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Joecooool said:
Personally I think the solution would be to tell the whole world that for every future attack on a western nation, the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism. Bomb London four times? We'll send four rockets into Syria and Iran. See how many times they take that before they end their funding.
These people only understand violence. When we catch them, kill them and bury their useless azzes with pigs. Let them know their actions will result in their bodies being desecrated.
All this would do is further fire the flames, the people who did this and other terror attacks do not care if innocent Muslims die, it simply helps their cause, they have even been given clerical clearance to do this in the cause of the greater task of clearing the Muslim countries of infidels and eventually exporting their brand of Islam to the world..
The people who did this live in Europe they no more care about Persian Iran or baathist Syria than they care about our country.
IMO this type of extremism has largely been fuelled by the entire Israeli question and before that by foreign involvement in the region, largely British though later American.
The second Iraq war did not start this, the American troops in KSA after the first are what gave OBL his opportunity to build on the hatred that the Palestinian problem had created, add to this the fact that Suadi people are gradually slipping into poverty as their population explodes and their greedy royal family bleed the country dry.
Prior to the Iraq war there was almost certainly no involvement of AQ in Iraq, they had completely opposing views to Saddam's largely secular state, now it is the biggest terror training ground in the world (along with Chechnya)with kids queuing up to have a pop at the hated Americans and being manipulated by clever commanders, those that survive come out battle hardened and ready to bring that experience to new fronts.
willmcc said:I don't disagree with that.
Personally I think the solution would be to tell the whole world that for every future attack on a western nation, the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism. Bomb London four times? We'll send four rockets into Syria and Iran. See how many times they take that before they end their funding.
These people only understand violence. When we catch them, kill them and bury their useless azzes with pigs. Let them know their actions will result in their bodies being desecrated.
All this would do is further fire the flames, the people who did this and other terror attacks do not care if innocent Muslims die, it simply helps their cause, they have even been given clerical clearance to do this in the cause of the greater task of clearing the Muslim countries of infidels and eventually exporting their brand of Islam to the world..
The people who did this live in Europe they no more care about Persian Iran or baathist Syria than they care about our country.
IMO this type of extremism has largely been fuelled by the entire Israeli question and before that by foreign involvement in the region, largely British though later American.
The second Iraq war did not start this, the American troops in KSA after the first are what gave OBL his opportunity to build on the hatred that the Palestinian problem had created, add to this the fact that Suadi people are gradually slipping into poverty as their population explodes and their greedy royal family bleed the country dry.
Prior to the Iraq war there was almost certainly no involvement of AQ in Iraq, they had completely opposing views to Saddam's largely secular state, now it is the biggest terror training ground in the world (along with Chechnya)with kids queuing up to have a pop at the hated Americans and being manipulated by clever commanders, those that survive come out battle hardened and ready to bring that experience to new fronts.
However, there is nothing we can do to change the past. It is what it is.
Find those responsible for terrorism and kill them. Find those who fund them and kill them. Its the only thing they understand.
Joecooool said:
Joecooool said:
the country thats always been there to help defend you.
Joecooool said:
the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism.
You mean that now the USA have finally stopped funding the IRA?
Yeah, its strange how opinions can change when something actually happens to you isn't it?
We spent years being bombed and shot at by the IRA who were well funded by the good old US of A. In fact they even had collection boxes (like a charity might).
Now, since 9/11 its been bomb any country where terrorists come from and bombe the people who fund them.
I think I've made my point.
Joecooool said:
Personally I think the solution would be to tell the whole world that for every future attack on a western nation, the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism. Bomb London four times? We'll send four rockets into Syria and Iran. See how many times they take that before they end their funding.
These people only understand violence. When we catch them, kill them and bury their useless azzes with pigs. Let them know their actions will result in their bodies being desecrated.
Its time to stop playing with the political correctness of the situation and start breaking some balls.
don't you get it? that's exactly what they're trying to provoke, more violence from us, more 'soldiers' who've lost their family to an indiscriminate rocket attack, more martyrs to their cause, more support. We need to think about this and box clever.
personally I still think this attack backfired because it killed and maimed train and bus loads of multi racial/religious people which can only unite us
in tossersapache said:
Personally I think the solution would be to tell the whole world that for every future attack on a western nation, the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism. Bomb London four times? We'll send four rockets into Syria and Iran. See how many times they take that before they end their funding.
