yellow stuff brake pads
Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
GC8 said:
I feel left out, having always told people on forums to avoid EBC like the plague. Of course, the plague hasnt ever nearly killed me, unlike sh*te EBC pads. Theyre rubbish and you couldnt give them to me.
Do you believe it's impossible for a product to improve with continued development then? Can you guarantee the pads you allegedly had a bad experience with are exactly the same as the ones now sold by EBC?V8mate said:
Late last year I read a forum response (not PH) from the 'boss' of EBC where he threw a massive hissy fit at forum members for berating the quality of his products based upon historic experiences. He went on to say that the entire range had received a massive amount of R&D and were now nothing like the EBC of old.
I wish I could find that thread/post now, as I'd be keen to share my experience.
I upgraded the brakes on my track E36 over the winter and decided to trust in this chap's word. He was clearly very passionate about the effort his company had put into creating a quality product. A lot of people seem to recommend one type of disc and another type of pad but, I thought, surely there can be no better pairing than having both form the same supplier. Bcause, surely, they will have extensively tested their products on a 'whole system' basis.
So I put EBC grooved discs and Yellowstuff pads on.
Early afternoon yesterday, the car's second track day since the refit, my son starts complaining about lack of brakes as he arrives at some of the corners.
First, a visual check of the pads through the wheels. Seems to be plenty of meat left. Then a check of the fluid; it's hot but not overly. Sent him back out.
Still happening so I tell him to watch his driving; that maybe his heel'n'toeing is resulting in him not hitting the brake pedal properly. He confirms that he's pretty sure he's not mis-pressing the pedal.
Come the end of the day, we get the track wheels off for the road wheels to go back on. A closer look at the pads and they look like sponges. A little tap with the end of a screwdriver and they start to crumble away. 300 track miles and they're shot.
That's pretty crap.
So I won't be using them again. And on the basis of historic opinion plus contemporary experience, I don't think that adding the term 'ever' would be too far out either.
I saw this too, but I thought that it was on PH. Ive looked back through all of his posts though and it isnt here, and all of the posts here that I have read have been reasonable and not even remotely drunken or aggressive.I wish I could find that thread/post now, as I'd be keen to share my experience.
I upgraded the brakes on my track E36 over the winter and decided to trust in this chap's word. He was clearly very passionate about the effort his company had put into creating a quality product. A lot of people seem to recommend one type of disc and another type of pad but, I thought, surely there can be no better pairing than having both form the same supplier. Bcause, surely, they will have extensively tested their products on a 'whole system' basis.
So I put EBC grooved discs and Yellowstuff pads on.
Early afternoon yesterday, the car's second track day since the refit, my son starts complaining about lack of brakes as he arrives at some of the corners.
First, a visual check of the pads through the wheels. Seems to be plenty of meat left. Then a check of the fluid; it's hot but not overly. Sent him back out.
Still happening so I tell him to watch his driving; that maybe his heel'n'toeing is resulting in him not hitting the brake pedal properly. He confirms that he's pretty sure he's not mis-pressing the pedal.
Come the end of the day, we get the track wheels off for the road wheels to go back on. A closer look at the pads and they look like sponges. A little tap with the end of a screwdriver and they start to crumble away. 300 track miles and they're shot.
That's pretty crap.
So I won't be using them again. And on the basis of historic opinion plus contemporary experience, I don't think that adding the term 'ever' would be too far out either.
Im wondering now whether it was Andy Freeman and Im also wondering how much of my rekindled dislike of EBC products was down to this.
te.Not had one failure - but have heard of a few who have. Also, had a mate who had some Greenstuff ones that came apart after about 300 road miles - called EBC, returned them and put a new set on that have been fine over about 20k miles.
I had a few sets of Yellowstuff on e34 M5s for 6-7 years and over 100k miles of general use & track/ring days without issue (other than pad deposits on the discs).
I'm now on my 2nd set of Bluestuff NDX on the Z4MC and have no complaints with them either - although 'only' done 60k of road & track miles on them.
I had a few sets of Yellowstuff on e34 M5s for 6-7 years and over 100k miles of general use & track/ring days without issue (other than pad deposits on the discs).
I'm now on my 2nd set of Bluestuff NDX on the Z4MC and have no complaints with them either - although 'only' done 60k of road & track miles on them.
Used yellows for about 3 years now on track - never failed and never got fade and they don't seem to suffer from pad transfer as much as Ferodo DS2500 I used to use.
Also a lot cheaper than DS2500's
thats my 2p's worth.
