Discussion
simpo555 said:
Never under estimate the importance of aesthetics. While the performance of the car remains perhaps the primary concern, how it looks is very high on the list. You can critisise all you like the endless stream of special paint jobs etc etc but nevertheless when you see the finished article and your mouth drops because of the looks of the car, your very close to selling.
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Cars dont cut the ice if they look good but dont perform. Cars that perform but dont look good dont do so well either.
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Cars dont cut the ice if they look good but dont perform. Cars that perform but dont look good dont do so well either.
Scuffers said:
it's what? 12 months since the V6 Exige has been talked about yet no customer has got one yet, and very little hard performance figures exist.
what we do have is the hairdresser brigade going on about this or that paint job/wheels/etc.
As no customers have one, then looks are more or less all we have to debate at present (other then the few who's had the opportunity for that oh-so-brief test drive).what we do have is the hairdresser brigade going on about this or that paint job/wheels/etc.
In other news, cars are on the line, and I guess we'll see the first demonstrators with dealers in the next few weeks. Customer cars soon after.
Hold your patience a little longer. It will all be worth it.
C43 said:
Hi Scuffers,
yes I have been on track, and yes I agree with the stone chips, as the front on my Europa will testify.
and as for dents....you know what I mean. Lets call them abrasions then if that works better. So come on, how many battle wounds does your car actually have?
currently, none...yes I have been on track, and yes I agree with the stone chips, as the front on my Europa will testify.
and as for dents....you know what I mean. Lets call them abrasions then if that works better. So come on, how many battle wounds does your car actually have?
last ones I had was both front and back clams from a certain driver training specialist....
Think it is about the same times scales for Murrays.
I know Murray's will be in white but may be good to get a couple of pictures up of the various demo's round the country. Gives people who have put a deposit down an opportunity to determine which colours they like.
George
Ps My wife and I had a drive in one and its absolutely awesome (hence waiting on March delivery)
I know Murray's will be in white but may be good to get a couple of pictures up of the various demo's round the country. Gives people who have put a deposit down an opportunity to determine which colours they like.
George
Ps My wife and I had a drive in one and its absolutely awesome (hence waiting on March delivery)
Christopher Neil was doing a couple of drives but not sure when, info from Lotus forums was:
By popular demand the Exige S is returning for 2 days of customer test drives at Christopher Neils in Northwich, Cheshire. Call Steve Jeavons on 01606 41481 or email sales@christopherneil.co.uk to book your slot. Have fun!!
George
By popular demand the Exige S is returning for 2 days of customer test drives at Christopher Neils in Northwich, Cheshire. Call Steve Jeavons on 01606 41481 or email sales@christopherneil.co.uk to book your slot. Have fun!!
George
So, no LSD for a "trackday" version of a car with a supercharged V6 on 1,100 kilos and only "likely" for the "race" version, supposed to run on slicks???
I can guess why they try to catch our attention with a nice paintjob... The premium on its price must be way higher than that on a proper differential!
I can guess why they try to catch our attention with a nice paintjob... The premium on its price must be way higher than that on a proper differential!
LSD is more than likely for the race car, it's only that they haven't finalised the spec yet.
It used to be an option for the Cup 260 so it's not like Lotus don't do them.
I think there's a lot of macho posturing going on ph when it comes to LSD's too. Everyone seems to think they are essential because Chris Harris said something yet it really isn't as simple as chucking on an LSD and everything will be better. Many are slow witted and don't lock up when you need them to. A slow reacting diff is frustrating and virtually pointless but an aggressive locking diff really will start to interfere with the way the car turns in. It's a problem I still haven't been able to solve to my satisfaction on my Caterham.
I'll take Lotus's expertise over what you read in car magazines any day. Also I think putting steering first is the right thing to do, especially for a car used mainly on the road. Lovely steering will give you far, far more hours of enjoyment overall.
It used to be an option for the Cup 260 so it's not like Lotus don't do them.
I think there's a lot of macho posturing going on ph when it comes to LSD's too. Everyone seems to think they are essential because Chris Harris said something yet it really isn't as simple as chucking on an LSD and everything will be better. Many are slow witted and don't lock up when you need them to. A slow reacting diff is frustrating and virtually pointless but an aggressive locking diff really will start to interfere with the way the car turns in. It's a problem I still haven't been able to solve to my satisfaction on my Caterham.
I'll take Lotus's expertise over what you read in car magazines any day. Also I think putting steering first is the right thing to do, especially for a car used mainly on the road. Lovely steering will give you far, far more hours of enjoyment overall.
once again, your just showing your blind faith in sucking up Lotus arse though...
reason they do not fit LSD's is simply down to money, as it would cost money to fit one and the electronic solution is cheaper (as you already have ABS etc).
You are right that there are LSD's and LSD's, however, it would be easy enough to pick an off the shelf one to do the job.
(must say at this point that most of the reasons with the current cars that make people want an LSD are actually issues relating to crap suspension setup rather than the actual need for an LSD).
reason they do not fit LSD's is simply down to money, as it would cost money to fit one and the electronic solution is cheaper (as you already have ABS etc).
You are right that there are LSD's and LSD's, however, it would be easy enough to pick an off the shelf one to do the job.
(must say at this point that most of the reasons with the current cars that make people want an LSD are actually issues relating to crap suspension setup rather than the actual need for an LSD).
The Pits said:
I think there's a lot of macho posturing going on ph when it comes to LSD's too. Everyone seems to think they are essential because
I believe they are useful/essential on a trackday/race car because I have driven many and as power to weight ratio increases I have found them becoming more and more worthwile. I am not a professional driver, as I think the average V6 Exige customer will be.The Pits said:
A slow reacting diff is frustrating and virtually pointless but an aggressive locking diff really will start to interfere with the way the car turns in. It's a problem I still haven't been able to solve to my satisfaction on my Caterham.
You are talking about a plate differential, which should be hardly the choice on a trackday car, which is supposed to be used on the road, too.A Torsen-type differential can do no harm on a car like the Exige.
The Pits said:
I'll take Lotus's expertise over what you read in car magazines any day.
I do not read ANY car magazine since when I was a young boy, but I would not take the expertise of Lotus over that of countless professional racers and my (amateur) experience, because Lotus is strongly biased on money side, exactly as magazines are.OK, a plate differential interferes with geo setup and is not good for the average driver, but which pro/amateur driver on Earth would choose a car with no LSD over one equipped with a setup-free Torsen-type?
Let us face it: the problem here is that a Quaife diff costs 1,000 Pounds and cannot be sold at 4,000, as fancy paintjobs or "limited editions" allow.
Franco and Scuffers I agree with you that a good diff works well but on a mid engined car with good traction it becomes a loss less useful. Unless you have a full hydraulic controlled diff they will take away from steering feel and give more mid corner u/s.
bottom line it does not matter what diff it has, what matters is how it drivers.
cheers
C43
bottom line it does not matter what diff it has, what matters is how it drivers.
cheers
C43
They've had diffs on offer to Exige customers for years but still don't recommend them. As a company they traditionally are against LSDs. And always used to say that a properly set up car doesn't need one. Yes typically aloof about handling but I think they have a right to be.
Lord knows they'd be happy to take more money from customers so why do they still advise against fitting diffs?
There will be one for the V6 Exige so I think a few chill pills are needed here. Time will tell if fitting one to a road car really will bring the benefits people here are assuming.
Lord knows they'd be happy to take more money from customers so why do they still advise against fitting diffs?
There will be one for the V6 Exige so I think a few chill pills are needed here. Time will tell if fitting one to a road car really will bring the benefits people here are assuming.
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