BBC1 Tonight at 9 - To Kill a Burglar: The Tony Martin Story
Discussion
garyhun said:
You do like to make out that the 5 times is all a sham, don't you? I believe Tony Martin was being hounded by those pikeys on multiple occasions - FACT. And if you knew anything about these type of people it's that when they know they can get away with robbing a house they WILL return. So I'd be stupid to think about self defence would I? - sorry do not agree one bit with that. The fact that people are going to prison and the law is vague on this is exactly the issue here. I did not believe Tony Martin would be convicted, but he was. Therefore what you or I think has been proven to be irrelevant.
As has been said... you come into my house with the intent on doing harm then you pay the consequences.
Sorry, was your story true? Are you typing this from your hospital bed? If so, I apologise...otherwise, yes, the five times thing is technically a sham.
Read what I said. I said that you probably wouldn't think about what level of self-defence you could get away with when being attacked, and that the courts wouldn't just ignore that. The problem would come if, say, you stabbed him and he dropped the bat and fell to the floor clutching his spleen, and then you bent over him and slit his throat. Would you honestly, honestly just stand there whilst he bludgeoned you about the head because you were worried about what might happen if you stabbed him?
garyhun said:
I believe Tony Martin was being hounded by those pikeys on multiple occasions - FACT.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
Well they won't becoming back, which was the major worry was us when it happend....
Why would they come back if they've already nicked all your stuff...?
because your insurance has paid out and the replacement stuff has arrived... all shiny and new... just right to be taken again.
lord summerisle said:
Well they won't becoming back, which was the major worry was us when it happend....
Why would they come back if they've already nicked all your stuff...?
because your insurance has paid out and the replacement stuff has arrived... all shiny and new... just right to be taken again.
So...wait however long it takes for the insurance claim to be processed and for the goods to be replaced...then return to the scene of your previous crime...to burgle someone who has probably had burglar alarms installed and bought himself a nice hefty "chin up bar" (good thinking from Yugguy!)...who may well be "expecting" you...or just go somewhere else?
tonyvid said:
Living in South Norfolk; it is widely known that the local Labour party have been suppoting Brendon Fearon and even raised money to help him financially! At the same time they have ran various campaigns to discredit Tony Martin.
This is an absolute disgrace!
That just leaves me speechless.
Most of this was when Fearon tried to sue Tony Martin for damages. It is well known that he 'faked up' his injuries and the case was thrown out. The local loonies round here believe that Martin should not have been released. Fearon was even given a lift to court by a well known local Labour party official! They even chose the legal to represent him and encouraged him to pursue the case. Fearon could not have done this himself; as he is as thick as pigs**t! His appearence fee on the BBC documentry was arranged by the same Labour party member that gave him the lift to the court.
So...wait however long it takes for the insurance claim to be processed and for the goods to be replaced...then return to the scene of your previous crime...to burgle someone who has probably had burglar alarms installed and bought himself a nice hefty "chin up bar" (good thinking from Yugguy!)...who may well be "expecting" you...or just go somewhere else?
[/quote] your given the scum bag brains now you think a burglar is going to think oh i wont steal from him he may be expecting me ?
Ecks Ridgehead said:
Well they won't becoming back, which was the major worry was us when it happend....
Why would they come back if they've already nicked all your stuff...?
because your insurance has paid out and the replacement stuff has arrived... all shiny and new... just right to be taken again.
So...wait however long it takes for the insurance claim to be processed and for the goods to be replaced...then return to the scene of your previous crime...to burgle someone who has probably had burglar alarms installed and bought himself a nice hefty "chin up bar" (good thinking from Yugguy!)...who may well be "expecting" you...or just go somewhere else?
The phenomenom of repeated burglary of a single location is well documented for the reasons given by others above. The truth is that the majority of people aren't aware of this or don't believe it will happen to them again, until it does. It tends to happen more in less well-to-do areas where the residents won't have alot of money to spend on updating their security, but will just have enough (from their insurance or otherwise) to replace the TV and video/DVD.
Aerofoil said:
I think you might find that statistics prove that if you have been burgled once, you are more likely to be burgled again. And unless they have a bloody big van and a good few hours undisturbed I don't think they will be able to take everything of value in one go.
OK, I take on board the various posters' points about multiple burglaries.
One question ,what is the difference between whacking someone round the head with a baseball bat, or using a fire arm (if you legally own one and have never been in trouble before) surely it depends on what you have handy. I am pretty sure a whack in the face with a bat could seriously injure or kill someone, so what is reasonable force.
If I lived on a remote farm, had no neighbours for backup, had a wife and small children and 3 pikies are raiding my house... sorry if I had a gun I would consider using it if they didn't run off when they saw it. And to be honest, if you went at them with a baseball bat, I don't think that's a big enough deterrent to some people as if there were more than a couple, by the time you have attacked one, what's the chance of the others have gotten you? And what if you break one of their arms etc and they get away, what's to stop them coming back in a couple of weeks with some more mates and returning the favour....I think the main issue with burglary is that they know where you live, and short of moving there is nothing you can do about this.
I think what he said on the doc sums it up, they have a choice to burgle you, you don't have a choice to deal with the consequences.....
If I lived on a remote farm, had no neighbours for backup, had a wife and small children and 3 pikies are raiding my house... sorry if I had a gun I would consider using it if they didn't run off when they saw it. And to be honest, if you went at them with a baseball bat, I don't think that's a big enough deterrent to some people as if there were more than a couple, by the time you have attacked one, what's the chance of the others have gotten you? And what if you break one of their arms etc and they get away, what's to stop them coming back in a couple of weeks with some more mates and returning the favour....I think the main issue with burglary is that they know where you live, and short of moving there is nothing you can do about this.
I think what he said on the doc sums it up, they have a choice to burgle you, you don't have a choice to deal with the consequences.....
Ecks Ridgehead said:
Keeping what the law is and what your opinion on what the law should be apart, please explain why shooting a fleeing burglar in the back is different to raping them.
In Martin's case there was poor light and he could not be certain that the intruders were unarmed nor whether a noise was due to a burglar advancing or retreating. I don't see it is unreasonable to fire in the direction of what could well be a threat to ones life and as a juror would acquit.
To rape them he would first have to capture them, so neutralising the threat.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
This old woman cut me up the other day. Nice looking old lady she was, protested quite politely as I dragged her from her car. She said it wasn't her fault, she thought it was her right of way. Could've happened to anyone, she said. I didn't listen, though. I just put her head inside the car door and repeatedly slammed it on her until she was dead. Oh, sure, you may say it was unnecessary, but one thing's for sure, I dealt with the problem. She'll never cut me up again!
Man, you need to work the violence out of your system!
Tried shooting burglars?
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