These people only understand violence. When we catch them, kill them and bury their useless azzes with pigs. Let them know their actions will result in their bodies being desecrated.
Its time to stop playing with the political correctness of the situation and start breaking some balls.
don't you get it? that's exactly what they're trying to provoke, more violence from us, more 'soldiers' who've lost their family to an indiscriminate rocket attack, more martyrs to their cause, more support. We need to think about this and box clever.
personally I still think this attack backfired because it killed and maimed train and bus loads of multi racial/religious people which can only unite us
bang on apache.
weve been breaking many balls for the last 4 years. and look where its got us. More terrorists now than ever.
That doesnt mean we cant be tough.
I think anyone who associates with these extremists should be up for monitoring and investigation.
The extremists should be held or chucked out.
Strong links need to made with the muslim population, because the real fight must come from them. They need to infiltrate, grass, spy and destroy these radicals.
The fight needs to be covert, quiet but lethal too.
Just read on BBC news site about some despicable London hoteliers selling £80 rooms for £250!!! Making money out of other peoples predicament is despicable and nauseating. Hopefully we can name and shame such rip-off artists! I certainly would refuse to stay in such a hotel if I knew who these scum are!!!!!
Joecooool said:
Hey - our country didn't start this war. Those azzholes blew up our embassies in Africa, destroyed one of our ships in Yemen and flew three airplanes into our economic and defense centers before we went after them.
Whats your solution? Take their crap and turn the other cheek? Responding to terrorism in a way that shows weakness only encourages the terrorist to go after you again.
You have every right to be pissed off. But you should be pissed off at the asshats that attacked you - not the country thats always been there to help defend you.
Personally I think the solution would be to tell the whole world that for every future attack on a western nation, the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism. Bomb London four times? We'll send four rockets into Syria and Iran. See how many times they take that before they end their funding.
These people only understand violence. When we catch them, kill them and bury their useless azzes with pigs. Let them know their actions will result in their bodies being desecrated.
Its time to stop playing with the political correctness of the situation and start breaking some balls.
>> Edited by Joecooool on Friday 8th July 06:20
Terrorism cannot be defeated by violence - which is a lesson that the U.K. has paid dearly to learn over the past 100 years of IRA activity (yes I do mean 100 years - the first "Bloody Sunday" was the slaughter of 14 British intelligence officers in in an IRA ambushin 1920!!). Watchfulness and protection at home is the best policy, along with using overseas intelligence gathering.
Many of the groups who profess to belong follow Al-Qaeda have set their own agendas - It has litle to do with a common cause, and a lot to do with small-scale, localised greivances, as well as vague, over-riding and generic hatred of the West in general, western style Arab nations, and USA as a symbol of the apostate West (as they see it). Basically Al-qaeda is a rallying cry for any disaffected non-Western (it ISN'T Muslims, or Arabs - it's anyone jumping on a bandwagon) who holds hard-line religious views, but those views in practice have little to do with religion - the Qu'ran is being used as a justification for sectarian violence, in much the same way as the bible has been used in the past to persecute "witches", hugenots, non-fundamental Catholics etc. etc. Basically it is an attitude about 400 years out of date, but with modern weaponry to back up the hatred.
Learn about your enemy in order to defeat him (to paraphrase Sun-Tzu's The Art of War) but also know yourself. It is a good army that knows when to fight and seeks out his enemy's weaknesses before striking.
In this case, indiscriminate slaughter of innocent foreigners will acheive nothing. Now, does that statement relate to the London bombs, or to your assertion that we should kill Arabs/Muslims as revenge? You choose.
We have to be far more patient in our response - this is a long term problem, and gung-ho attitudes will not prevail. Have you learnt nothing from the debacle that was the American insertion into Vietnam? How do you fight an enemy you cannot see? The typical US response of carpet bombing and deforestation didn't work then and indiscriminate slaughter won't work now. You need to grow up in your response to this threat - comic book attitudes only work in fantasy land.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the terrorists do not play by your rules - they have no rules of war, do not obey the Geneva Convention, and have no truck with the niceties of human rights. So they cannot be fought on those terms. They have no compassion - Jeez, they are happy to blow themselves to pieces for their "cause" - could you do that?!!
