Petition: Reinstate The 25 Year Rolling Road Tax Exemption
Discussion
atlex said:
What a complete and utter waste of electrons.The Petition said:
The Tories promised to reinstate this when elected, but instead chose 40 years.
As I recall it, they promised to consider reinstating it, not to just do it. Misquoting it won't help the argument. I'd sign if I thought it would make any difference, perhaps have a look again in a month at how many signatures it gets. 315 at the moment.They produced a budget document when the 40-year rolling (well, jumping) exemption was introduced that stated the estimated impact on the exchequer, identifying a £5m cost for 2016-2017, £10m for the next year, and £15m for the next year. So they're not unaware of the impact of extending VED exemption. The document expected it to add roughly 10,000 vehicles each year, so setting the date at 25 years would add 150,000 straight away, a much bigger impact and one that is perhaps more difficult to justify.
Edited by droopsnoot on Tuesday 26th January 11:06
Be very careful what you wish for - it may come true!
I'd be much happier paying £200 a year VED on my '58 Ford and being in the PLG tax bracket than saving it and potentially being an easily identifiable target for restricted use.
Sometimes you need to think about the wider picture than saving £16 a month!
I'd be much happier paying £200 a year VED on my '58 Ford and being in the PLG tax bracket than saving it and potentially being an easily identifiable target for restricted use.
Sometimes you need to think about the wider picture than saving £16 a month!
Yes when it first appeared, unasked for, many of us saw it as the thin end of a restricted use wedge.
I'm happy to have been wrong in this instance but as so many other countries have gone the restricted use way I'm not sanguine.
Similarly the abolition of obligatory MoT certification a couple of years ago was not asked for and is far from universally popular. We all know of people whose cars are a mechanical disgrace, but at least when they had to pass an annual inspection the unsafe aspects had to be fixed.
I'm happy to have been wrong in this instance but as so many other countries have gone the restricted use way I'm not sanguine.
Similarly the abolition of obligatory MoT certification a couple of years ago was not asked for and is far from universally popular. We all know of people whose cars are a mechanical disgrace, but at least when they had to pass an annual inspection the unsafe aspects had to be fixed.
Allan L said:
Yes when it first appeared, unasked for, many of us saw it as the thin end of a restricted use wedge.
I'm happy to have been wrong in this instance but as so many other countries have gone the restricted use way I'm not sanguine.
Similarly the abolition of obligatory MoT certification a couple of years ago was not asked for and is far from universally popular. We all know of people whose cars are a mechanical disgrace, but at least when they had to pass an annual inspection the unsafe aspects had to be fixed.
Indeed, my 1930 car has been to the supermarket, DIY sheds and lots of other boring places. And in the UK, you could do the same with a 1898 Benz if you had one. I'm happy to have been wrong in this instance but as so many other countries have gone the restricted use way I'm not sanguine.
Similarly the abolition of obligatory MoT certification a couple of years ago was not asked for and is far from universally popular. We all know of people whose cars are a mechanical disgrace, but at least when they had to pass an annual inspection the unsafe aspects had to be fixed.
The MOT situation may not stay, although the difficulty had with it before would bite hard. I know at least one owner of a old car who had to dangerously overtighten steering joints to get a pass - then in the road outside the test centre, loosen them in order to safely drive home. Testers who understand the engineering of old cars are members of a small and shrinking club.
Slidingpillar said:
Indeed, my 1930 car has been to the supermarket, DIY sheds and lots of other boring places. And in the UK, you could do the same with a 1898 Benz if you had one.
The MOT situation may not stay, although the difficulty had with it before would bite hard. I know at least one owner of a old car who had to dangerously overtighten steering joints to get a pass - then in the road outside the test centre, loosen them in order to safely drive home. Testers who understand the engineering of old cars are members of a small and shrinking club.
I think the situation about MOTs was probably asked for by the MOT industry. Lots of testing stations didn't understand older vehicles and probably argued it wasn't economically viable for them to offer testing on them.The MOT situation may not stay, although the difficulty had with it before would bite hard. I know at least one owner of a old car who had to dangerously overtighten steering joints to get a pass - then in the road outside the test centre, loosen them in order to safely drive home. Testers who understand the engineering of old cars are members of a small and shrinking club.
I think it would have been better if they'd allowed MOT test stations to opt out of testing older cars. I'm sure there would have been enough left that could have served our needs.
I know I didn't just take my XK150 down to the nearest test station. You looked for someone you trusted and knew understood your kind of car.
a8hex said:
I think the situation about MOTs was probably asked for by the MOT industry. Lots of testing stations didn't understand older vehicles and probably argued it wasn't economically viable for them to offer testing on them.
I think it would have been better if they'd allowed MOT test stations to opt out of testing older cars.
Actually, I think it was the EU that started the matter although I don't doubt some testers would have asked for testing on old cars to be stopped.I think it would have been better if they'd allowed MOT test stations to opt out of testing older cars.
The difficulty is, with a scheme that allowed testers to opt out you could end up with a ridiculous journey needed in some locations that in the conventional sense, are not that isolated.
TooMany2cvs said:
Quite the opposite. The blanket pre-60 MOT exemption puts the UK in breach of the EU vehicle testing directives, which only allow for historic MOT exemptions to apply to vehicles to basically original spec.
According to my memory, both apply. The cessation of MOTs on pre 60 stuff was sparked by an earlier EU directive, and the not yet implemented 2014/45/EC is the one you are talking about. But, the UK is not in breach, as the implementation date is 19th May 2018. So two and a bit years to sort stuff out. Slidingpillar said:
a8hex said:
I think the situation about MOTs was probably asked for by the MOT industry. Lots of testing stations didn't understand older vehicles and probably argued it wasn't economically viable for them to offer testing on them.
I think it would have been better if they'd allowed MOT test stations to opt out of testing older cars.
Actually, I think it was the EU that started the matter although I don't doubt some testers would have asked for testing on old cars to be stopped.I think it would have been better if they'd allowed MOT test stations to opt out of testing older cars.
The difficulty is, with a scheme that allowed testers to opt out you could end up with a ridiculous journey needed in some locations that in the conventional sense, are not that isolated.
Now, I heard a totally different story. The ever increasing number of cars requiring an MOT test couldn't be accomodated by the decreasing number of MOT stations. Therefore the exememption was introduced to reduce pressure on the system. For the same reason, there is now talk that testing for new vehicles may not be needed until they are 5 years old rather than 3 at present.
I have no idea if the above is true, but it did come from inside the trade.
I have no idea if the above is true, but it did come from inside the trade.
chevy55 said:
I've MOTd various old cars from as early as a 1930 Lagonda and 1933 Rolls Royce which have less regs to follow than newer cars which in fact makes them easier and often quicker to test.
Indeed there are less regs, but the fact remains, stuff like steering joints has evolved and you could spend a lifetime MOT testing and never see the type which fit on a a tapered rod, held down by a spring. Do the nut up on the end so tight you have no up and down play, although the steering will work in the workshop, a bump in the road and the steering will jam. The Lagonda and Rolls Royce you mention will have had a speedometer fitted from new as they are both luxury cars. But fact remains, until some point in 1934, neither needed one as far as the law was concerned so both could be presented for MOTs and pass without a speedo.
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