NO MORE MODIFIED CLASSICS (or any other modifieds either)
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Off Topic Slightly - Breadvan, what's your opinion on no road tax for classics? My opinion at the time it was brought in was, and remains, it's not good because if you're paying the government nothing you have no political voice. I saw it as the thinnest of thin ends of a very long wedge to eventually outlaw ancient cars. It looks good at first glance but is sinister in intent.
I don't think that there was any sinister intention. Cock ups are common, conspiracies are rare. It was just, I think, a minor concession. It is pretty much irrelevant, I reckon, as if a person can't afford a tax disc, can they really afford to look after an old car, even a basic one? Even if you do all your own maintenance, you still have to buy parts, fuel, oil, insurance, and so on. Is the saving of a tax disc that much of a big deal, even if operating on a budget? OK, every little helps, I suppose.
I regard the facts that my gas guzzling 1970 Jensen Interceptor does not pay road tax, and is exempt from the Congestion Charge (or, at least, the C-Charge is not enforced against it) as pretty absurd.
I regard the facts that my gas guzzling 1970 Jensen Interceptor does not pay road tax, and is exempt from the Congestion Charge (or, at least, the C-Charge is not enforced against it) as pretty absurd.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 1st September 21:24
This from the EU:-
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Breadvan72 said:
I regard the facts that my gas guzzling 1970 Jensen Interceptor does not pay road tax, and is exempt from the Congestion Charge (or, at least, the C-Charge is not enforced against it) as pretty absurd.
Hmmm... not sure whether to risk fine by bringing TR6 in on business trips.BREADVAN 72 I think you are a plant you seem to be trying to alay peoples fears if this legislation becomes law it will be allmost imposible to repeal and too late to protest.the eu doesnt listen to the ordinary guy in the street.this is the conspiracy as i see it ,the manufacturers want us buying new cars.not keeping them going for as long as we can.there is no money in it for them or the governments.the car companies wont keep making spares for long and will fade out production.the law will require you to fit origional parts only spurious parts will become illegal with fines for their use.and checks made during mot s.the insurance companies will require you to declare you are using only standard parts.consquences of using non standard parts will be the insurance companies will not pay out in accidents.the pigs will treat you as if you had no insurance,points on licence,off the road ,you will find it v hard to get insured again after that.stock parts wont be available so you recycle the car and buy another another car battery powered this time.revenue will want to know where you are getting the money to buy a new car every 5-6 years.end result will be poor people buying bicycles.there wont be a need for new motorways and the political elite will be able to drive on empty roads ,motoring will have gone back to the days when only the rich and politicans ,not forgetting the party faithfull will be able to . afford to drive.hopefully the people will revolt and get out of europe before we are all tattoo d with a bar code.the winners will be the car makers and the government and the faceless nazis at the centre of the eu
Edited by nunattax on Wednesday 12th September 16:56
pls note that a certain Mr Roger Mellie has today put forward the following to he Commission:
Roger Mellie says:
September 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Thank you very much for the posting.
Could you please answer the following so that we have proper clarification?
What is meant by ‘day to day’ use? Does this mean commercial use, or simply a historic vehicle used as daily transport? And how will it be enforced?
Can you please respond to the other press/internet hype concerning:
Harmonisation of EU transport rules
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
Rules on vehicle modifications to Historic Vehicles
Trailer registration and testing
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uk.admin says:
September 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm
several questions here…we’ll look into it and respond
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Roger Mellie says:
September 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Thank you very much for the posting.
Could you please answer the following so that we have proper clarification?
What is meant by ‘day to day’ use? Does this mean commercial use, or simply a historic vehicle used as daily transport? And how will it be enforced?
Can you please respond to the other press/internet hype concerning:
Harmonisation of EU transport rules
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
Rules on vehicle modifications to Historic Vehicles
Trailer registration and testing
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uk.admin says:
September 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm
several questions here…we’ll look into it and respond
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Breadvan72 said:
Have you heard about the secret EU conspiracy to steal all our punctuation and capital letters and make us all write nonsensical paranoid rants in one unbroken chunk of text?
if you were interested in preventing this leglislation you would not be concerned with spelling capitals etc.have you got your barcode done yetnunattax said:
Breadvan72 said:
Have you heard about the secret EU conspiracy to steal all our punctuation and capital letters and make us all write nonsensical paranoid rants in one unbroken chunk of text?
if you were interested in preventing this leglislation you would not be concerned with spelling capitals etc.have you got your barcode done yetI am pleased, Breadvan, that my XKSS has not lost 90% of its value overnight! Phew. Now I wonder, if the EU is now be trying to bring the majority of European countries into line, if the re-emergence of the biennial MOT and four years before it commences will again rear its head? Also, will France be dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th (I will not try for the 21st) century and accept specials and modified cars?
Breadvan72 said:
This from the EU:-
Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Well, guess thats alright now.Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.
The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.
All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.
What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.
The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/press-reports-...
Strangely VOSA don't seem to read your posts.....
http://links.govdelivery.com/track?type=click&...
What is your point? That questionnaire was covered earlier in the various threads on this. You may recall that we were told that heinous new rules would be introduced in six weeks. That was two months ago, and no new rules have been introduced (save for the previously advertised removal of testing requirements from pre 1960 cars).
This was and remains an unfounded scare story. My posts don't matter, but read what the Commission says.
This was and remains an unfounded scare story. My posts don't matter, but read what the Commission says.
Breadvan72 said:
My posts don't matter,
Well, I guess you got that bit right.It remains true, that without the so called scare story very little if any fuss would have been made over this or anything else the EU tries to slip through as a 'proposal' Regardless of what the commission says, I am of the opinion that if they could impose their will, they would. There are precious few in the EU who give a rats what the UK thinks (Until they want our money that is) and nothing anyone here says would make a difference to the slow marching of time towards the day when legislation will make a dramatic difference to what we can and can't do to our own cars. The only thing that would stave it off is the kind of fuss that has been made recently by interested parties.
And while there are those that insist, this is just a proposal, it's just a proposal... You don't write proposals unless you intend them, or large elements of them to become law at some stage, otherwise what's the point? You don't put on a condom unless you gonna f
k for crying out loud!I will be labelled a doomsayer, (And frankly couldn't care less) but who here can honestly say - hand on heart - that legislation in one form or another, be it from the EU or the UK, has not already at some time changed what they can and can't legally get away with on their own vehicles?
If you modify your cars, I'll wager you couldn't say that.
Edited by T0nup on Saturday 27th October 12:15
T0nup said:
who here can honestly say - hand on heart - that legislation in one form or another, be it from the EU or the UK, has not already at some time changed what they can and can't legally get away with on their own vehicles?
If you modify your cars, I'll wager you couldn't say that.
I can't think of any legislation in the past ten years that has affected how I enjoy my Rileys. Perhaps you could advise me of something I may have missed? In the meantime, like Breadvan, I'm going out for a drive.If you modify your cars, I'll wager you couldn't say that.
Edited by T0nup on Saturday 27th October 12:15
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