Rover leads, UK follows
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Looking ahead gloomily to another 5 years of socialism, higher taxes, more 'passengers' and less competitiveness, I just realised something:
Rover was just a taster for what will happen to the whole UK. In five years time, bar revolution or civil war, I'll wager that China and assorted others will be picking the bones clean.
Rover was just a taster for what will happen to the whole UK. In five years time, bar revolution or civil war, I'll wager that China and assorted others will be picking the bones clean.
simpo two said:
Looking ahead gloomily to another 5 years of socialism, higher taxes, more 'passengers' and less competitiveness, I just realised something:
Rover was just a taster for what will happen to the whole UK. In five years time, bar revolution or civil war, I'll wager that China and assorted others will be picking the bones clean.
Oh, positive outlook on life today then? Its not a bad place you know. I mean, you still work I presume? And you enjoy a few pleasures in live yes? So you dont agree with the possible party in power (it aint over until the fat lady sings as they say), that doesnt necessarily make everything bad does it?
simpo two said:Emigrate to China, then you'll be on the winner side
Looking ahead gloomily to another 5 years of socialism, higher taxes, more 'passengers' and less competitiveness, I just realised something:
Rover was just a taster for what will happen to the whole UK. In five years time, bar revolution or civil war, I'll wager that China and assorted others will be picking the bones clean.
Bodo said:
Emigrate to China, then you'll be on the winner side
NZ looks nicer. Only trouble is, they have a points-based immigration policy. They're not daft are they?
Did I mention the pensions crisis? Who's going to pay for that lot, seeing as the nest-eggs we lovingly planned in the Thatcher years have been taxed to buggery.
simpo two said:
Looking ahead gloomily to another 5 years of socialism, higher taxes, more 'passengers' and less competitiveness, I just realised something:
Rover was just a taster for what will happen to the whole UK. In five years time, bar revolution or civil war, I'll wager that China and assorted others will be picking the bones clean.
Rubbish. On the face of it Rover was badly run with unpopular (or not popular enough) products. I too think China will be a force to be reckoned with, but that's market forces - what do you want to do - nationalise eveything?
Ahhhhh, but in the original manifesto for a United Europe (been through my library but can't find the very book) Britain was going to be the tourism centre of Europe, whilst France got the farming, Spain-fishing, Germany-industry, etc. It sounds absolutely barmy but I reckon that Brussels might be thinking along the same lines. It was very measured like the ABC of Communism and more 'orrible than 1984 but very organic, creative, liberal, inclusive and lots of other flaky words that the brown shoes brigade like. One of these bloody idealistic, from the ivory towers crap books. Thus appealing to liberals. Ugggg, don't get me started.
Edit:- and my point was that tourism is our future, so you too can have a minimum wage job for 3 months of the year! Whoohaaa! Seriously, if tourism is the long term plan for the UK (the new industry, so to speak) the reality will be different to the crap that the authorities speak of (just as it is now)
>> Edited by love machine on Wednesday 4th May 15:39
Edit:- and my point was that tourism is our future, so you too can have a minimum wage job for 3 months of the year! Whoohaaa! Seriously, if tourism is the long term plan for the UK (the new industry, so to speak) the reality will be different to the crap that the authorities speak of (just as it is now)
>> Edited by love machine on Wednesday 4th May 15:39
limpsfield said:
Rubbish. On the face of it Rover was badly run with unpopular (or not popular enough) products. I too think China will be a force to be reckoned with, but that's market forces - what do you want to do - nationalise eveything?
'On the face of it the UK was badly run with unpopular (or not popular enough) products.'
I certainly don't believe in nationalisation - I'm a capitalist at heart who believes in a free market economy. However there are some places where profit is not a good motive, eg essential services.
I don't know where this '4th strongest economy' lark comes from. Most new jobs are public sector, so that's not wealth, just a recycled money-go-round which loses 40% on each cycle. It also means that each new employee is likely to vote Labour or they'll lose their job. We live on credit and housing equity so we feel rich, but there's no depth to it. Gordon Brown is stealing money from every nook and cranny he can find and his mouth is writing cheques his wallet (your wallet) can't cash. Noticed how 'spending' is suddenly called 'investment'? Very clever piece of packaging - and the voters lap it up. On a UK-wide basis, our overheads are soaring, our income is drying up. What will happen when the two lines cross? I don't know, but it might be one mother of a recession.
simpo two said:
I certainly don't believe in nationalisation - I'm a capitalist at heart who believes in a free market economy. However there are some places where profit is not a good motive, eg essential services.
We live on credit and housing equity so we feel rich, but there's no depth to it....On a UK-wide basis, our overheads are soaring, our income is drying up. What will happen when the two lines cross? I don't know, but it might be one mother of a recession.
I agree with you on all of the above. We are well overdue a recession and this "you've never had it so good" arse always ends in tears. But I think governments should stay out of the way of it all - no politican, regardless of party, can fight market forces and I think when we do see a bust, it is not going to be pretty and reflect awfully for whichever party is in power.
>> Edited by limpsfield on Wednesday 4th May 15:50
love machine said:
Ahhhhh, but in the original manifesto for a United Europe (been through my library but can't find the very book) Britain was going to be the tourism centre of Europe, whilst France got the farming, Spain-fishing, Germany-industry, etc.
Interesting idea, making the country with the worst weather in the EU a tourist centre!
If you look in the 'EU Book of Big Plans' opposite UK, unofficially written in pencil, I think you'll find 'schmucks', 'dustbin' or 'payback for the Empire'. They'll happily screw us - just like the Chinese did to Rover. There's no allegiance.
robdickinson said:
hm we have one of the strongest ecconomies in europe and been having a great time whilst theirs has been in the sewers. IMo even though I hate the anti-people new labour least their ecconomic policies have been prety faultless.
Mostly on the back of consumer (over) spending - which is now coming to an end judging by recent retail/manufacturing figures. We are rapidly approaching a "hangover" period with house price corrections etc eating further into the consumers rapidly dwindling economic confidence.
The BOE will be having to balance interest rates on economic downturn and inflation.
>> Edited by iandbeech on Wednesday 4th May 15:56
simpo two said:
NZ looks nicer. Only trouble is, they have a points-based immigration policy. They're not daft are they?
Definitely agree with you there. And furthermore, I have enough points! The only trouble is, I haven't got the confidence to uproot and go for it. So it looks like I'm stuck here
cosmoschick said:
NZ looks nicer. Only trouble is, they have a points-based immigration policy. They're not daft are they?
Definitely agree with you there. And furthermore, I have enough points! The only trouble is, I haven't got the confidence to uproot and go for it. So it looks like I'm stuck here
Our friends did just that last year - in their mid 40s with two teenage kids, and are having a great time
cosmoschick said:
Definitely agree with you there. And furthermore, I have enough points! The only trouble is, I haven't got the confidence to uproot and go for it. So it looks like I'm stuck here
Know what you mean CC. But I've been reckless enough to buy a ticket to spend a month there over Christmas
NB How did you wangle enough points? (various ideas come to mind which I shall not post!)
simpo two said:
Definitely agree with you there. And furthermore, I have enough points! The only trouble is, I haven't got the confidence to uproot and go for it. So it looks like I'm stuck here
Know what you mean CC. But I've been reckless enough to buy a ticket to spend a month there over Christmas
NB How did you wangle enough points? (various ideas come to mind which I shall not post!)
Couldn`t you apply for political asylum when you get there?
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