"Deferred Success" WTF?
Discussion
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,1531762,00.html
Failure shouldn't be an option in class, say teachers
Press Association
Tuesday July 19, 2005
The word "fail" should be deleted from the school vocabulary and replaced with the term "deferred success", according to a group of teachers.
Being told they are a failure in class can put children off education for the rest of their lives, they said.
The idea will be put forward by members of the Professional Association of Teachers at the union's annual conference in Buxton, Derbyshire, next week.
Retired primary school teacher Liz Beattie said some children who struggle with academic subjects need help to find success in other areas, such as work-related courses.
Mrs Beattie and her colleague, Wesley Paxton, will propose abolishing the word "fail" in a motion at the conference, which, if passed, would mean it becomes union policy.
The motion said: "Conference believes it is time to delete the word 'fail' from the educational vocabulary to be replaced with the concept of 'deferred success'."
Speaking from her home in Suffolk, Mrs Beattie, 68, said: "If children at an early age decide, 'I can't do school, I can't learn to read or do this maths stuff,' they are losing an enormous part of their lives.
"Some children who have a problem are being turned off the whole education process almost before they have embarked on it simply because failure is a thing they see quite a lot of."
She added: "We have got to learn to cope with failure throughout life.
"We need to get children coping with the fact that they are not going to get it right first time."
Mrs Beattie said she was not necessarily convinced that the exact wording of the motion was right.
But she added: "We need to stop using failure as a dirty word."
jazzybee said:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,1531762,00.html
Failure shouldn't be an option in class, say teachers
Press Association
Tuesday July 19, 2005
The word "fail" should be deleted from the school vocabulary and replaced with the term "deferred success", according to a group of teachers.
Being told they are a failure in class can put children off education for the rest of their lives, they said.
The idea will be put forward by members of the Professional Association of Teachers at the union's annual conference in Buxton, Derbyshire, next week.
Retired primary school teacher Liz Beattie said some children who struggle with academic subjects need help to find success in other areas, such as work-related courses.
Mrs Beattie and her colleague, Wesley Paxton, will propose abolishing the word "fail" in a motion at the conference, which, if passed, would mean it becomes union policy.
The motion said: "Conference believes it is time to delete the word 'fail' from the educational vocabulary to be replaced with the concept of 'deferred success'."
Speaking from her home in Suffolk, Mrs Beattie, 68, said: "If children at an early age decide, 'I can't do school, I can't learn to read or do this maths stuff,' they are losing an enormous part of their lives.
"Some children who have a problem are being turned off the whole education process almost before they have embarked on it simply because failure is a thing they see quite a lot of."
She added: "We have got to learn to cope with failure throughout life.
"We need to get children coping with the fact that they are not going to get it right first time."
Mrs Beattie said she was not necessarily convinced that the exact wording of the motion was right.
But she added: "We need to stop using failure as a dirty word."
Some left-wing twits from here are trying to push things like that. They don't want to use red pens to correct papers because it is "harsh". They prefer purple, blue, or other "happy" colors. Until reality changes colors, we need to make sure the way we teach our children doesn't either.
pdV6 said:
Weak thinking lilly-livered PC scum.
Well Said
The education system has been under sustained assault for a long time from these PC morons.
They have destroyed the grammar schools, made exams far easier and are trying to remove any element of academic rigor from the state education system.
That is why it is so important to have your children privately educated if you can afford to do so.
jazzybee said:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,1531762,00.html
Failure shouldn't be an option in class, say teachers
Press Association
Tuesday July 19, 2005
The word "fail" should be deleted from the school vocabulary and replaced with the term "deferred success", according to a group of teachers.
I would like to see how this goes down at interview for a job.
Prospective emplyer "What ist two plus two?"
Chav candidate "er... I have deferred success in this ....und I need to use my fingers still! Und I had deferred success in my length at swimming baths too"
Methinks our teachers have deferred success in teaching these children anything.
total failure of teacher said:
She added: "We have got to learn to cope with failure throughout life.
Und deceiving children ist going to help them?
total failure of teacher said:
"We need to get children coping with the fact that they are not going to get it right first time."
Did her Mama not tell her that if at first she does not succeed she must try und try again!"
Or ist "perseverence" - also a banned word?
total failure of teacher said:
But she added: "We need to stop using failure as a dirty word."
