Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[Maxdecel]

aeropilot said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225998626978?mkcid=16&a...

Interesting, Special Build, export, and in Copper Bronze Metallic.

That really is a glorious colour, first known to me at a show just a few years ago, it was immaculate. Didn't know it was an option.

[aeropilot]

Maxdecel said:

aeropilot said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225998626978?mkcid=16&a...

Interesting, Special Build, export, and in Copper Bronze Metallic.

That really is a glorious colour, first known to me at a show just a few years ago, it was immaculate. Didn't know it was an option.

There were a few colours that were available on AVO stuff, but never officially appeared in any lists, as Ford couldn't be bothered to keep reprinting them for the limited AVO stuff. Copper Bronze was one of those, as was later on, Vista Orange, and Marine Blue, and Black of course.
The new RS1600 that Ford loaned to HRH Prince Michael of Kent (I think when he patron of the RAC MSA?) was Copper Bronze, one of only a few RS1600's made in Copper Bronze.
In the case of Special Build though, you could have any colour you wanted, even if it wasn't a standard Ford colour, if you were prepared to pay for it.

[AceRockatansky]

An acid dipped shell should be e coated to be done properly, as the inside of the box sections and back of the seams will all be bare metal and rusting. There is no way to get to them.

Will also need paint stripping in the oven again if it's been painted. Looking at around 4k off the bat.

[aeropilot]

AceRockatansky said:

An acid dipped shell should be e coated to be done properly, as the inside of the box sections and back of the seams will all be bare metal and rusting. There is no way to get to them.

[PAUL.S.]

You can see the acid leeching out of the joints in some of the photos, worse thing you can ever do to something with enclosed box sections.

However now that has been done the only remedy is as above to re dip then quickly e coat in the hope its is done properly which would be to also invert the shell as the oem,s now do, not just drop it in and trap air pocket so that the ecoat does not 100% get to all the exposed metal.

New cars have cavities designed to drain during the process, and old escort would not.

Dipping seems a great option but the downsides far outweigh the benefits, media blast every time, then a galv coat as retropower do to all their builds is a far better solution.

Great project though for someone

[aeropilot]

PAUL.S. said:

You can see the acid leeching out of the joints in some of the photos, worse thing you can ever do to something with enclosed box sections.

However now that has been done the only remedy is as above to re dip then quickly e coat in the hope its is done properly which would be to also invert the shell as the oem,s now do, not just drop it in and trap air pocket so that the ecoat does not 100% get to all the exposed metal.

New cars have cavities designed to drain during the process, and old escort would not.

Dipping seems a great option but the downsides far outweigh the benefits, media blast every time, then a galv coat as retropower do to all their builds is a far better solution.

Yep, every body man I know that works with old cars with monocoque shells from the 50's to 90's era, do not recommend acid dipping at all.
As you say, media blasting only.

[I-am-the-reverend]

Given the cost of restoring a shell, the best option might be a brand new one from Magnum (12k?) and sell the old one for 3 or 4 grand.

Acid dipping is hideous - sandblasting all the way followed up with paint stripping the roof and rear quarters.

[Legacywr]

I-am-the-reverend said:

Given the cost of restoring a shell, the best option might be a brand new one from Magnum (12k?) and sell the old one for 3 or 4 grand.

It'd be classed as a re-shell, to be avoided if possible.

[AceRockatansky]

I-am-the-reverend said:

Given the cost of restoring a shell, the best option might be a brand new one from Magnum (12k?) and sell the old one for 3 or 4 grand.

Acid dipping is hideous - sandblasting all the way followed up with paint stripping the roof and rear quarters.

12k? MST want 23k.

https://motorsport-tools.com/catalog/product/view/...

Air pockets aren't a problem for the e coat, as you add the drainage in the form of extra holes. But yes, OEM's design their parts to be dipped so there is a difference, but it's still a good process if well thought out.

Escort chassis rails are open at the top and most of the cavities have good drainage, but you shouldn't weld any closed until the process is complete.

Infact no process is infallible, using weld through primer can be burnt off the inside when welded and still expose an area to rust you can't see.

Edited by AceRockatansky on Tuesday 13th February 12:19

[vpr]

I had my 68 charger acid dipped and e coated by a well known firm.

I will NEVER. Go this route again. Indeed I’ve since done another 10 full restos I’d imagine all sandblast route.

