this will bore you to death!

this will bore you to death!

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gtr-gaz

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5,097 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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"Zeno's Paradox"

Suppose you're travelling from point A to point B.
To reach point B, you must first travel half the distance.
Once you've arrived at the mid-point, you must then travel half the remaining distance.
But once you've arrived at the mid-point of the remaining distance, you still have to travel half the remaining distance.
In fact this series goes on "ad infinitum" Since it takes some time, no matter how small, to travel half of any given distance and since the remaining distance can always be divided in half, it will therefore take you an infinite amount of time to travel from a to B.
In short it is impossible to ever reach B, no matter what you drive!


Now, if that has'nt bored the pants off you, then, YOU NEED HELP!!



I really must get out more.

jimothy

5,151 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Same with shooting a tortoise with an arrow...

Why not ask the worlds greatest mathmetician...

10 points to the person who spots the literary link and provides the name of the worlds greatest mathematician...

Mr E

21,771 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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jimothy said:
Same with shooting a tortoise with an arrow...

Why not ask the worlds greatest mathmetician...

10 points to the person who spots the literary link and provides the name of the worlds greatest mathematician...


Pratchett.

You Bastard.

Mr E

21,771 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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gtr-gaz said:
Since it takes some time, no matter how small, to travel half of any given distance and since the remaining distance can always be divided in half



Prove it.

jimothy

5,151 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Sorry its not true.

Probably because of quantum.

WildfireS3

9,795 posts

254 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Mr E said:

jimothy said:
Same with shooting a tortoise with an arrow...

Why not ask the worlds greatest mathmetician...

10 points to the person who spots the literary link and provides the name of the worlds greatest mathematician...



Pratchett.

You Bastard.


Ditto

Mr E

21,771 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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jimothy said:
Sorry its not true.

Probably because of quantum.


Which just means I'm going to bill you 4 times as mutch.

stackmonkey

5,077 posts

251 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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jimothy said:
Sorry its not true.

Probably because of quantum.


The paradox is only valid if your speed drops by half each time you've covered half the distance. This means that as you travel infinitely closer to point B, your speed becomes closer to zero and it takes you an infinite amount of time to arrive.
This is known as 'Driving in London'.

In the real world your mean speed is maintained and yu arrive somewhat sooner.

jimothy

5,151 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Mr E said:

Which just means I'm going to bill you 4 times as mutch.


No worries, I'll just pay you with the same coin at 20 minute intervals.

nutcase

1,145 posts

254 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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jimothy said:
Same with shooting a tortoise with an arrow...

Why not ask the worlds greatest mathmetician...

10 points to the person who spots the literary link and provides the name of the worlds greatest mathematician...


Gordon Brown?

what a cnut

james p

2,961 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Greatest mathmatician was You B*stard [a camel], courtesy of Mr Tom Holt. IMO usually a genius

einion yrth

19,575 posts

246 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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james p said:
Greatest mathmatician was You B*stard [a camel], courtesy of Mr Tom Holt. IMO usually a genius

Except it was Terry Pratchett as posted above. (in Pyramids, which also includes a rather excellent spoof on the Driving test)

james p

2,961 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Oops got a bit enthusiastic there!

diddyman

3,646 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Ook

pesty

42,655 posts

258 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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talking about paradox's can somebody explain in simple language Schrodinger's Cat?

If I understand it right he says that the cat is alive and dead at the same time. I dont get it either the poison has killed the cat or it hasnt just because you cant see the cat how does this change that?

Mr E

21,771 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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pesty said:
talking about paradox's can somebody explain in simple language Schrodinger's Cat?

If I understand it right he says that the cat is alive and dead at the same time. I dont get it either the poison has killed the cat or it hasnt just because you cant see the cat how does this change that?


Because that's exactly the way quantum works. The particle is a probability between alive and dead at the same time, and you as an observer fix it into one of those states.

Absurd? Yes.

Doesn't make it incorrect.

Quantum is very very odd indeed, and Schrodinger spent quite a lot of time trying to prove he was wrong.

He wasn't.

If QM doesn't make your head spin, you haven't understood it.

pdV6

16,442 posts

263 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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pesty said:
talking about paradox's can somebody explain in simple language Schrodinger's Cat?

If I understand it right he says that the cat is alive and dead at the same time. I dont get it either the poison has killed the cat or it hasnt just because you cant see the cat how does this change that?


The idea is, I believe, that until you see the state of the cat by opening the box, it might as well be alive or dead. Therefore by never opening the box, it is both alive and dead.

Or was that something else...?

lunarscope

2,895 posts

244 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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pesty said:
talking about paradox's can somebody explain in simple language Schrodinger's Cat?

If I understand it right he says that the cat is alive and dead at the same time. I dont get it either the poison has killed the cat or it hasnt just because you cant see the cat how does this change that?


Dead or alive - how do you know which is true ?

Therefore, until you look, it is impossible to know whether the cat is dead or alive. Therefore it's both "dead and alive" (or not dead and not alive).
Don't think too much about quantum theory - it'll mess up your mind.
Everything is Probability, probably.

Racylady

931 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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pesty said:
talking about paradox's can somebody explain in simple language Schrodinger's Cat?

If I understand it right he says that the cat is alive and dead at the same time. I dont get it either the poison has killed the cat or it hasnt just because you cant see the cat how does this change that?


-because you don't know whether the container with the poison in has smashed to kill the cat (something to do with an atom decaying). What I don't get is how can something be alive AND dead rather than alive OR dead?

pesty

42,655 posts

258 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Is there a purpose to this theory? I mean is it useful or is it just a load of blokes thinking up stuff that means nothing and cant be proved?