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s5tvr said:
RG just need to be more open and transparent.
Most odd. I used this thing called a 'telephone' to carry put something called a 'conversation' with some 'humans' who work at RG. Within minutes I had all the answers that others feel the need to pump out on public forums.
I suspect the reason they haven't called and spoken to you directly to explain their product and service is that they may not know who you are.
Obviously, it could be that they are devil worshippers intent on robbing innocent TVR owners with their secret and mystical products.
DonkeyApple said:
Most odd. I used this thing called a 'telephone' to carry put something called a 'conversation' with some 'humans' who work at RG.
Most odd. Successful companies use this customer oriented concept called advertising to outline their products / services to prospective customers. Some even have websites that make it clear what they offer, how much it costs and what guarantees / warranties are in place. How odd is that ? I'll see your...
and raise you a s5tvr said:
Most odd. Successful companies use this customer oriented concept called advertising to outline their products / services to prospective customers. Some even have websites that make it clear what they offer, how much it costs and what guarantees / warranties are in place. How odd is that ?
I'll see your... and raise you a
Not at all. Different companies are run different ways. You cannot go and define success as publishing a set of prices which may or may not be relevant. I'll see your...
and raise you a It always amuses me how the same people jump onto any RG thread and start wittering about how they wouldn't use rG because they don't publish everything on their website.
All anyone has to do is pick up the phone and ask. Then all you need to do is see if it is within your budget or compare the price to others. Then go and try the options and make a choice.
I know an awful lot of businesses which for various reasons do not publish prices. All of them are in competitive markets so it's not as if they are going to randomly ramp up prices etc
Out of interest what are the long term prospects for the FFF, particularly for maintenance? Outside of RG, who has the expertise to service and supply parts for them in the long term? How long will RG be supporting it for, 5 years, 10 years, 20+ years? Assuming they're still around of course.
DonkeyApple said:
Not at all. Different companies are run different ways. You cannot go and define success as publishing a set of prices which may or may not be relevant.
It always amuses me how the same people jump onto any RG thread and start wittering about how they wouldn't use rG because they don't publish everything on their website.
All anyone has to do is pick up the phone and ask. Then all you need to do is see if it is within your budget or compare the price to others. Then go and try the options and make a choice.
I know an awful lot of businesses which for various reasons do not publish prices. All of them are in competitive markets so it's not as if they are going to randomly ramp up prices etc
I appreciate different companies are run in different ways, but in TVR circles they appear to have a very different marketing strategy with regards transparency of pricing of options and warranties.It always amuses me how the same people jump onto any RG thread and start wittering about how they wouldn't use rG because they don't publish everything on their website.
All anyone has to do is pick up the phone and ask. Then all you need to do is see if it is within your budget or compare the price to others. Then go and try the options and make a choice.
I know an awful lot of businesses which for various reasons do not publish prices. All of them are in competitive markets so it's not as if they are going to randomly ramp up prices etc
Far from knocking RG's product, which I wouldn't do as I have no experience of it or them, I genuinely hope it provides a good alternative to what Power & Str8Six etc are offering - I just don't understand their lack of transparency when as I say others are. Maybe that's about to change ?
s5tvr said:
I appreciate different companies are run in different ways, but in TVR circles they appear to have a very different marketing strategy with regards transparency of pricing of options and warranties.
Far from knocking RG's product, which I wouldn't do as I have no experience of it or them, I genuinely hope it provides a good alternative to what Power & Str8Six etc are offering - I just don't understand their lack of transparency when as I say others are. Maybe that's about to change ?
But that's the whole point, there is no lack of transparency. Anyone can pick up a telephone and ask and they will be told. Far from knocking RG's product, which I wouldn't do as I have no experience of it or them, I genuinely hope it provides a good alternative to what Power & Str8Six etc are offering - I just don't understand their lack of transparency when as I say others are. Maybe that's about to change ?
Not getting why it has to be on a website or it can't possibly be true.
But if someone has not experienced the product or spoken to the company I can't see how they can comment.
(But if someone has not experienced the product or spoken to the company I can't see how they can comment.)
If people were not allowed their opinion unless they had experience of everything there would be no forums like these, your point is well made regarding the new fangled device called the phone but there are many who are suprised that RG dont use other modern technology like the net to improve there market position.
If people were not allowed their opinion unless they had experience of everything there would be no forums like these, your point is well made regarding the new fangled device called the phone but there are many who are suprised that RG dont use other modern technology like the net to improve there market position.
