Mk2 Golf GTi - opinions on these 2??

Mk2 Golf GTi - opinions on these 2??

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Zippee

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13,562 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Following a thread I started a couple of months ago I'm now at a more serious stage of looking (though still trying to get is past the missus) and was after thoughts on the following 2 cars. Both have similar mileages and seem in very good condition and whilst I'm aware one is an 8v vs a 16v they otherwise both look really nice. However, there is a fair % difference in price and with any classic hatch there seems to be a massive variation in this regard that may or may not be reflective of condition. I really like the colour of the 8v (red) and both have some really good points. Also, how easy/cheap is it to change the keep fit windows to electric?

Anyhow, I'd appreciate any thoughts on these 2 including what you think of the process, possible negotiation etc;

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/v...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/v...

JB!

5,255 posts

186 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Wouldn't pay £5k for a 5dr, 16v or not.

Ideally rot free, Recaro trim, electric windows and mirrors, PAS, 3dr 16v, and under 5k.

Also there is not alot of choice in the classifieds, best bet is get on the owners pages on Facebook, as the cars sell fast on there when they are well priced, or ebay.

Watch out for:

Rust. bottom of a-pillars on sunroof cars, rear valance, petrol filler cap, rear arches, front wings, floor bungs...

Also seen them rot from the top of the rear arch up into the car, fuel filler neck bracket also goes.

Clocking - easy peasy.

Obsolete parts - rain gutters is a big one, NLA and hard to find good ones.

Most things can be retrofitted but do you want to?

Edited by JB! on Wednesday 2nd September 12:56

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

196 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Go for the one with the V8 engine configuration wink

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

196 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Seriously though, they both seem a heck of a lot of money for a "meh" humdrum car with lots of miles on the clock.

JB!

5,255 posts

186 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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300bhp/ton said:
Seriously though, they both seem a heck of a lot of money for a "meh" humdrum car with lots of miles on the clock.
MK2 GTI's are awesome, and will cope with starship mileage if the rust is kept away.

Light by modern standards, easy to fix, fun to throw about, and appreciating in value, whats not to like?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

196 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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JB! said:
MK2 GTI's are awesome, and will cope with starship mileage if the rust is kept away.

Light by modern standards, easy to fix, fun to throw about, and appreciating in value, whats not to like?
I don't hate them. I just don't see the appeal. Far too "white goods" for my tastes. And I'm sure they are appreciating, but that perplexes me even more.

If they where £500-1800 then maybe. But when you start talking £4-5K+, then there are a heck of a lot more interesting cars to look at, rather than a washing machine on wheels.

JB!

5,255 posts

186 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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@OP.

Red, 3dr, 16v with electric windows, not sure if PAS, 120k, small bumper, up for £2800 on the "MK2 society" page on Facebook...

You need to hunt high and low but good, fair priced cars are out there...

Zippee

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13,562 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Thanks all - Must admit I was a little unsure about 5k on a Golf, I do like the look of the red 8v though.
The small bumper on FB sounds interesting but I really do prefer the look of the big bumper.
As for it being a white goods car? Not really sure I follow, a standard golf maybe but the GTi? No way. Drive one for a while and you may see why.

Edited by Zippee on Thursday 3rd September 09:25

JB!

5,255 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Zippee said:
Tall - Must admit I was a little unsure about 5k on a Golf, I do like the look of the red 8v though.
The small bumper on FB sounds interesting but I really do prefer the look of the big bumper.
As for it being a white goods car? Not really sure I follow, a standard golf maybe but the GTi? No way. Drive one for a while and you may see why.
big bumpers will come up for similar money, just keep an eye out.

rb5er

11,657 posts

178 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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5k???? Wowsers. So many better cars out there.

Rich135

777 posts

248 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Zippee said:
Thanks all - Must admit I was a little unsure about 5k on a Golf, I do like the look of the red 8v though.
The small bumper on FB sounds interesting but I really do prefer the look of the big bumper.
As for it being a white goods car? Not really sure I follow, a standard golf maybe but the GTi? No way. Drive one for a while and you may see why.

Edited by Zippee on Thursday 3rd September 09:25
I had a 5dr 8v small bumper for 4 years when it was about 5 years old (F reg, so this was in about 1995-1999), and while it was a cracking car (I never keep a car that long!), I agree with the comments here about £5k being way too much for what was a mass produced and mass sold very nice but very common car.