Older yellows before they changed the 'formula' were a bit pants. Hence there are a few people out there who will slag them off based on this.
Heard good stuff about blues (even from cold) but I believe they are not 'certified' for road use - not sure what would happen in the event of an accident. Same with DS3000 although they are terrible when cold.
Also a lot cheaper than DS2500's
thats my 2p's worth.
Older yellows before they changed the 'formula' were a bit pants. Hence there are a few people out there who will slag them off based on this.
Heard good stuff about blues (even from cold) but I believe they are not 'certified' for road use - not sure what would happen in the event of an accident. Same with DS3000 although they are terrible when cold.
Edited by sparkyhx on Wednesday 6th November 16:16
sparkyhx said:
Older yellows before they changed the 'formula' were a bit pants. Hence there are a few people out there who will slag them off based on this.
That's the problem with EBC, there's always a new formula round the corner to fix a problem. Those of us who bought them 12-15 or so years ago, got tired of the never ending excuses . . . whilst Ferodo, Mintex and the others just carried on incrementally improving their products, EBC were going backwards and forwards and pads were breaking off the backing plate or fading badly or just wearing out like they were made of cheese. I've never had that with any other manufacturer, just EBC.George111 said:
sparkyhx said:
Older yellows before they changed the 'formula' were a bit pants. Hence there are a few people out there who will slag them off based on this.
That's the problem with EBC, there's always a new formula round the corner to fix a problem. Those of us who bought them 12-15 or so years ago, got tired of the never ending excuses . . . whilst Ferodo, Mintex and the others just carried on incrementally improving their products, EBC were going backwards and forwards and pads were breaking off the backing plate or fading badly or just wearing out like they were made of cheese. I've never had that with any other manufacturer, just EBC.I know a few track day people who use them and have nothing bad to say. The nay sayers are usually people who used them a while ago.
I'm not saying they are the best, just that they are a good compromise on performance and price. DS2500's are silly money with Mu's not far behind. I know people use mu's, Blues, and Porterfields all with no issues. Don't really know anyone using pagids.
George111 said:
That's the problem with EBC, there's always a new formula round the corner to fix a problem. Those of us who bought them 12-15 or so years ago, got tired of the never ending excuses . . . whilst Ferodo, Mintex and the others just carried on incrementally improving their products, EBC were going backwards and forwards and pads were breaking off the backing plate or fading badly or just wearing out like they were made of cheese. I've never had that with any other manufacturer, just EBC.
I was at Gaudix last week and a GT3 driven by my friend suffered total brake failure when the Ferodo pad disintegrated, separating from the backing plate. Fortunately the car was brought to a halt without incident, but it could have been so much worse.I have YellowStuff on two of my cars, and although one of them has suffered from deposits and vibration under heavy use at the Ring, the other has behaved impeccably.
I have EBC pads in my car and bikes. Road, track and n'ring use.
I have had some pad transfer but thats normal and clears with use.
Ive seen people have problems with ds2500 and ds3000.
Pagid pads are better but cost 3 times more.
For the price, I believe EBC bluestuff and yellowstuff (and the HH for bikes) to be very good pads.
I have had some pad transfer but thats normal and clears with use.
Ive seen people have problems with ds2500 and ds3000.
Pagid pads are better but cost 3 times more.
For the price, I believe EBC bluestuff and yellowstuff (and the HH for bikes) to be very good pads.
Early 2010 I had a couple of brown trouser moments, most of us have had them, it’s the moment you put your foot on the brakes and sod all happens. While it’s rarely a good moment, but when you are in around 3 tons of ‘loaded’ Land rover discovery with auto box its ‘focusing’ to say the least.
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Having decided my life expectancy was connected to my ability to stop I hit the internet looking for some decent brake pads and that’s when it all starts. Everybody has an opinion, I for example had always used Mintex and swore by them yet the last set faded without a lot of provocation.
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EBC was recommended yet this forum was full of tales of woe then I noticed the owner was giving away his product for testing purposes to the same people who slated them; lunatic or what.
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My kind of lunatic so I dropped him a line, bearing in mind he was asking for ‘Need some fast street and track drivers with different cars’ and I was offering a discovery 300tdi automatic, that’s about as far from the request as you can get and to be fair I was clear on my usage ‘Be aware the car does everything, fast road use (well fast for a Discovery), off road use, towing, expedition loaded, Mac 4x4 challenge, and the major test in December, it will cover 4 miles every night at walking pace towing a Round Table Xmas float. Not forgetting as an Auto it ‘lives’ on its brakes.’
