Moon Landings were Hoaxed
Discussion
There are many reasons why the secrets of Bletchley Park came out so long after the war and why NASA has virtually NO secrets.
Bletchley Park was top secret. Everyone working there would have signed the Official Secrets Act and would have been open to prosecution and imprisonment (possibly even execution during the war itself) if the nature of the work there had been revealed.
It was British, and the British are extremely GOOD at keeping secrets.
NASA is an open civilian body. It is specifically structured so as NOT to be secret. Just go to NASA's websites to see the sheer volume of data available on all the work they do and have done in the past. The only secret areas of NASA's work is work carried out in conjunction with the US Department of Defense. Apollo had nothing to do with the Department of Defense (although there were many personnel at NASA who had been seconded from the Air Force, Navy and Army).
In fact, I would hold NASA to be an excellent example of how open government should work.
NASA is American, and the Americans are extremely BAD at keeping secrets.
Bletchley Park was top secret. Everyone working there would have signed the Official Secrets Act and would have been open to prosecution and imprisonment (possibly even execution during the war itself) if the nature of the work there had been revealed.
It was British, and the British are extremely GOOD at keeping secrets.
NASA is an open civilian body. It is specifically structured so as NOT to be secret. Just go to NASA's websites to see the sheer volume of data available on all the work they do and have done in the past. The only secret areas of NASA's work is work carried out in conjunction with the US Department of Defense. Apollo had nothing to do with the Department of Defense (although there were many personnel at NASA who had been seconded from the Air Force, Navy and Army).
In fact, I would hold NASA to be an excellent example of how open government should work.
NASA is American, and the Americans are extremely BAD at keeping secrets.
Not at the moment, but Channel 4 made a really definitive one called "Station X", you should be able to get it on ebay or through Amazon. There was also a book that accompanied it by the same name. Bletchley Park themsleves also sell it.
(And the missus was in it dressed up as a 1940's girlie....)
(And the missus was in it dressed up as a 1940's girlie....)
The Secret State is indeed fascinating. I remember when Enigma was revealed - a lot of other secret weapons were revealed at about the same time. And subsequently we've had many nuclear bunkers and other secret facilities revealed.
Which always begs the question what is around now that we don't know about?
Which always begs the question what is around now that we don't know about?
Enigma wasn't invented by the Germans - it was actually a commercial encryption system invented by the Czechs IIRC in the 1920's.
The Germans bought some, then made their own versions.
The Polish had already managed to crack it on some occasions....and they brought some early expertise to Bletchley.
The Germans bought some, then made their own versions.
The Polish had already managed to crack it on some occasions....and they brought some early expertise to Bletchley.
Look, when the visitors abducted me they took me to their base at area 51 which they share with the CIA and the board of Ikea and while there David Icke showed me some very convincing drawings which PROVED the landings were faked.
They were coloured in in crayon and everything.
Now that's out of the way, could any of you lend me a couple of grand? (I don't want to go into too much detail here as THEY monitor everything, but there's this Prince in Nigeria who has given me a unique chance to make some serious money) Thing is, I've only just bought the Brooklyn bridge off that nice Lord Lucan, so I'm a bit skint, but it could be my big chance to get enough cash together to build the website I want to prove that Atomic Kitten killed Diana to deflect attention from their involvement in the Bay of Pigs...
They were coloured in in crayon and everything.
Now that's out of the way, could any of you lend me a couple of grand? (I don't want to go into too much detail here as THEY monitor everything, but there's this Prince in Nigeria who has given me a unique chance to make some serious money) Thing is, I've only just bought the Brooklyn bridge off that nice Lord Lucan, so I'm a bit skint, but it could be my big chance to get enough cash together to build the website I want to prove that Atomic Kitten killed Diana to deflect attention from their involvement in the Bay of Pigs...
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Perhaps 3 years was overstating it, however, even with such a short outward journey you're looking at a total trip in years rather than months, given the orbits required for such a trip. You would probably have to spend several months there before a return window opened.
A mission of that length requires a hell of a lot of supplies and fuel, even if the astronauts grow their food. Getting all that into space and dealing with the practicalities of prolonged space-travel means, IMHO, we are a few years away from a manned Mars mission.
Neil_H said:
Perhaps 3 years was overstating it, however, even with such a short outward journey you're looking at a total trip in years rather than months, given the orbits required for such a trip. You would probably have to spend several months there before a return window opened.
A mission of that length requires a hell of a lot of supplies and fuel, even if the astronauts grow their food. Getting all that into space and dealing with the practicalities of prolonged space-travel means, IMHO, we are a few years away from a manned Mars mission.
You are right - we are some years off. But none of the challenges are insurmountable. All that is really needed is the will to go.
The actual mission would start some years before any humans departed for Mars. Advance robots, habitation modules and "factory" landers would go on ahead. The latter would begin the production of fuel from the Martian atmosphere for the return journey in advance of the manned landing.
Therefore when humans arrive, all would already be in place and a return ship would already be fuelled. Clever eh? The concept is called "living off the land" by Nasa.
Read the two Mars novels by Ben Bova. They are very much old fashioned "nuts and bolts" science fiction and give a very accurate description as to how the first manned Mars missions will probably be carried out.
I don'ty expect to see a manned Mars mission for the next thirty to forty years but I would hope to see a return to the moon in about 20 years.
I don'ty expect to see a manned Mars mission for the next thirty to forty years but I would hope to see a return to the moon in about 20 years.
**Update**
In 1969, Neil Armstrong made history by becoming the first man to walk on the moon, uttering the immortal phrase, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."
Or did he? Previously suppressed footage discovered by blogjam shows that Armstrong's reaction was a great deal more uninhibited than history suggests, and that a hasty editing job was needed to prepare the astronaut's moment of glory for broadcast.
So here, for the first time, is the unedited NASA film from the triumphant Apollo 11 mission.
Left Clicky
BTW..
1. NSFW
2. NSF E.Mc
In 1969, Neil Armstrong made history by becoming the first man to walk on the moon, uttering the immortal phrase, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."
Or did he? Previously suppressed footage discovered by blogjam shows that Armstrong's reaction was a great deal more uninhibited than history suggests, and that a hasty editing job was needed to prepare the astronaut's moment of glory for broadcast.
So here, for the first time, is the unedited NASA film from the triumphant Apollo 11 mission.
Left Clicky
BTW..
1. NSFW
2. NSF E.Mc
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