I have watched the prices over the years as I would still like another one day, but it's the sort of car that you should be able to pick up for £1-2k, and only pay a little more for a 3dr, 16v, big bumper with much less mileage and service history to prove the mileage. 16v even came with leather sometimes (a friend had one) so worth looking out for that.

JB!

5,255 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Rich135 said:
Zippee said:
Thanks all - Must admit I was a little unsure about 5k on a Golf, I do like the look of the red 8v though.
The small bumper on FB sounds interesting but I really do prefer the look of the big bumper.
As for it being a white goods car? Not really sure I follow, a standard golf maybe but the GTi? No way. Drive one for a while and you may see why.

Edited by Zippee on Thursday 3rd September 09:25
I had a 5dr 8v small bumper for 4 years when it was about 5 years old (F reg, so this was in about 1995-1999), and while it was a cracking car (I never keep a car that long!), I agree with the comments here about £5k being way too much for what was a mass produced and mass sold very nice but very common car.

I have watched the prices over the years as I would still like another one day, but it's the sort of car that you should be able to pick up for £1-2k, and only pay a little more for a 3dr, 16v, big bumper with much less mileage and service history to prove the mileage. 16v even came with leather sometimes (a friend had one) so worth looking out for that.
I'd rather have the cloth recaro over the non-recaro leather but yeah, 3k should get you a nice one.

Zippee

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13,562 posts

240 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Thank you again. I'm still really liking the red 8v but not the price. I may try and get along one weekend to see it (not in a desperate hurry) and see if cash in hand speaks anything, condition pending obviously, though given your comments would you say between 2.5 and 3 is more a fairer reflection of value for it than the 3.75 he's asking?
I'll give the 5k cars a wide berth, whilst I want decent I'm not after perfection.

Rich135

777 posts

248 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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It's just all dependent on what someone wants to pay really, once cars start to get older/rarer/considered classics.

I sold a 911, 3.2 carrera supersport, 8 years ago for £17k - it was 2 owners, 55k miles from new (22 years old). Could I have got more? Probably, maybe even £20k + if the right buyer came along, but I wanted it sold as needed the money, so didn't want to wait months. Now they go for £50k + for the same car, but hey ho!

Someone might pay him £3.7k for it, but it wouldn't be me, or you buy the sound of it. It would have to be less than £3k, but you will still hear of other people getting bargains at much less than that, however they probably spend half of their day on Autotrader etc, to dig out the deals!

kmpowell

3,127 posts

234 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Big Bumper, 3dr 16valver. Accept no compromise.

ya_bollox

212 posts

128 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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I'd have the 3dr, wouldn't be surprised if it needs new bushes, offside front wheel seems to be slightly off,

5dr is tidy but no

lowdrag

13,031 posts

219 months

Sunday 6th September 2015
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Funny how times change. I loved my Mk 1 GTi (it was a Jetta called the GLi though) but I absolutely hated my Mk2 16 valve. I cannot see why, in a road-going version of a car, fifth gear is a direct top, not overdrive. Believe me, driving from Leicester to Gleneagles was a nightmare, the engine turning at 4000 rpm for 80 mph. I only kept it a short while from new and sold it to a friend who kept it as a fun car. That it was, but I can remember even to this day the relentless buzz of the engine above 70 mph. Very tiring.

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Sunday 6th September 2015
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Son has just purchased a Golf GTi Mk 2. A 1991 car that has had a ground up restoration, photographic documents and bills. Fitted with a 2.8 engine from a Corrado VR6. Featured magazine car in 2003, a great little car for 3.4k.

rb5er

11,657 posts

178 months

Sunday 6th September 2015
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crankedup said:
Fitted with a 2.8 engine from a Corrado VR6.
So you mean it had the 2.9 vr6 engine? Or it has the 2.8 from the golf?


kmpowell

3,127 posts

234 months

Sunday 6th September 2015
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rb5er said:
So you mean it had the 2.9 vr6 engine? Or it has the 2.8 from the golf?
Either way, it destroys the sublime handling of the MK2, and it'll never have the rock solid value for originallity.