911 novice thread
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Ok I've a thread running at present for a classic car search but theres a very good chance of me going for a nice 911 that would hold its value for a couple of yrs while i experienced ownership. Budget would be 25-30k and I'm looking for help and suggestions please as to which model to go for.
Aircooled would be fine but i dont want anything I'd need to deal with bodywork or rot issues. I'd also want to avoid modern engines with issues (is that the 996 model? )
Cheers
Aircooled would be fine but i dont want anything I'd need to deal with bodywork or rot issues. I'd also want to avoid modern engines with issues (is that the 996 model? )
Cheers
You will find a lot of cars that fit your description. Air cooled you might get a 993 (circa 1993 - 1998) but the prices on those have gone up masses recently. The 964 (1990-1994 ish) is a good choice also and has become very popular once more after many years being a bit unloved.
Personally I would have a 996 turbo. The 996 is a fantastic, very under-rated car (although that is beginning to change) and the turbo version does not share an engine with the regular car. 25-30k would get you a very nice one and you'll have a very modern, very fast car that should be (relatively) trouble free.
Personally I would have a 996 turbo. The 996 is a fantastic, very under-rated car (although that is beginning to change) and the turbo version does not share an engine with the regular car. 25-30k would get you a very nice one and you'll have a very modern, very fast car that should be (relatively) trouble free.
Thanks for that. Typically what would service intervals and costs be on a 996 turbo with a specialist instead of main dealers?
It would be a 3k miles pa car in all honesty so hopefully not mega bucks running costs. I service my own cars generally but i know to retain value in something like that would need dealer or specialist book upkeep
It would be a 3k miles pa car in all honesty so hopefully not mega bucks running costs. I service my own cars generally but i know to retain value in something like that would need dealer or specialist book upkeep
A quick trawl on autotrader reveals lots and lots of 3.6 and 3.8 carreras in the 20to30k range but is that the model with all the engine problems?
Not many turbos listed but this looked v nice
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
( ignoring lh drive lol)
Not many turbos listed but this looked v nice
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
( ignoring lh drive lol)
That boat went 3 /4 years ago
You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
They're out there
Unless you get air cooled I'd forget your dreams of doing all your servicing yourself.
It's challenging on 993's also
Also forget the it only costs one service a year to run a 911
The best way, they cost between two to three grand a year to run
Nothing's cheap on a Porsche
Nothing
You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
They're out there
Unless you get air cooled I'd forget your dreams of doing all your servicing yourself.
It's challenging on 993's also
Also forget the it only costs one service a year to run a 911
The best way, they cost between two to three grand a year to run
Nothing's cheap on a Porsche
Nothing
Edited by stuttgartmetal on Saturday 28th February 12:49
stuttgartmetal said:
That boat went 3 /4 years ago
You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
Do you mean budget range wont stretch to a turbo or the actual running costs?You won't run a turbo
The996 C4S secret is out, they've all gone up
993's ain't moving
964's have become pedestal-ised far beyond their worth
Carrera 3.2's all need bodywork, or are 35k
Why don't you consider a Cayman or Boxster
Or a 968 Clubsport
A 997 is out there for you, but will depreciate
I'd consider a 3.8s
Carrera 3.2s- would you get one for 35k which had bodywork sorted properly and is it a major issue on them?
Priority would be something not needing work, body or mechanical
I spoke with a specialist today re the ims bearing issues relating to 1998-2008 year cayman,boxsters and 911`s (except turbo gt2/3) and he has only seen 3 total engine rebuilds needed...
He told me that from 2005 larger stronger bearings were fitted at the factory and would be a safer bet,this company do ims bearing retrofit work and rebuilds too but gave information without being pushy about the work.The 993 is my fav model but tbh if a nice 996 came up i would now feel a bit more confident..
Cost for a rebuild due to the ims failure is approx 5-8k but a retrofit ims bearing can be fitted for approx 1k unless the engine has to be removed also tiptronic models cost more too....link http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/offers.html
Good luck with the hunt,im on the same journey!!!
He told me that from 2005 larger stronger bearings were fitted at the factory and would be a safer bet,this company do ims bearing retrofit work and rebuilds too but gave information without being pushy about the work.The 993 is my fav model but tbh if a nice 996 came up i would now feel a bit more confident..
