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Vale said:
kevin ritson said:
Vale said:
But then a bike is better vehicle round Knockhill than a Lotus.
It's not so great when you're cartwheeling down Duffus Dip and back into the path of another vehicle...http://www.power-images.co.uk/gallerys/2007/knockhill/bike_racing/30-09-07/slides/30-09-07%20462.html
RobM77 said:
Vale said:
BSB Superstock, and Superstock Cup was definately not in the dry in 2007. That I can guarantee.
Superstock lap record is a 50.8 sec lap. Superbikes were 48's in practice.
They're not road standard though are they? Superstock bikes run slick tyres and a wet weight 15kg less than the factory list dry weight. You can't compare a race bike with a road car!Superstock lap record is a 50.8 sec lap. Superbikes were 48's in practice.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 18th December 11:28
RobM77 said:
Vale said:
kevin ritson said:
Vale said:
But then a bike is better vehicle round Knockhill than a Lotus.
It's not so great when you're cartwheeling down Duffus Dip and back into the path of another vehicle...http://www.power-images.co.uk/gallerys/2007/knockhill/bike_racing/30-09-07/slides/30-09-07%20462.html
Vale said:
RobM77 said:
Vale said:
BSB Superstock, and Superstock Cup was definately not in the dry in 2007. That I can guarantee.
Superstock lap record is a 50.8 sec lap. Superbikes were 48's in practice.
They're not road standard though are they? Superstock bikes run slick tyres and a wet weight 15kg less than the factory list dry weight. You can't compare a race bike with a road car!Superstock lap record is a 50.8 sec lap. Superbikes were 48's in practice.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 18th December 11:28
My apologies - I thought they ran on Metzeler racing slicks. The tyres are full racing ones though aren't they? Equivalent to something like a Yoko 48R on a car? Something like this? :
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/mot...
You're right, around most circuits that I've seen a comparison done on, Caterhams edge out bikes by a second or so. Bikes generally have the edge on circuits with hairpins followed by straights, or very tight sections created especially for bikes - like Silverstone circuit for bikes for instance - I think a road spec bike can pip a Radical SR3 by a few tenths around there (EVO compared a Crescent Suzuki with an SR3 a year or two ago).
Personally, I'll have both please A Fireblade or an R1 and an R400 or an R500 in my garage would make me a very happy man. Neither in illuminous colours though please
Metzeler sponsor the Superstock class so its a road legal control tyre, i.e. treaded. Everyone is on Racetecs.
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
No question both are fun, just different. But about speed.
Gareth.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPQzD6Cm-M
Rutter.
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=316040265&channel=32445265
Looks fun either way!
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
No question both are fun, just different. But about speed.
Gareth.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPQzD6Cm-M
Rutter.
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=316040265&channel=32445265
Looks fun either way!
Vale said:
Metzeler sponsor the Superstock class so its a road legal control tyre, i.e. treaded. Everyone is on Racetecs.
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
See my link and analogy above. The Yoko 48R for cars is a similar tyre - road legal but very soft and blindingly quick. I still think my link to those stock bikes run by amateurs is more akin the Caterham times I found for road legal cars run by amateurs, rather than the Metzeler SS BSB support race series.http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
I agree both are great fun
RobM77 said:
Vale said:
Metzeler sponsor the Superstock class so its a road legal control tyre, i.e. treaded. Everyone is on Racetecs.
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
See my link and analogy above. The Yoko 48R for cars is a similar tyre - road legal but very soft and blindingly quick. I still think my link to those stock bikes run by amateurs is more akin the Caterham times I found for road legal cars run by amateurs, rather than the Metzeler SS BSB support race series.http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
I agree both are great fun
The real amateur racers can do 53's. As can be seen on www.mylaps.com
Vale said:
RobM77 said:
Vale said:
Metzeler sponsor the Superstock class so its a road legal control tyre, i.e. treaded. Everyone is on Racetecs.
http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
See my link and analogy above. The Yoko 48R for cars is a similar tyre - road legal but very soft and blindingly quick. I still think my link to those stock bikes run by amateurs is more akin the Caterham times I found for road legal cars run by amateurs, rather than the Metzeler SS BSB support race series.http://www.metzelermoto.co.uk/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/supersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=130709&uri=/metzeler/en_GB/browser/xml/catalog/moto/SuperSport_Racetec.xml&menu_item=/products/catalog/supersport
Which are very good in the dry.
I agree both are great fun
The real amateur racers can do 53's. As can be seen on www.mylaps.com
Vale said:
For sure. You cant beat having 4 bits of rubber on the ground. Simple as that!
And you cant beat having half the grip for making it more fun. imho.
But less of that. How was Gareths driving in the vid?
agreed! And you cant beat having half the grip for making it more fun. imho.
But less of that. How was Gareths driving in the vid?
I'm a big fan of in-car video, but sadly You Tube is blocked at my work. I'll check it out when I'm home on Friday though
Vale said:
But less of that. How was Gareths driving in the vid?
I don't know KH but seemed pretty smooth and the car is certainly quick - perhaps a little more kerb abuse wouldn't have gone amiss although there's a YouTube vid of a trackday where a Westie hits one of those tyre stacks or whatever they are - ouch.I note the "forum owners" have backed down
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