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Much to my surprise Andy said yes and after some discussion regarding usage he recommended Yellow pads (again a number of people simply buy the wrong pads).
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My car at this point had brand new front discs (solid non vented) and rear discs around a couple of years old (again solid non vented).
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The pads duly arrived and surprisingly had no bedding in instructions, yet everything anybody said on the net was ‘you must bed them in correctly or else’ I found some bedding in instructions and also spoke to Andy about it, yes they needed bedding in. (pads now come with full bedding instructions).
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Duly bedded in the pads transformed the car, it now stopped and more importantly stopped with confidence (for the first time) every time regardless if it was hot or cold, rain or shine, mid summer or mid winter.
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I was pleased to have gone down this route and not listened to the ever loud ‘gloom & doom mongers’ out there, so while I am here lets dispel some of the (lets be polite) myths I had read before.
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‘They won’t stop when cold’; never had a problem even when I parked the car in a snow bank when we went sledging.
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‘They don’t like getting wet’; never mind the rain, I cross rivers in mine that’s definitely wet and still don’t have a problem.
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‘They don’t fit and you have to modify them’; what kind of a nutter modifies brake pads at home; the Yellows fitted perfectly front and back. Note they have considerably more pad (thickness) on than normal pads and need the brake pistons fully returning to fit.
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‘They wear out quick’; really this is a bit subjective BUT I have covered some 35,000 miles since fitting (2010) in an automatic and I don’t hang around.
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‘The pads are not legal for road use’; this really is an ace question/statement because it’s surprising at just how many performance brake pads are not actually legal for road use (cue insurance companies not paying out), Most EBC pads (yellows included) match the EU 8ollox ECE R90 and are stamped accordingly.
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I could go on but I think you get the jest, I have been very happy with the brake performance, however don’t think it’s all rosy. I destroyed the rear pads and discs by not washing them after a muddy off road day, the jet wash would not reach the rear wheels and I thought it would be ok. the cost of new rear pads and discs taught me otherwise.
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I have just replaced the front discs as the ‘new’ (2010) front discs developed a very slight warp but when they cost £50 a pair (aftersales item) it’s not surprising, these have now been replaced with proper EBC dimpled and slotted discs, I was going for drilled but the chap from EBC said the holes may fill with mud when off roading.
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Now some may be wondering why the update, well firstly it was a promise I made when fitting the original pads, I have now replaced the pads when I replaced the discs, the pads I used? New yellows – did not even a consider fitting anything else.
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Please bear in mind this is a personal summery, I am not a journalist (as these ramblings show) or have any connection with EBC.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnqmu1_mac-4x4-20...
https://www.justgiving.com/AlunandSean2014
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Having decided my life expectancy was connected to my ability to stop I hit the internet looking for some decent brake pads and that’s when it all starts. Everybody has an opinion, I for example had always used Mintex and swore by them yet the last set faded without a lot of provocation.
.
EBC was recommended yet this forum was full of tales of woe then I noticed the owner was giving away his product for testing purposes to the same people who slated them; lunatic or what.
.
My kind of lunatic so I dropped him a line, bearing in mind he was asking for ‘Need some fast street and track drivers with different cars’ and I was offering a discovery 300tdi automatic, that’s about as far from the request as you can get and to be fair I was clear on my usage ‘Be aware the car does everything, fast road use (well fast for a Discovery), off road use, towing, expedition loaded, Mac 4x4 challenge, and the major test in December, it will cover 4 miles every night at walking pace towing a Round Table Xmas float. Not forgetting as an Auto it ‘lives’ on its brakes.’
.
Much to my surprise Andy said yes and after some discussion regarding usage he recommended Yellow pads (again a number of people simply buy the wrong pads).
.
My car at this point had brand new front discs (solid non vented) and rear discs around a couple of years old (again solid non vented).
.
The pads duly arrived and surprisingly had no bedding in instructions, yet everything anybody said on the net was ‘you must bed them in correctly or else’ I found some bedding in instructions and also spoke to Andy about it, yes they needed bedding in. (pads now come with full bedding instructions).
.
Duly bedded in the pads transformed the car, it now stopped and more importantly stopped with confidence (for the first time) every time regardless if it was hot or cold, rain or shine, mid summer or mid winter.
.
I was pleased to have gone down this route and not listened to the ever loud ‘gloom & doom mongers’ out there, so while I am here lets dispel some of the (lets be polite) myths I had read before.
.
‘They won’t stop when cold’; never had a problem even when I parked the car in a snow bank when we went sledging.
.
‘They don’t like getting wet’; never mind the rain, I cross rivers in mine that’s definitely wet and still don’t have a problem.
