The Range Rover Classic thread

[xjsracer44]

Of course Cappo you can PM me

[CAPP0]

DonkeyApple said:

Here's another thought. LPG needs different timing than petrol doesn't it? In the ideal world should the map be changed when the fuel switches? In cheap systems I bet they just bodge the timing between the two to just get a best fit.

My understanding is that LPG burns slower than petrol so needs quite a big advance to give more time to burn. I've never used LPG and don't know much at all about it but it's a different fuel so will burn differently and so require different timing to petrol.

Does your car start on LPG? What if the install was done to favour starting on LPG as it allowed for the best timing bodge while running under load between the two fuel types?

I'm hugely grateful for the amount of thought and analysis which is being offered here, I really am.

I don't know the answer to that question, however, as far as I can remember it never started on LPG; it had to start on petrol and wouldn't flick over to LPG until it was warm (if you push the LPG button, the light would flash as it tried to switch but then give up, until warm).

The LPG installation is, I think, from my very limited knowledge, one of the better/more advanced ones. It has what appears to be it's own ECU under the bonnet. I'll dig out the receipt and see what make it is.

xjs, I'll drop you a note tomorrow, my bed calls!

[soxboy]

A couple of Rangies in the next ACA sale, with quite different prices:

http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...

http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...

[DonkeyApple]

£30k for a soft dash diesel seems very optimistic regardless of mileage.

[octainejunkee]

As it's due to snow soon ive looked into bringing my lse out of storage...
Havent noticed how much theyve shot up in value...

Think I'll be buying myself a cheap Jeep and putting my cherished LSE up on here for sale...

As much as i love it- it's only brought out when the really bad weather comes and i cant justify having something worth how ever much it is worth now- as a winter toy..

Everything works and it has no rust on top or underneath - always undersealed and dry stored when not in use.. Am i missing something or are all working LSE's worth big £££££ now days?

cheers Jamie

[Paracetamol]

New stripes..these have been painted in to produce a neater finish

Edited by Paracetamol on Wednesday 11th January 07:05

[RicksAlfas]

CAPP0 said:

I'm hugely grateful for the amount of thought and analysis which is being offered here, I really am.

I don't know the answer to that question, however, as far as I can remember it never started on LPG; it had to start on petrol and wouldn't flick over to LPG until it was warm (if you push the LPG button, the light would flash as it tried to switch but then give up, until warm).

The LPG installation is, I think, from my very limited knowledge, one of the better/more advanced ones. It has what appears to be it's own ECU under the bonnet. I'll dig out the receipt and see what make it is.

xjs, I'll drop you a note tomorrow, my bed calls!

Ah. Now this rings a bell. You haven't got one of these anywhere have you?
http://www.v8engines.com/faq-lpg-ign.htm#advance-r...
It's a strange device which lets the timing be set for LPG, and then alters it for petrol. If that's failed, you will be stuck on LPG timing...

[RicksAlfas]

DonkeyApple said:

The fact that it does eventually start just suggests to me that timing and the dizzy is OK. I mentioned last week the ignition amp, it could be that that's failing and leading to a feeble spark.

How does it run when it does get going? And does it drink more than or the same as Olly Reed did?

All I can think is that it's a feeble spark or drowning in fuel.

I agree. I would be swapping the amp. They are less than £20.

[squirdan]

Paracetamol said:

New stripes..these have been painted in to produce a neater finish

Edited by Paracetamol on Wednesday 11th January 07:05

Looks very tidy I like that a lot

[RicksAlfas]

Paracetamol said:

New stripes..these have been painted in to produce a neater finish

Looks lovely. You seem to be missing the usual green moss around the base of the C-pillar.

[Paracetamol]

Thanks- the wheels should be done by tomorrow and then ready to register (its already passed the MOT equivalent). Really excited. Even with my fleet of cars I have loved RRC's since I had a ride in a cop one in 1987 after I ran out of fuel on the M62!

[DonkeyApple]

Paracetamol said:

Thanks- the wheels should be done by tomorrow and then ready to register (its already passed the MOT equivalent). Really excited. Even with my fleet of cars I have loved RRC's since I had a ride in a cop one in 1987 after I ran out of fuel on the M62!

Aircon checked?

[squirdan]

I inherited this In Vogue brochure with a car

Excellent condition

On eBay but deal to be done for anyone on this thread

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182418101586

Range Rover In Vogue Brochure 12 pages, from the first 2door model

[CAPP0]

RicksAlfas said:

Ah. Now this rings a bell. You haven't got one of these anywhere have you?
http://www.v8engines.com/faq-lpg-ign.htm#advance-r...
It's a strange device which lets the timing be set for LPG, and then alters it for petrol. If that's failed, you will be stuck on LPG timing...