I don't know how I can make this point any more simple.... But I'll try.
The FFF (+bits), is still in development.
They are 'nearly' happy with it, and happy enough to take orders. (No down payment yet either for me, as my build would be in a few months).
As soon as all the pricing and options are nailed down, then would be the time to have it in black and white on the website.
If anyone wants to talk to them about it, they will happily give chapter and verse on the phone, or face to face.
(As an aide, they have been very pro-active in updating and changing their site, making sure that the information there is 100% accurate. They would have written what is there for a good reason. Also, maybe they want to be slightly realistic, and give dates they can work to - my head won't even be cast until August, so you can see the time frames already. The last sentence is conjecture though....)
The FFF (+bits), is still in development.
They are 'nearly' happy with it, and happy enough to take orders. (No down payment yet either for me, as my build would be in a few months).
As soon as all the pricing and options are nailed down, then would be the time to have it in black and white on the website.
If anyone wants to talk to them about it, they will happily give chapter and verse on the phone, or face to face.
(As an aide, they have been very pro-active in updating and changing their site, making sure that the information there is 100% accurate. They would have written what is there for a good reason. Also, maybe they want to be slightly realistic, and give dates they can work to - my head won't even be cast until August, so you can see the time frames already. The last sentence is conjecture though....)
dvs_dave said:
Out of interest what are the long term prospects for the FFF, particularly for maintenance? Outside of RG, who has the expertise to service and supply parts for them in the long term? How long will RG be supporting it for, 5 years, 10 years, 20+ years? Assuming they're still around of course.
I'm not sure that there is anything that can't be serviced or fixed by any other suitable firm. Laser Sag said:
(But if someone has not experienced the product or spoken to the company I can't see how they can comment.)
If people were not allowed their opinion unless they had experience of everything there would be no forums like these, your point is well made regarding the new fangled device called the phone but there are many who are suprised that RG dont use other modern technology like the net to improve there market position.
Obviously opinions are important which is why people should go and try this product. It is nothing like the alternatives and for some people it will be exactly what they are looking for. If people were not allowed their opinion unless they had experience of everything there would be no forums like these, your point is well made regarding the new fangled device called the phone but there are many who are suprised that RG dont use other modern technology like the net to improve there market position.
With regards to websites, it just strikes me as an odd 'item' for so many people to seemingly randomly pin their solid views to.
It is a very odd trait amongst the TVR fraternity. Plenty of manufacturers have multiple tuners that a client can use but I've never seen them rubbish the products of the company they didn't chose. I'm not saying you have, just that many in TVR circles behave like this.
The other thing that I find really silly are the posts that say 'if my engine goes bang, I know where I'm taking it'. Obviously they don't know where they are taking it as only some kind of retard would spend that kind of money without investigating the options first hand for themselves.
Donkey Apple
As a personal thing I have always liked to do as much investigation into anything I am going to be buying wether it be an engine rebuild or say a camera before narrowing down my choices and talking with the sellers of the chosen ones.In the good old days this was by way of the printed word but now the wonders of the web make this so much easier so I am just suprised RG do not make more use of a tool that is available to them.Does this make their product worse than others, no of course not.
I would have to agree that for anyone to say they know where they would go for their rebuild without looking at all the possibilities is very suprising even allowing for garage loyalties.
I hope not to have to go down any of the routes for a long while yet but as and when that does happen through engine wear or an influx of cash I shall enjoy looking at all the options before choosing the one best suited to me.
And surely that last part is what matters,its what suits different people as each will have different requirements and only one of the options will really suit their driving style/ pocket.
As stated previously this is in no way a go at RG as I for one like to have the different options open to me and I feel fairly certain that if TVR were still going they would looking at different engine layouts and characteristics to offer to the customer.
As a personal thing I have always liked to do as much investigation into anything I am going to be buying wether it be an engine rebuild or say a camera before narrowing down my choices and talking with the sellers of the chosen ones.In the good old days this was by way of the printed word but now the wonders of the web make this so much easier so I am just suprised RG do not make more use of a tool that is available to them.Does this make their product worse than others, no of course not.
I would have to agree that for anyone to say they know where they would go for their rebuild without looking at all the possibilities is very suprising even allowing for garage loyalties.
I hope not to have to go down any of the routes for a long while yet but as and when that does happen through engine wear or an influx of cash I shall enjoy looking at all the options before choosing the one best suited to me.
