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CS Garth said:
On the basis that no one this thread has any link to devanti i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?
Did you miss the post on page 20 what the Davanti Engineer posted?How can I conclude they are average at best, I have no evidence to back that up. Now I do hope they are good or even above average as pricing looks sensible.
king tyres and let this saeropilot said:
My tyre fitters agree that Nokian are up there with the well known premium winter tyre makers....they said as much when spotting the WR A3's on the front of my 135i.
That's fair and that's your opinion like everyone on here has an option, I am telling you my personal opinion and what people say in the trade in my country about them.... Maybe their winter tyres are great but I have only had experience of their summer tyres
Maybe
Michaeljnothing said:
aeropilot said:
My tyre fitters agree that Nokian are up there with the well known premium winter tyre makers....they said as much when spotting the WR A3's on the front of my 135i.
That's fair and that's your opinion like everyone on here has an option, I am telling you my personal opinion and what people say in the trade in my country about them.... 
It wasn't my opinion, it was the opinion of someone in the tyre trade....
(but yes, it was specifically about their winter tyres, but, also, the same people in the tyre trade, didn't have a good word to say about any of the Chinese ditchfinder tyre brands even though they sell loads of them)
aeropilot said:
Try re-reading what I posted....
It wasn't my opinion, it was the opinion of someone in the tyre trade....
(but yes, it was specifically about their winter tyres, but, also, the same people in the tyre trade, didn't have a good word to say about any of the Chinese ditchfinder tyre brands even though they sell loads of them)
I did read what you said, have a read back to what i said, this is all my opinions, where i live there is no Nokian dealers so people do not use the tyre, i sell it on request and bring it in from a broker, in my opinion they are mid range tyre, saying that i used the tyre a long time ago and maybe they are better now.. i would be the first person to apologise if i personally used the tyre, if they were as good as a michelin i would say they are premium, if i had Nokian on the shelf at the same price as Goodyear or Michelin, well i can put bets on to what people would take....
People on here have just slagged off a brand they have not tried, that was the original argument, everyone is drifting off the original subject, the guy came on asking advice, i gave him my opinion as i have used the tyres myself, other people i know have used the tyres with all positive feedback.
Nearly everyone has jumped on the bandwagon because they made in China they are assuming they are not a good tyre.
It wasn't my opinion, it was the opinion of someone in the tyre trade....
(but yes, it was specifically about their winter tyres, but, also, the same people in the tyre trade, didn't have a good word to say about any of the Chinese ditchfinder tyre brands even though they sell loads of them)
I did read what you said, have a read back to what i said, this is all my opinions, where i live there is no Nokian dealers so people do not use the tyre, i sell it on request and bring it in from a broker, in my opinion they are mid range tyre, saying that i used the tyre a long time ago and maybe they are better now.. i would be the first person to apologise if i personally used the tyre, if they were as good as a michelin i would say they are premium, if i had Nokian on the shelf at the same price as Goodyear or Michelin, well i can put bets on to what people would take....
People on here have just slagged off a brand they have not tried, that was the original argument, everyone is drifting off the original subject, the guy came on asking advice, i gave him my opinion as i have used the tyres myself, other people i know have used the tyres with all positive feedback.
Nearly everyone has jumped on the bandwagon because they made in China they are assuming they are not a good tyre.
tyreEng said:
Hello all.
specialism .
It's 'speciality'.specialism .
........if you went to school in England anyway!
Good post though. As I said earlier, I have a set of Davanti tyres to try out - so far so good. On Sunday we went with the car to a driving course in appalling wet weather and the tyres seemed fine.
Riley Blue said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Hamish Finn said:
A "marketing and design agency" who advised calling the product "Davanti"? It radiates cheap and naff! Who signed that one off?
Quite.Deviant. Disadvantage...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 1st February 15:24
TooMany2cvs said:
Riley Blue said:
No worse than Pirelli, I suggest, or Toyo.
Signor Giovanni Batista Pirelli didn't sit down in 1872 in a marketing meeting and make his name up. My Japanese isn't good enough to know if there's a reason why Toyo is called Toyo or not - is yours? Likewise, my Korean is limited for the purposes of determining if Kumho is a good name for one of the largest industrial groups in the country or not - I have no idea if there's a historical link to the North Korean district of the same name.You are the one who was being silly about it.
r11co said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Riley Blue said:
No worse than Pirelli, I suggest, or Toyo.
Signor Giovanni Batista Pirelli didn't sit down in 1872 in a marketing meeting and make his name up. My Japanese isn't good enough to know if there's a reason why Toyo is called Toyo or not - is yours? Likewise, my Korean is limited for the purposes of determining if Kumho is a good name for one of the largest industrial groups in the country or not - I have no idea if there's a historical link to the North Korean district of the same name.You are the one who was being silly about it.
Those companies DO have good reason to have picked those brands, and English is not their native language anyway.
