and EBC come out with a revised compound, new material or some such marketing ploy. I'm astonished anybody buys them at all, let along puts them on Astons, Lambo's etc

[Patrick1964]

OP asked about EBC pads so I answered his question. However, if it was my money I'd more than likely fit Ferodo, Carbon Lorraine or Pagid in a performance car.

[Batfink]

the friction co-efficient of the red and yellow stuff is pretty poor compared to other brands.
The carbon lorraine RC6 friction material is double the friction co-efficient! Heat might be one issue to look at but i'd like a grippy material too...

[stifler]

parapaul said:

I'll have a look at the Pagid pads next time though, especially if they're kinder to the discs!

You will be surprised. In a good way. Worth the money in so many ways.

[camgear]

I use Bendix on my bike, f**king stonking pads, will fit some to my car if I need any

[thetrash]

John Galt said:

TOENHEEL said:

Busa_Rush said:

I wouldn't put EBC on a bicycle let alone a car. Pagid might cost more but are in a different league. Ferrodo also do some useful pads and a bit cheaper than Pagid.

A lot of people would disagree with you there, after changing the compound the majority say they are a great pad. Im inclined to agree, once warmed up they perform very very well.

But a hell of a lot more people would agree with him, including me. I'm finding it quite surprising that a motoring forum is by-and-large recommending EBC pads. Just a quick search through some other highly populated online car forums (including GTR.co.uk, evolutionm.com, lancerregister.com, dsmtuners.com, and many others) gives a very different picture of EBC pads, regardless of compound. In a nutshell, they are just not fit for purpose.

I had yellows on my Evo when I bought the car last year. I figured I'd give them a shot; surely they can't be as bad as people make out? After one trackday, they not only did they fade severely, but they chewed up my front discs. I didn't even trust them on the road, as they were useless from cold, with no feel whatsoever.

To give a comparison, I had Carbotech XP9's on my previous Evo. Now, look on the aforementioned forums and see the tide of positive comments about them. And it's not mass-hysteria, either. It's hard to express how good the Carbotechs are, especially in comparison to the EBC's. With no other change in brake setup (standard callipers & discs, braided lines, Motul fluid), I had no fade, lap after lap. More biting power at ALL temperatures. Progressive feel through the pressure range. I could go on and on....

The point I'm trying to make is this: do your research, guys. I honestly wouldn't use EBC pads again if I got them for free. The Ferodo DS series is also a very good choice (just in case anyone though I was a Carbotech fanboy ).

The EBC's have one single good point, though....they don't dust much.

I had yellow stuffs and they lasted less than two hours of track work before they melted to nothing. Tried carbotech XP10s and they were much better, they didn't fade at all and gave great bite. They still only lasted one trackday and cracked a disk.

When did EBC change the compound of the yellows?

[funbobby]

just to add to this as im somewhat underwhelmed by new subaru legacy spec b braking capabilities, what do people suggest for general day to day driving? seems very little bite from my standard brakes and they have been checked over just to be sure.

[shalmaneser]

funbobby said:

just to add to this as im somewhat underwhelmed by new subaru legacy spec b braking capabilities, what do people suggest for general day to day driving? seems very little bite from my standard brakes and they have been checked over just to be sure.

mintex, pagid or ferrodo seem to be the choice.

[dr.pepper]

For those that are recommending Pagids, which set are they referring to?

http://www.pagid-brake-pads.co.uk/products/index.p...

There's a whole host of pads there, i wonder which one are the equivalent of the Yellowstuff?

[scotty_d]

Busa_Rush said:

I wouldn't put EBC on a bicycle let alone a car. Pagid might cost more but are in a different league. Ferrodo also do some useful pads and a bit cheaper than Pagid.

I had the Ferrodo pad in my TVR when i bought it and thought they were total crap need to get some good heat in them to work,Fair enough for track days but the car is used on the road 90% of the time.

Just fitted the new Yellow stuff and it has totally transformed the car it bites well from cold so they have my vote here.

[Busa_Rush]

scotty_d said:

Busa_Rush said:

I wouldn't put EBC on a bicycle let alone a car. Pagid might cost more but are in a different league. Ferrodo also do some useful pads and a bit cheaper than Pagid.

I had the Ferrodo pad in my TVR when i bought it and thought they were total crap need to get some good heat in them to work,Fair enough for track days but the car is used on the road 90% of the time.

Just fitted the new Yellow stuff and it has totally transformed the car it bites well from cold so they have my vote here.

Ferrodo have a range of pads, some of which are designed for track use so will need heat to make them work, but then they work really well, don't fade and don't kill the discs. Maybe the previous owner of your car had fitted those rather than Ferrodo's road pads ?

Try the DS2500, a brilliant pad with reasonably high cold CoF and remains stable over a wide temperature range.

[windy1]

Busa_Rush said:

Agreed, low dust

EBC's are cheap pads, they are poorly designed (already had one comment about poor fit on just this thread) and their materils are cheap and nasty. Also lots of comments about the pad coming away from the backing plate.

Every year there's a horror story and EBC come out with a revised compound, new material or some such marketing ploy. I'm astonished anybody buys them at all, let along puts them on Astons, Lambo's etc

Totally agree they are utter s***e.

I've had a few scary moments with these pads, green stuff / red stuff and they got binned very quickly - lesson learnt before i crashed my car (very nearly).

If you've ever seen AP test EBC products on their brake machine you'd be shocked.

Pagid RS14 or 15 are the ones to have - no contest.

[SS2.]

I've got RedStuff on the Golf and they squeal like stuffed pigs when cold. But when warm, they are very good - no complaints whatsoever.

[Davey S2]

Pagids all the way!