The answer? I don't know. Be prepared for a very long haul. Get all the "civilised" nations on board with us. Make sure your homeland is as secure as it can be without disrupting the freedom of society and it's individuals. Always be on guard. Remove the grass roots that feed the cause - so give the disaffected a voice, make poor countries economically active, treat all sides fairly, and try not to show favour to one people over another in a way that will fuel hatred. It's all about hearts and minds, not bullets and bombs. They think we are weak because we seem to do nothing. Our strength is in our society and it's people. Look and listen to the attitude of Londoners, and the U.K. people as a whole. We will not be defeated; we know that so we get on with our lives, remember our dead, and grieve for them.
It is a "war" of attrition, bt we have a stable balanced society on our side. they do not. They have only fear and hatred, and that is very tiring in the long run. So, we will win.
>> Edited by nubbin on Friday 8th July 10:04
There is a great deal of sense being talked here (And not by the gung ho, eye for an eye crowd.)
The terrorists will have achieved nothing apart from unifying us, unless we wade in and create more martyrs for the cause.
There are a great many real and perceived injustices in the world that are feeding these evil SOBs and their cause(s). Dealing with those is the way to rid the world of these scum.
I am proud of the way the people of this country are (on the whole - profiteers
) dealing with this attack, and relieved that when it came the results weren't as horrendous as they could have been.
The terrorists will have achieved nothing apart from unifying us, unless we wade in and create more martyrs for the cause.
There are a great many real and perceived injustices in the world that are feeding these evil SOBs and their cause(s). Dealing with those is the way to rid the world of these scum.
I am proud of the way the people of this country are (on the whole - profiteers
) dealing with this attack, and relieved that when it came the results weren't as horrendous as they could have been.What the British learned in India,Malaya,Borneo,Yemen,Africa...the list goes on and on up to present day Iraq, is quite simply 'win hearts and minds',backed up with overwhelming political and Military muscle.
The Civilised world will prevail by intelegent measured response which will win over doubters in the countries involved and further alienate the terrorists until no-one will be associated with them.
Freedom never came free,and terrorists have been around for thousands of years.
'Freedom fighters' do not plant bombs to maime and kill,terrorists do this,and terrorists have ALWAYS been defeated by common sence backed up by political will and military muscle.
Oh, that said...
Sorry USA,but we find it hard to forgive your backing of the IRA against you greatest ally.
The Civilised world will prevail by intelegent measured response which will win over doubters in the countries involved and further alienate the terrorists until no-one will be associated with them.
Freedom never came free,and terrorists have been around for thousands of years.
'Freedom fighters' do not plant bombs to maime and kill,terrorists do this,and terrorists have ALWAYS been defeated by common sence backed up by political will and military muscle.
Oh, that said...
Sorry USA,but we find it hard to forgive your backing of the IRA against you greatest ally.
JagLover said:
terrorists have ALWAYS been defeated by common sence backed up by political will and military muscle.
Well said, I don't agree with the philosphy that force solves nothing.
Used wisely it can be a part of the solution.
It's not for nothing that one removes the cause of sepsis before it poisons the rest of the body!!!!
Whilst I have nothing but sympathy for the victims, am I the only one here who thinks that this is being blown out of all proportion?
Latest reports on the BBC suggest that the death toll will be over 50, but is 'unlikely to exceed 100'.
In terms of casualties, it's probably about the same as a bad day on the nation's roads and significantly less serious than a charter jet going down over a populated area.
Have you given up using your car?
Is it a coach trip to sunny Blackpool for you instead of Spain and Florida from now on?
No...I thought not.
London has faced much worse assaults than this and it is an insult to Londoners to think that they are going to let it have the slightest influence on their lives in the longer term.
Personally, I think that, as a nation (and ackowledging the terrible impact on the individuals and families that any violent death or injury has),we should be laughing it off...if that's the best you can do, Osama, old buddy, it's a pretty piss poor effort!
Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Bin Laden!
Latest reports on the BBC suggest that the death toll will be over 50, but is 'unlikely to exceed 100'.