Somebody sat down in a marketing meeting in the UK in the last year or so and played with a scrabble set for just long enough to come up with "Davanti".
TooMany2cvs said:
Somebody sat down in a marketing meeting in the UK in the last year or so and played with a scrabble set for just long enough to come up with "Davanti".
Hyperbole notwithstanding, what exactly is your point?What effect exactly does how products are named, and how this process has changed in a century-and-a-half have on the products themselves?
Edited by r11co on Monday 1st February 15:52
r11co said:
CS Garth said:
On the basis that no one this thread has any link to devanti i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?
So, you haven't read any of it then... In the blue corner: pages of sensible comment that suggests, in the absence of empirical data to support R&D spend or actual tyre performance, that it may be wise to approach with caution.
In the red corner: you, some spanner from Sunderland and the Devanti "Engineer" claiming these are the best thing since sliced bread and they shouldn't be written off as they are alleged game changers.
It all depends whether you assume brilliant until proven otherwise or average. I see no reason to assume they are not average based despite your exhaustive pedantry
CS Garth said:
On the basis that no one this thread has any link to devanti i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?
Yes, an excellent suggestion.r11co said:
So, you haven't read any of it then...
Did we all somehow miss the independent tyre review that puts them up against established brands? I don't think so.There's an excellent reason for peoples cynicism of these tyres; previous experience of budget Chinese tyres. So far I've seen little to impress me:
1) The prices suggest they are sold with a hefty mark-up. This falls in line with many peoples experiences that anything with a big mark-up gets promoted, irrespective of performance.
2) They have an incentive based review system that defaults all scores to maximum.
3) There are very few user reviews in general.
4) No independent testing has been performed outside of the mostly useless EU tyre labelling.
Should EVO etc. perform a test that proves these are genuinely high performance tyres, and if they offer a good saving over brands I know and trust then I would certainly consider buying them. Until then they will fall under the suspicion that has been garnered by the dismal performance of other budget Chinese tyres.
Since you have apparently never heard of the brand before, let alone tested them, it's difficult to imagine why you would be leaping to their defence. It suggests either you have some vested interest, or you simply enjoy taking a contrary view. I'm guessing the latter?
Mr2Mike said:
CS Garth said:
On the basis that *no one this thread has any link to devanti (sic) i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?
Yes, an excellent suggestion.r11co said:
So, you haven't read any of it then...
Did we all somehow miss the independent tyre review that puts them up against established brands? I don't think so.CS Garth said:
r11co said:
CS Garth said:
On the basis that no one this thread has any link to devanti i assume we shall we conclude they are generic Chinese tyres with average at best potential until a trustworthy objective test proves otherwise?
So, you haven't read any of it then... In the blue corner: pages of sensible comment that suggests, in the absence of empirical data to support R&D spend or actual tyre performance, that it may be wise to approach with caution.
In the red corner: you, some spanner from Sunderland and the Devanti "Engineer" claiming these are the best thing since sliced bread and they shouldn't be written off as they are alleged game changers.
I've reposted the salient points of my arguments several times now for the hard of thinking. Would it make any difference posting again for the myopic?
Why not? What the hell have I got to lose? It's only another cut-and-paste. So, one more time....
r11co said:
It illustrates perfectly the difference between a closed mindset that makes assumptions and waits for others to prove them wrong, and an open mindset that avails itself of as much information as it can before being prepared to make a value judgement.
This is the line I have stuck by throughout this thread, but it is amazing how the closed-mindset people are still thinking that this is a polarized issue and that anyone not backing their assertions is pushing the opposing view,....and then go over the top to try and discredit the people they think they're disagreeing with..
I have never at any point in this thread expressed a value judgement about these tyres. If I am mistaken about this and you can point out where I have then please do so.This is the line I have stuck by throughout this thread, but it is amazing how the closed-mindset people are still thinking that this is a polarized issue and that anyone not backing their assertions is pushing the opposing view,....and then go over the top to try and discredit the people they think they're disagreeing with..
Edited by r11co on Monday 1st February 16:43
"It illustrates perfectly the difference between a closed mindset that makes assumptions and waits for others to prove them wrong, and an open mindset that avails itself of as much information as it can before being prepared to make a value judgement"
Afraid it is you who has the closed mindset old chap.
You have made the assumption these are great tires based on nil evidence and are effectively saying prove me wrong, and it is the rest of us that are keeping an open mind and saying we will assume as a starting point they are inline with pretty much all other new brands and thus average, taking into account all available information to date, and we await further information.
The fullness of time will tell - please god someone include these on the next Autocar test.
Afraid it is you who has the closed mindset old chap.
You have made the assumption these are great tires based on nil evidence and are effectively saying prove me wrong, and it is the rest of us that are keeping an open mind and saying we will assume as a starting point they are inline with pretty much all other new brands and thus average, taking into account all available information to date, and we await further information.
The fullness of time will tell - please god someone include these on the next Autocar test.
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