Cost for a rebuild due to the ims failure is approx 5-8k but a retrofit ims bearing can be fitted for approx 1k unless the engine has to be removed also tiptronic models cost more too....link http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/offers.html
Good luck with the hunt,im on the same journey!!!
stuttgartmetal said:
You'll get a sorted 964 or 993 for that money.
Put some ads out
You need to drive some to see what you like.
Turbos just cost to run
Remember you're buying at a peak in the market
I just can't see the bubble remaining intact
Why not buy an M3 and look again in a year ?
Thats not the worst idea ever tbh. You think a genuine price drop is coming? Put some ads out
You need to drive some to see what you like.
Turbos just cost to run
Remember you're buying at a peak in the market
I just can't see the bubble remaining intact
Why not buy an M3 and look again in a year ?
stuttgartmetal said:
The last two times cars became investments over bricks and mortar the bottom fell substantially out of them
I can see 964's at 25k again.
Still getting used to the various model designations but i prefer the classic look of the 964headlights.I can see 964's at 25k again.
Sorry for being a pain but which is the model with the fairly disastrous engine issues which caused so much fuss at the time?
Just reading this website and its partially answered the question but doesnt say which size engine as such? Is it the newer watercooled engine that had the bearing issues as opposed to the aircooled?
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 1st March 09:09
200Plus Club said:
Just reading this website and its partially answered the question but doesnt say which size engine as such? Is it the newer watercooled engine that had the bearing issues as opposed to the aircooled?
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
caymen,boxster,911 from 1998 to 2008 (2005 on had stronger bearings) info from cavendishporsche (so yes watercooled).http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 1st March 09:09
Bore scoring is another issue and i havent looked at potential 964/993 issues yet!!
Edited by dufusmuppet on Sunday 1st March 09:46
dufusmuppet said:
200Plus Club said:
Just reading this website and its partially answered the question but doesnt say which size engine as such? Is it the newer watercooled engine that had the bearing issues as opposed to the aircooled?
http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
caymen,boxster,911 from 1998 to 2008 (2005 on had stronger bearings) info from cavendishporsche (so yes watercooled).http://www.cavendishporsche.co.uk/servicing.html
looks like decent priced independent servicing
Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 1st March 09:09
Bore scoring is another issue and i havent looked at potential 964/993 issues yet!!
Edited by dufusmuppet on Sunday 1st March 09:46
Going to look at this in ten minutez as its 4miles from my house and he has nice stock generally.
http://www.thecarspecialists.com.mobi.starkwood.co...
2008 have issues generally?
dufusmuppet said:
Not sure!!
Tbh the more i look into it the more im tempted by a m3 v8 approx 25k gets a nice 10/11 plate with low miles.Ive wanted a porsche for as long as i can remember but id have to stretch the budget to get a less troublesome one.
Fair comment. I could realistically get one but my budget is bang on troublesome range prices. The bubble for the genuine aircooled stuff thats nice looks to be 30k absolute minimum and rising. And some of them look very tired at the bottom end of that rangeTbh the more i look into it the more im tempted by a m3 v8 approx 25k gets a nice 10/11 plate with low miles.Ive wanted a porsche for as long as i can remember but id have to stretch the budget to get a less troublesome one.
The engine issues of the 996 are very well documented on the forums, but what people forget is its only a small percentage of the overall cars that have been affected, these were mass produced in their thousands, I read a report from a well respected specialist who puts 996 engine failures at less than 5% of total build numbers, yes it can happen but put it into realistic terms, its only the bad news that gets plastered all over the forums, I bet if every one who posted that they have a great M96 engine on the forums it would change the perspective a little bit.
I had a superb one, no trouble at all, and I was scared of the reputation, but in a good way its kept the prices down on the good cars so you can pick up a genuine bargain.
Just go in with your eyes open.
I had a superb one, no trouble at all, and I was scared of the reputation, but in a good way its kept the prices down on the good cars so you can pick up a genuine bargain.
Just go in with your eyes open.
I have had 3 Porsche 911s, a 3.2 Carrera Sport, a 3.4 996 and the GT3 I own now and none of them have cost a fortune in repairs and all been extremely reliable and a huge amount of fun, I have always bought the best car I can find and never regretted any of the purchases. But I must admit I don't cover huge miles as they have always been weekend and fun cars rather than my daily drivers.
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