Another sad window on Islam

Another sad window on Islam

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Puggit

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48,540 posts

250 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.st...

bbc said:
'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

A British school teacher has been arrested in Sudan accused of insulting Islam's Prophet, after she allowed her pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.

Colleagues of Gillian Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, said she made an "innocent mistake" by letting the six and seven-year-olds choose the name.

Ms Gibbons was arrested after several parents made complaints.

A spokesman from the British Embassy in Sudan's capital, Khartoum, said it was unclear whether she had been charged.

Embassy officials are expected to visit Mrs Gibbons in custody on Monday.

The BBC's correspondent Amber Henshaw said Ms Gibbons' punishment could be up to six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine.

The school has been closed until January for fear of reprisals.

'Very sensitive'

Fellow teachers at Khartoum's Unity High School told Reuters news agency they feared for Ms Gibbons' safety after receiving reports that men had started gathering outside the police station where she was being held.

The school's director, Robert Boulos, said: "This is a very sensitive issue. We are very worried about her safety.

"This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam."

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was following a British national curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and this year's topic was the bear.

So Ms Gibbons, who joined the school in August, asked a seven-year-old girl to bring in her teddy bear and asked the class to pick names for it, he said.

"They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad," Mr Boulos said.

"Then she explained what it meant to vote and asked them to choose the name."

Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad as their favourite name.

Mr Boulos said each child was then allowed to take the bear home at weekends and told to write a diary about what they did with it.

He said the children's entries were collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover and a message which read, "My name is Muhammad."

The bear itself was not marked or labelled with the name in any way, he added.

It is seen as an insult to Islam to attempt to make an image of the Prophet Muhammad.

Book seized

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was arrested on Sunday at her home inside the school premises after a number of parents complained to Sudan's Ministry of Education.

He said police had seized the book and asked to interview the girl who owned the bear.

The country's state-controlled Sudanese Media Centre reported that charges were being prepared "under article 125 of the criminal law" which covers insults against faith and religion.

No-one at the ministries of education or justice was available for comment.

One Muslim teacher at the school, who also has a child in Ms Gibbons' class, said she had not found the project offensive.

"I had no problem with it at all," the teacher said.

"I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote."

Unity is an independent school for Christian and Muslim children and is governed by a board representing major Christian denominations in Sudan.

Cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad printed in several European newspapers sparked violent protests around the world in 2006.

Conian

8,030 posts

203 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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See, they pick on a woman teacher... but they too scared to have a word with Cassius Clay.

MK4 Slowride

10,028 posts

210 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Talk about being touchy.

bob1179

14,107 posts

211 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Seems a little OTT to me.

Raify

6,552 posts

250 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Dave_

530 posts

206 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Th kids picked the name ffs.

Oxygen thiefs!

Chester Drawers

402 posts

200 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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I just ready the story on the Beeb and switched to PH to see what folks here make of this latest piss boiler story.
Words fail me, the depths of ignorance some are prepared to plumit are beyond understanding - are they still experiencing the middle ages? Obviously they are, pathetic isn't it

Edited by Chester Drawers on Monday 26th November 13:07

Broken Hero

1,195 posts

199 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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I think this says more about Sudan than Islam as a whole IMO

mackie1

8,153 posts

235 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Aren't lots of people called Mohammad too? Is that an insult to Islam?


Pickled Piper

6,348 posts

237 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Surely, they should be whipping the six and seven year old kids. No?

pp

pc.iow

1,879 posts

205 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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mackie1 said:
Aren't lots of people called Mohammad too? Is that an insult to Islam?
Ahh, but they dont dress in gay looking tartan trousers.

Silverbullet767

10,737 posts

208 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Ahh, muhammad jihad, tugga tugga tugga click click waaaa!

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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I'll stop being racist when they stop

308mate

13,757 posts

224 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Chester Drawers said:
I just ready the story on the Beeb and switched to PH to see what folks here make of this latest piss boiler story.
Words fail me, the depths of ignorance some are prepared to plumit are beyond understanding - are they still experiencing the middle ages? Obviously they are, pathetic isn't it

Edited by Chester Drawers on Monday 26th November 13:07
So youre saying your way is right and their beliefs are wrong and they are stupid?

In some countries that could be considered a terrorist view.

Oh but we're talking about Islam....

LeTim

12,915 posts

200 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Broken Hero said:
I think this says more about Sudan than Islam as a whole IMO
I'm inclined to agree.

Still it's a good "mad islam story" and should keep the Daily Mail in headlines all week wink

thegman

1,928 posts

206 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Dirklirka bakalaka dakalaka. Muhammed Jihad.

Chester Drawers

402 posts

200 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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308mate said:
Chester Drawers said:
I just ready the story on the Beeb and switched to PH to see what folks here make of this latest piss boiler story.
Words fail me, the depths of ignorance some are prepared to plumit are beyond understanding - are they still experiencing the middle ages? Obviously they are, pathetic isn't it

Edited by Chester Drawers on Monday 26th November 13:07
So youre saying your way is right and their beliefs are wrong and they are stupid?

In some countries that could be considered a terrorist view.

Oh but we're talking about Islam....
No, I'm not at all trying to justify "my way", I'm commenting on the idiocy of getting upset over the name of a teddy bear - I understand the implications under Islam but if the children named the child why are the parents outraged at the teacher? Surely they could have resolved this by explaining the the "infidel" teacher that this might be an insult according to Islamic beliefs and that perhaps the teddy could have been re-named?
On the other hand, would people in the UK or France or Botswana or wherever get all that upset and start besieging a police station is a teacher named a teddy bear John (after John the Baptist) or Matthew (as in Gospel according to) or even Jesus?

Nic Jones

7,072 posts

222 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Hmm why didn't the Christians do the same when Monty Python started ripping it out of Christianity in general?

That was far worse surely than any cartoon or teddy bear.... wasn't it?

And they wonder why people struggle to tolerate the religion. frown

thegman said:
Dirklirka bakalaka dakalaka. Muhammed Jihad.
YEAH!!

Chester Drawers

402 posts

200 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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Nic Jones said:
Hmm why didn't the Christians do the same when Monty Python started ripping it out of Christianity in general?

That was far worse surely than any cartoon or teddy bear.... wasn't it?

And they wonder why people struggle to tolerate the religion. frown

thegman said:
Dirklirka bakalaka dakalaka. Muhammed Jihad.
YEAH!!
Sadly, the CoE did get all upset about the film - didn't it get banned in the UK for a while?

Swoxy

2,803 posts

212 months

Monday 26th November 2007
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W*nkers.
Going out with a Muslim girl at the moment and finding it difficult to find the balance between respecting her religion and flipping out.