That doesn't look familiar, can't recall seeing one anywhere, but I'll double-check. Connected somehow to the ignition amp if I'm reading that correctly?

The LPG was installed by this place http://lpgautoconversions.co.uk/ but their website doesn't state which make they use, and it's not on the receipt (cost £1800 plus VAT when installed). I will have a look later and see whether I can find a make/model anywhere. I know it has this ECU-type thing fitted to the OS inner wing. I also recall that when I spoke to the installer, he said that removing the main fuse (which I have done) would disable the entire system; then again, if there is a timing requirement somehow driven by the system, perhaps we are indeed back to square 1 and the timing is not being spoofed and is therefore miles out? I can whack the fuse back in and see if it will start at all (which it won't currently).

Can I just ask someone to double-check, this is the amp I need?

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-STC1184P1

(Can't find one no the Simon BBC site?)

And NGK BPR6ES plugs??

Thanks gents.

[DonkeyApple]

I'd have bitten your hand off if I still had the car.

[RicksAlfas]

CAPP0 said:

That doesn't look familiar, can't recall seeing one anywhere, but I'll double-check. Connected somehow to the ignition amp if I'm reading that correctly?

The LPG was installed by this place http://lpgautoconversions.co.uk/ but their website doesn't state which make they use, and it's not on the receipt (cost £1800 plus VAT when installed). I will have a look later and see whether I can find a make/model anywhere. I know it has this ECU-type thing fitted to the OS inner wing. I also recall that when I spoke to the installer, he said that removing the main fuse (which I have done) would disable the entire system; then again, if there is a timing requirement somehow driven by the system, perhaps we are indeed back to square 1 and the timing is not being spoofed and is therefore miles out? I can whack the fuse back in and see if it will start at all (which it won't currently).

Can I just ask someone to double-check, this is the amp I need?

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-STC1184P1

(Can't find one no the Simon BBC site?)

And NGK BPR6ES plugs??

Thanks gents.

Yes, those plugs are correct. Commonly used in lawn mowers!
http://www.lsengineers.co.uk/ngk-bpr6es-spark-plug...

All the modules these days seem to be three pin. I'm sure that's what yours will be.
You can get a three to two pin converter if required (I think I might have one at home).

http://www.simonbbc.com/ignition_modules_and_spare...
http://www.totalparts.co.uk/land-rover/stc1184-ign... - cheap!

[squirdan]

Stripes you say?

The vendors original deal fell through so I snapped it up. In Vogue loveliness





nice history file with the car. The 2nd owner bought it in 1985 and kept it until 1998...did 60,000 miles and I'm thinking must have loved it. Note he was given only £1000 p/x for his J reg 2 door Range Rover in Tuscan Blue which must have been suffix A or B?

having paid £14k inc interest (not shown below but the finance was at 24% APR !!!) the car's low point was £1750 in 1998





ps bloody annoying why these photos are going sideways. no idea why apologies !

Edited by squirdan on Wednesday 11th January 19:55

[CAPP0]

RicksAlfas said:

Yes, those plugs are correct. Commonly used in lawn mowers!
http://www.lsengineers.co.uk/ngk-bpr6es-spark-plug...

All the modules these days seem to be three pin. I'm sure that's what yours will be.
You can get a three to two pin converter if required (I think I might have one at home).

http://www.simonbbc.com/ignition_modules_and_spare...
http://www.totalparts.co.uk/land-rover/stc1184-ign... - cheap!

Thanks. Ordered the BBC one, few quid more but buy cheap, buy twice and all that! Plugs on way too, that lawnmower site is a bargain!

[CAPP0]

OK, this gets curiouser! Today I emailed the LPG fitter (couldn't raise him on the phone) and briefly explained the issue. He replied this evening and this is what he said, word for word:

"Either the lpg system has been incorrectly repaired/adjusted or has defective injectors which have corrupted the fuel timings on the petrol ecu.

Well, it certainly hasn't been repaired or adjusted in my ownership, and prior to that it was still under warranty so I doubt the PO took it anywhere else. I've asked the fitter to clarify what he means above - does anyone understand that comment? DA, I know you said a page or so back about LPG and timing but I think we were talking about ignition timing.

Also, I've been in touch with xjsracer and not only has he very kindly offered me the loan of some parts, it turns out his car is not that far from me either, so that's all coming together nicely too.

[CAPP0]

LPG fitter didn't have records of what system was fitted. I spoke to him this morning, and whilst the system is intrinsically wired into the existing petrol system, removing the main fuse disables it entirely into a "petrol only" mode, i.e. back to original. He says he's never known an EMER system fail.