.
‘They don’t fit and you have to modify them’; what kind of a nutter modifies brake pads at home; the Yellows fitted perfectly front and back. Note they have considerably more pad (thickness) on than normal pads and need the brake pistons fully returning to fit.
.
‘They wear out quick’; really this is a bit subjective BUT I have covered some 35,000 miles since fitting (2010) in an automatic and I don’t hang around.
.
‘The pads are not legal for road use’; this really is an ace question/statement because it’s surprising at just how many performance brake pads are not actually legal for road use (cue insurance companies not paying out), Most EBC pads (yellows included) match the EU 8ollox ECE R90 and are stamped accordingly.
.
I could go on but I think you get the jest, I have been very happy with the brake performance, however don’t think it’s all rosy. I destroyed the rear pads and discs by not washing them after a muddy off road day, the jet wash would not reach the rear wheels and I thought it would be ok. the cost of new rear pads and discs taught me otherwise.
.
I have just replaced the front discs as the ‘new’ (2010) front discs developed a very slight warp but when they cost £50 a pair (aftersales item) it’s not surprising, these have now been replaced with proper EBC dimpled and slotted discs, I was going for drilled but the chap from EBC said the holes may fill with mud when off roading.
.
Now some may be wondering why the update, well firstly it was a promise I made when fitting the original pads, I have now replaced the pads when I replaced the discs, the pads I used? New yellows – did not even a consider fitting anything else.
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Please bear in mind this is a personal summery, I am not a journalist (as these ramblings show) or have any connection with EBC.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnqmu1_mac-4x4-20...
https://www.justgiving.com/AlunandSean2014
I hope I haven't fallen for the marketing but after extensive research I will have yellow stuffs fitted to my car next week.
(Pads and discs already purchased)
I believe that the compound has changed over the past couple of years and that they work well from cold as well as hot.
I was going to go with the default Ferodo DS2500's but they are not certified for road use and I can't even consider not being insured due to uncertified brakes. (Wife is a 999!)
I am a little bit wary as a few people have said that the yellow stuffs are not any good but I think (hope) that is the older compound.
Time will tell and I'll report back in a few weeks.
(Pads and discs already purchased)
I believe that the compound has changed over the past couple of years and that they work well from cold as well as hot.
I was going to go with the default Ferodo DS2500's but they are not certified for road use and I can't even consider not being insured due to uncertified brakes. (Wife is a 999!)
I am a little bit wary as a few people have said that the yellow stuffs are not any good but I think (hope) that is the older compound.
Time will tell and I'll report back in a few weeks.
4x4disco said:
I was pleased to have gone down this route and not listened to the ever loud ‘gloom & doom mongers’ out there, so while I am here lets dispel some of the (lets be polite) myths I had read before.
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I'm really glad you like your EBC pads but people like me who tried them over a period of years and found them to be, at best, worse than stock oem pads and in some situations downright dangerous when they break away from the backing material or fade so badly as to leave the car almost unstoppable, will never fit them to a bicycle let alone a car again. When Pagid or Ferodo or even the oem pads are so good these days, why would you want to fit a product like EBC ? .
It's interesting that two people pop up at the same time to say the same thing . . . no coincidence ? And who are the doom and gloom mongers ? Maybe people like me who have tried EBC in the past ?
I've not had a problem with any of the EBC pads I've had on my e34 M5s (Yellowstuff)or my Z4MC (Yellowstuff & Bluestuff).
They cover about 25k miles a year - mainly motorway commuting between Liverpool & London so not much braking required, but also for my regular Welsh hoons, a few track days and a couple of 4-day weekends at the 'Ring (25-50 laps per weekend).
Although my mate had a set of Greenstuff crumble to nothing in about 2k miles. The replacement set have been fine though.
They cover about 25k miles a year - mainly motorway commuting between Liverpool & London so not much braking required, but also for my regular Welsh hoons, a few track days and a couple of 4-day weekends at the 'Ring (25-50 laps per weekend).
Although my mate had a set of Greenstuff crumble to nothing in about 2k miles. The replacement set have been fine though.
ToothbrushMan said:
how do people rate Mintex C-Tech pads? arent these the new fancy name Mintex gave to their proven 1144 pads?
i thought the M1144's were very good for the money - and for fast road / occasional track use. i have now got a full set of yellows waiting to go on, as they were a bit cheaper and had reasonable reviews. i know ebc had a reputation for terrible variation in their pads, some people would be fine, others would have a nightmare. so hopefully in the last few years they've improved their quality control...!
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