And surely that last part is what matters,its what suits different people as each will have different requirements and only one of the options will really suit their driving style/ pocket.
As stated previously this is in no way a go at RG as I for one like to have the different options open to me and I feel fairly certain that if TVR were still going they would looking at different engine layouts and characteristics to offer to the customer.
Laser Sag said:
Donkey Apple
As a personal thing I have always liked to do as much investigation into anything I am going to be buying wether it be an engine rebuild or say a camera before narrowing down my choices and talking with the sellers of the chosen ones.In the good old days this was by way of the printed word but now the wonders of the web make this so much easier so I am just suprised RG do not make more use of a tool that is available to them.Does this make their product worse than others, no of course not.
I would have to agree that for anyone to say they know where they would go for their rebuild without looking at all the possibilities is very suprising even allowing for garage loyalties.
I hope not to have to go down any of the routes for a long while yet but as and when that does happen through engine wear or an influx of cash I shall enjoy looking at all the options before choosing the one best suited to me.
And surely that last part is what matters,its what suits different people as each will have different requirements and only one of the options will really suit their driving style/ pocket.
As stated previously this is in no way a go at RG as I for one like to have the different options open to me and I feel fairly certain that if TVR were still going they would looking at different engine layouts and characteristics to offer to the customer.
Agree completely.As a personal thing I have always liked to do as much investigation into anything I am going to be buying wether it be an engine rebuild or say a camera before narrowing down my choices and talking with the sellers of the chosen ones.In the good old days this was by way of the printed word but now the wonders of the web make this so much easier so I am just suprised RG do not make more use of a tool that is available to them.Does this make their product worse than others, no of course not.
I would have to agree that for anyone to say they know where they would go for their rebuild without looking at all the possibilities is very suprising even allowing for garage loyalties.
I hope not to have to go down any of the routes for a long while yet but as and when that does happen through engine wear or an influx of cash I shall enjoy looking at all the options before choosing the one best suited to me.
And surely that last part is what matters,its what suits different people as each will have different requirements and only one of the options will really suit their driving style/ pocket.
As stated previously this is in no way a go at RG as I for one like to have the different options open to me and I feel fairly certain that if TVR were still going they would looking at different engine layouts and characteristics to offer to the customer.
Don1 said:
All they have done is changed the head, cams and a few other bits like timing chains (etc). You don't even need to adjust the tappets any more...
Buckets have been around since the 1920's (I believe), so we should be ok!
No adjustments needed? So has the FFF2 got hydraulic tappets? Very impressed if that's the case as this is the first I've heard it not needing tappet adjustments.Buckets have been around since the 1920's (I believe), so we should be ok!
Tell me more........
dvs_dave said:
Don1 said:
All they have done is changed the head, cams and a few other bits like timing chains (etc). You don't even need to adjust the tappets any more...
Buckets have been around since the 1920's (I believe), so we should be ok!
No adjustments needed? So has the FFF2 got hydraulic tappets? Very impressed if that's the case as this is the first I've heard it not needing tappet adjustments.Buckets have been around since the 1920's (I believe), so we should be ok!
Tell me more........
Don1 said:
Not that I'm any way near to RG's mouth piece, but I honestly believe that things will come in time. As for the racing part of RG, then let's see what happens.
I know this is a direct competitor to Power, but how long have Power been knocking out the 4.3/4.5 conversions? Three years at a guess? Who says that RG won't offer warrenties when they finally announce everything? They just about have the heads where they want them, the variable cam timing and exhausts are next on their list....
People are very quick to put something down, especially when their colours are aligned else-where. Personally I'm full of admiration for what Power/Str8-Six have done, and what they offer, but I have chosen to go down a different path.
Tvr Power have had the 4.3 on the market for 3.5 yrs but its actually been developed for 4.5 yrs, 4.5 thats been developed for 2 yrs and now racing in Gt Cup , 5 ltr still under development I know this is a direct competitor to Power, but how long have Power been knocking out the 4.3/4.5 conversions? Three years at a guess? Who says that RG won't offer warrenties when they finally announce everything? They just about have the heads where they want them, the variable cam timing and exhausts are next on their list....
People are very quick to put something down, especially when their colours are aligned else-where. Personally I'm full of admiration for what Power/Str8-Six have done, and what they offer, but I have chosen to go down a different path.
Dom
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