The charger was an all original panelled car and once painted it started erupting around all the seems. I was absolutely gutted having spend 80k on the resto

[Maxdecel]

aeropilot said:

Looks a nice car, and done reasonably well.....although I always find it odd, that someone goes to the lengths of getting so much stuff correct, and then fail massively by painting the wheel spoke inserts black

Looks like black inserts are a "thing" - https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1980-ford-escort...

Quite a variety at Race Retro, a couple that caught my eye:-
https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1982-opel-manta-...
MarkAS Might be interested IIRC? - https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1982-talbot-sunb...

Couple of RS500's between £75k - £100k. DJH collection Oh and a spare engine !

[aeropilot]

Maxdecel said:

MarkAS Might be interested IIRC? - https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1982-talbot-sunb...

Nicely done......just a shame about the bloody glass sunroof though.
But roof panels were like hens teeth when I was buying up NOS panels for mine 30+ years ago, when Peugeot were still stocking a lot of panels for the Sunbeam.

Estimate is a little high IMHO.....but will be interesting to see what it sells for, if it sells.

[aeropilot]

Maxdecel said:

Quite a variety at Race Retro, a couple that caught my eye:-
https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1982-opel-manta-...

V.nice

Still prefer the Ascona 400 though.......I actually turned down the chance to buy one 30 years ago

[Mark A S]

Maxdecel said:

MarkAS Might be interested IIRC? - https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1982-talbot-sunb...

Ha, Aero knows this, but that is the sister car of my 2nd LS back in Jan 82, GCR 315X which i looked at in August 2022 with a view to buy it back after 40 years, sadly though, no deal could be done as i suspect the engine was down on 1 cylinder.
Both cars came from EMA in Southsea.
Pic of it back in mid 82 sometime

[TarquinMX5]

Considering that this thread started with a MK1, am I the only one that thinks that the MK1 RS2000 has aged better than the MK2?

I prefer the look of the black-insert wheels, favourite colour scheme Modena Green with broad stripe but I know nowt about Fords, so will no doubt be castigated for saying so on this thread..

Looking at an options price list from c1972, it shows metallic paint (Stardust) at £7.44 + £0.62 Car Tax, total £8.06 +vat; opening rear quarter window £7.75 + £0.65 Car Tax, Total £8.40 + vat.

Compare those prices to the recently-released Aston Martin DB12, where Spirit Silver paint is an £8,200 option. Possibly working with slightly higher margins than Ford were back then?

[Mark A S]

TarquinMX5 said:

Considering that this thread started with a MK1, am I the only one that thinks that the MK1 RS2000 has aged better than the MK2?

Not sure about aged better, but IMO the Mk 1 was always a prettier car than the Mk 2. The 2 is however an easier car to live with on the road, better visibility and all that, not quite as strong as a Mk 1 though.

Both great cars, i think the late great Roger Clark said, "Same car, different clothes"

[Legacywr]

We’re prepared to pay much more for cars now. Manufacturers know this, and price accordingly.

Quite like the thought of a Mk8.5 Gokf R, but I expect them to be £50k…

[aeropilot]

TarquinMX5 said:

Considering that this thread started with a MK1, am I the only one that thinks that the MK1 RS2000 has aged better than the MK2?

I prefer the look of the black-insert wheels, favourite colour scheme Modena Green with broad stripe but I know nowt about Fords, so will no doubt be castigated for saying so on this thread..

Not from me you won't...I was only ever a Mk.1 owner, couldn't quite bring myself to join the tupperware party

I also owned a Twin Cam and briefly a Mexico as well.

(to drop into my old RS2000 Registrar anorak mode from my days on AVO OC committee) the inserts on the RS alloys on the Mk.1 were never black, they were a metallic graphite grey in colour )

[I-am-the-reverend]

Mark A S said:

Not sure about aged better, but IMO the Mk 1 was always a prettier car than the Mk 2. The 2 is however an easier car to live with on the road, better visibility and all that, not quite as strong as a Mk 1 though.

Both great cars, i think the late great Roger Clark said, "Same car, different clothes"

'Same car, different view' I think.

As for styling, imo the two door versions of the Avenger and HB Viva were better looking.

The Mark 2 was a useful improvement - the 1600 Sport I had was a nicer car to live with than the Mark 1 Mexico and didn't need much tweakery to be equally handy.

[AceRockatansky]

I like the MK1 as a road car, much nicer lines and better decals.

But as a rally/track car, a mk2 with wide arches is hard to beat.