Und "competition" und "sport" und "win" und "lose" und all board games should be banned as someone has to win at "tiddleywinks" und "snakes und ladders"
yertis said:
That is why it is so important to have your children privately educated if you can afford to do so.
Private education = deferred Lamborghini
I know which is the wisest investment though.
Your right! Which is why my Son is well read, and engaging, whilst my current car is Dull and boring. But, like you said - its a wise investment.
Why can't these people realise that fear of failure is one of the main drivers of success. With discipline at an all time low, and now, lack of fear of failure, what exactly do these people expect society to be like when it is time for them to be drawing a pension. They will be terrified into never leaving their homes with grilled up windows.
Why don't we all let them know what we think of this cretinous idea!
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Some years ago I read a novel which covered this precise issue of 'dumbing down' to the lowest common denominator.
It was set in the near future when anyone with a skill/talent was 'nobbled' by the state in order to prevent others feeling inferior.
Examples:
Talented dancer had to wear heavy leg braces.
Intelligent child had brain implant which would ring a loud bell almost constantly to prevent concentration of thought.
Has anyone read this book and/or can remember the title ?
It was set in the near future when anyone with a skill/talent was 'nobbled' by the state in order to prevent others feeling inferior.
Examples:
Talented dancer had to wear heavy leg braces.
Intelligent child had brain implant which would ring a loud bell almost constantly to prevent concentration of thought.
Has anyone read this book and/or can remember the title ?
People like this Paxton and Beattie are, quite frankly, enemies of the state, a creeping cancer gnawing at the fabric of society with their deception. They are scum. This Beattie is 68 FFS - what the feck does she know about what the country needs nowadays? Stand aside you senile old fool, your philosophy has been condemned by history.
lunarscope said:
Some years ago I read a novel which covered this precise issue of 'dumbing down' to the lowest common denominator.
It was set in the near future when anyone with a skill/talent was 'nobbled' by the state in order to prevent others feeling inferior.
Examples:
Talented dancer had to wear heavy leg braces.
Intelligent child had brain implant which would ring a loud bell almost constantly to prevent concentration of thought.
Has anyone read this book and/or can remember the title ?
2005 Labour Party Manifesto?
lunarscope said:
Some years ago I read a novel which covered this precise issue of 'dumbing down' to the lowest common denominator.
It was set in the near future when anyone with a skill/talent was 'nobbled' by the state in order to prevent others feeling inferior.
Examples:
Talented dancer had to wear heavy leg braces.
Intelligent child had brain implant which would ring a loud bell almost constantly to prevent concentration of thought.
Has anyone read this book and/or can remember the title ?
There's a good new one called Incompetence by Rob Grant - one of the Red Dwarf writing partnership. Its set in a future Europe where it's become illegal to discriminate against everything when employing people, including incompetence... Humour or an insight into the future I wonder?
yertis said:
People like this Paxton and Beattie are, quite frankly, enemies of the state, a creeping cancer gnawing at the fabric of society with their deception. They are scum. This Beattie is 68 FFS - what the feck does she know about what the country needs nowadays? Stand aside you senile old fool, your philosophy has been condemned by history.
Her philosphy rules the country (in the shape of New Labour).
Prince Charles said it straight. Some people are not capable of becoming x or doing a certain job. They do not cut the mustard, are not up to the grade, have failed the selection/test.
The sad thing is that there are really some people who are complete and utter failures in life and will f.up most things they touch. You know the ones at school.
The teacher who suggested this (why hasnt she retired?) is in a fantasy world where nobody fails. What a Great background for the real world when little Johhny is told in no uncertain terms that his best is not good enough and please go away.
Better to fail at a young age and work on imporving yourself or recognise that you are not talented in that direction and move on.
Competion, failure, unfairness is part of life. The sooner young-uns learn this the better. Equally their is good luck, hard work and sucess to be won.
The sad thing is that there are really some people who are complete and utter failures in life and will f.up most things they touch. You know the ones at school.
The teacher who suggested this (why hasnt she retired?) is in a fantasy world where nobody fails. What a Great background for the real world when little Johhny is told in no uncertain terms that his best is not good enough and please go away.
Better to fail at a young age and work on imporving yourself or recognise that you are not talented in that direction and move on.
Competion, failure, unfairness is part of life. The sooner young-uns learn this the better. Equally their is good luck, hard work and sucess to be won.
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