Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
f1nn said:
BrownBottle said:
May I ask why you use Pirelli Pzeros instead of a cheaper alternative like Linglongs as you are never going to get anywhere near the limits of the Pirelli tyres under normal driving?
You've answered your own question surely?johnwilliams77 said:
Lost for words.
Wouldn't put it as strongly as that or per the previous two posters, but there certainly seems to be a bit of selective memory of what's been said, and the manner.Several things grate with me, for example the insistence that it's only been comments relating to suitability for the individual poster, yet frequently followed by the broad brush, "therefore most users in UK bla bla bla." It's not possible to say what's suitable for most users as it's a very individual position but should be one that is made on the back of decent information, cost - benefit - risks - rewards.
While on the subject of things that grate on this subject, one gets irritated on the occasions of a major fall with the people who have ignored the warnings and forecasts for the previous 24 hours, the advice only to travel if necessary, yet still go out as normal, end up having to abandon because they're stuck, yet it's no one's fault other than the council gritters. Many of these people are simply uninformed or incompetent.
But my ire is really reserved for the organisations whose remit clearly requires them to turn up come hell or high water. Some are getting better, but some just abdicate their responsibility at the earliest opportunity, complete flakes, pun quite intentional.
PS @George111, worked out your identity confusion yet? A simple oops sorry would be nice.
BrownBottle said:
f1nn said:
BrownBottle said:
May I ask why you use Pirelli Pzeros instead of a cheaper alternative like Linglongs as you are never going to get anywhere near the limits of the Pirelli tyres under normal driving?
You've answered your own question surely?I don't want to get closer to its limit, I want to stay as far away from its limit, on the road at least, as possible. Generally, if I'm reaching the limit of a tyres capabilities on the road, something has gone wrong, be it driving unsuitably for the conditions, a lack of observation, or similar.
I've chosen, what I believe is a premium tyre as I believe it is capable of year round performance, in my part of the worlds climate at least. So far, it hey have met or exceeded my expectations, but we'll see if the rest of the winter gives me a reason to reconsider.
f1nn said:
I'm not sure it is me taking things out of context.
DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
The irony is strong. Only if you take some comments out of context does your 2nd paragraph make sense.DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
FiF said:
Wouldn't put it as strongly as that or per the previous two posters, but there certainly seems to be a bit of selective memory of what's been said, and the manner.
Several things grate with me, for example the insistence that it's only been comments relating to suitability for the individual poster, yet frequently followed by the broad brush, "therefore most users in UK bla bla bla." It's not possible to say what's suitable for most users as it's a very individual position but should be one that is made on the back of decent information, cost - benefit - risks, reward.
Fair enough.Several things grate with me, for example the insistence that it's only been comments relating to suitability for the individual poster, yet frequently followed by the broad brush, "therefore most users in UK bla bla bla." It's not possible to say what's suitable for most users as it's a very individual position but should be one that is made on the back of decent information, cost - benefit - risks, reward.
I've chosen to use the term "most road users" or similar in my posts as I was keen to avoid suggesting, like some posters, that there is no requirement for winter tyres, which clearly there is to a greater or lesser degree.
I'd consider "most road users" a reasonable term to use, given that the vast majority of road users in the UK clearly choose not to use winter tyres.
f1nn said:
You appear to be suggesting that a budget tyre, with theoretically lower capabilities, may be more suitable as I may get closer to its limit.
I don't want to get closer to its limit, I want to stay as far away from its limit, on the road at least, as possible. Generally, if I'm reaching the limit of a tyres capabilities on the road, something has gone wrong, be it driving unsuitably for the conditions, a lack of observation, or similar.
I've chosen, what I believe is a premium tyre as I believe it is capable of year round performance, in my part of the worlds climate at least. So far, it hey have met or exceeded my expectations, but we'll see if the rest of the winter gives me a reason to reconsider.
Earlier you said driving on winter tyres or premium summer tyres under normal driving conditions you were absolutely nowhere near the limits of either tyres.I don't want to get closer to its limit, I want to stay as far away from its limit, on the road at least, as possible. Generally, if I'm reaching the limit of a tyres capabilities on the road, something has gone wrong, be it driving unsuitably for the conditions, a lack of observation, or similar.
I've chosen, what I believe is a premium tyre as I believe it is capable of year round performance, in my part of the worlds climate at least. So far, it hey have met or exceeded my expectations, but we'll see if the rest of the winter gives me a reason to reconsider.
If that's the case I'm sure under the same driving conditions you would be nowhere near the limits of a budget tyre, so why do you buy Pzeros instead of budget tyres?
Munter said:
f1nn said:
I'm not sure it is me taking things out of context.
DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
The irony is strong. Only if you take some comments out of context does your 2nd paragraph make sense.DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
All I've said is that surprises me. How have I taken that out of context?
BrownBottle said:
Earlier you said driving on winter tyres or premium summer tyres under normal driving conditions you were absolutely nowhere near the limits of either tyres.
If that's the case I'm sure under the same driving conditions you would be nowhere near the limits of a budget tyre, so why do you buy Pzeros instead of budget tyres?