In terms of casualties, it's probably about the same as a bad day on the nation's roads and significantly less serious than a charter jet going down over a populated area.
Have you given up using your car?
Is it a coach trip to sunny Blackpool for you instead of Spain and Florida from now on?
No...I thought not.
London has faced much worse assaults than this and it is an insult to Londoners to think that they are going to let it have the slightest influence on their lives in the longer term.
Personally, I think that, as a nation (and ackowledging the terrible impact on the individuals and families that any violent death or injury has),we should be laughing it off...if that's the best you can do, Osama, old buddy, it's a pretty piss poor effort!
Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Bin Laden!
PhillVR6 said:
the country thats always been there to help defend you.Joecooool said:
the US and UK would send a missile attack on those nations known to financially support terrorism.
You mean that now the USA have finally stopped funding the IRA?
Yeah, its strange how opinions can change when something actually happens to you isn't it?
We spent years being bombed and shot at by the IRA who were well funded by the good old US of A. In fact they even had collection boxes (like a charity might).
Now, since 9/11 its been bomb any country where terrorists come from and bomb the people who fund them.
I think I've made my point.
Actually IRA support is still in the USA. I have been into several drinking establishments where staff members have been wearing T shirts clearly showing support for the IRA. That's probably more through ignorance than anything but nevertheless it results in funds going to terrorists.
The same situation goes on for other nations around the world, people donating money to help rid people of the government that opresses them. When 'we' give money that is OK, when 'they' do we should bomb them? That attitude is going to fuel a war, and to my mind nobody right now poses a sufficient enough threat to justify that.
Fortunately the internet and media expansion have done something to show the true horror of terrorism against innocent civillians.
The US media yesterday were very sympathetic to those affected by the bombings in London and often made mention of how well controlled the situation was largely due to the work of Police, Fire Services, Ambulance Personnel and Doctors. Many were impressed by how calm and collected the survivors were when telling the news media about what had happened.
I'm just wondering what will happen next. I don't think an unplanned retaliatory move is smart. It would be better to watch the situation carefully and eliminate terrorists one at a time with no fuss or drama.
If there is to be a display of any kind, it really ought to be one of profound friendliness to Iran, the Yemen and other nations previously declared 'evil' by trading with them. Helping them will result in their being more motivated to eliminate unfriendly factions, and as a result Britain won't be seen to be an agressor yet will benefit.
Or am I just living in fantasyland?
Would suggest continuity of policy on the world scene will win over most hearts and minds. Countries that state their principles clearly and demonstrate them throughout the world evenly and fairhandedly without throwing their might behind one country one day and changing sides when it suits them because they can sell more arms or get more trade.
A lot of European powers could take note, not only the USA.
Develop friendships and commerce with likeminded powers,the large and tiny developing countries and regimes who support your aims.Educate hearts and minds to our way of thinking and acting.
Any parent knows that incentive works best but against a backdrop of what is and what is not acceptable behavour.The parents hold the pursestrings and hold overwhelming power but don't rely on it every time they want co-operation from the children.
Carrot..big stick.
If you want people to respect you and want to ally with you as a world power then continuity of policy and action is the first principal I would have thought.
We all expect a policeman to be even handed and fair with everyone who keeps within the bounds of acceptable social behaviour.The same rule applies to international policemen surely.
A lot of European powers could take note, not only the USA.
Develop friendships and commerce with likeminded powers,the large and tiny developing countries and regimes who support your aims.Educate hearts and minds to our way of thinking and acting.
Any parent knows that incentive works best but against a backdrop of what is and what is not acceptable behavour.The parents hold the pursestrings and hold overwhelming power but don't rely on it every time they want co-operation from the children.
Carrot..big stick.
If you want people to respect you and want to ally with you as a world power then continuity of policy and action is the first principal I would have thought.
We all expect a policeman to be even handed and fair with everyone who keeps within the bounds of acceptable social behaviour.The same rule applies to international policemen surely.
vodkakid said:
Hey glad to see all the hotels in london put up there prices . . in tossers
Shocking. If anyone is stuck and needs FREE London accomodation next week, I live in zone 1 and my sofa is available. I'm going away for the weekend but back there on Sunday if it's of any help.
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