Pirelli (or Goodyear/Michelin etc) are a brand that I trust to make a tyre experience/and reviews to a degree suggest I can trust all year round, wear well, be quiet, perform consistently etc. If that's the case I'm sure under the same driving conditions you would be nowhere near the limits of a budget tyre, so why do you buy Pzeros instead of budget tyres?
Ling long, to use your example of a budget tyre, are not.
f1nn said:
Munter said:
f1nn said:
I'm not sure it is me taking things out of context.
DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
The irony is strong. Only if you take some comments out of context does your 2nd paragraph make sense.DJdro, I agree with you largely. I was responding to a previous poster, a winter tyre user who, very clearly, says he pays less attention to the vehicles speed and conditions since he has fitted winter tyres.
All I've said is that surprises me. How have I taken that out of context?
If English is so hard for you perhaps you could try again using interpretive dance?
f1nn said:
Pirelli (or Goodyear/Michelin etc) are a brand that I trust to make a tyre experience/and reviews to a degree suggest I can trust all year round, wear well, be quiet, perform consistently etc.
Ling long, to use your example of a budget tyre, are not.
Trust all year round to do what? What will they do that a budget tyre won't? Ling long, to use your example of a budget tyre, are not.
Munter said:
No I didn't.
If English is so hard for you perhaps you could try again using interpretive dance?
What you've typed is below.If English is so hard for you perhaps you could try again using interpretive dance?
On a dry sunny day in a 40 limit on a gentle incline I might spend 1% of my time doing that. On summers in snow I might spend 99% doing that. On winters it'd be in between, but far closer to the former.
On a sunny day on summers you say that you might spend 1% of your time assessing your speed and road conditions.
On snow on summers you say that you might spend 99% of your time doing the same.
In the same conditions on winters you say that time spent would be in between (49%?) but closer to the former. The former being 1% (the latter being 99%)
So what you've clearly said is you spend between 1% and 49% of the time driving assessing your vehicles speed and road condition when driving on winters, as opposed to 99% of the time doing the same on summer tyres, when driving on snow.
Between 1% and 49% is less than 99%. No?
f1nn said:
Pirelli (or Goodyear/Michelin etc) are a brand that I trust to make a tyre experience/and reviews to a degree suggest I can trust all year round, wear well, be quiet, perform consistently etc.
Ling long, to use your example of a budget tyre, are not.
Didn't really want to get involved in this but the P-Zero is not a tyre which Pirelli suggest as a true year round tyre, their best for that is almost certainly the Cinturato All-Season. Take a look here - http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/car/find-your-t... - and you will see that they categorise the P-Zero as a Summer tyre. But if that is OK with you fine, it just contradicts your statement regarding trust - you are trusting them to something they don't trust themselves.Ling long, to use your example of a budget tyre, are not.
BrownBottle said:
Trust all year round to do what? What will they do that a budget tyre won't?
I find it easier to put my trust in a major manufacturers product to deliver all of the attributes that I've previously pointed out, consistently over the life of said tyre.What will a premium tyre do that a budget tyre won't? Impossible to answer, far too many variables.
andyps said:
Didn't really want to get involved in this but the P-Zero is not a tyre which Pirelli suggest as a true year round tyre, their best for that is almost certainly the Cinturato All-Season. Take a look here - http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/car/find-your-t... - and you will see that they categorise the P-Zero as a Summer tyre. But if that is OK with you fine, it just contradicts your statement regarding trust - you are trusting them to something they don't trust themselves.
No, I'm aware that they are a summer tyre as I've mentioned in a previous posts.I simply mean that I am confident that they are capable of delivering the performance in excess of what I require, for MY driving, year round.
Edited by f1nn on Monday 18th January 22:06
f1nn said:
I find it easier to put my trust in a major manufacturers product to deliver all of the attributes that I've previously pointed out, consistently over the life of said tyre.
That has always been my strategy - buy good tyres and drive on them. In the UK you can have any season in any month of the year - or all of the seasons in one day!I'm a particular fan of Michelin, which doesn't make for cheap shopping.
f1nn said:
I find it easier to put my trust in a major manufacturers product to deliver all of the attributes that I've previously pointed out, consistently over the life of said tyre.
What will a premium tyre do that a budget tyre won't? Impossible to answer, far too many variables.
All you really mentioned was noise and you can buy budgets with a lower db rating than your Pzeros, they will also wear more quickly than a lot of budget tyres due to being a softer more grippy compound.What will a premium tyre do that a budget tyre won't? Impossible to answer, far too many variables.
As for trust, the majority of cars on the road are on budget tyres all year and getting around just fine.
So again, why bother with premium tyres over budgets?
BrownBottle said:
All you really mentioned was noise and you can buy budgets with a lower db rating than your Pzeros, they will also wear more quickly than a lot of budget tyres due to being a softer more grippy compound.
As for trust, the majority of cars on the road are on budget tyres all year and getting around just fine.
So again, why bother with premium tyres over budgets?
i've told you my reasons, but if you would like something else, er let's see...I like the tread pattern? Will that do you?As for trust, the majority of cars on the road are on budget tyres all year and getting around just fine.
So again, why bother with premium tyres over budgets?
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