S60 D5... owners
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A lex said:
Once you get started I could well be interested in the steering rack and PAS pump (presuming yours are OK). We will just have to check the racks are the same, as Volvo fitted 4 different types!
Don't suppose you want a spoiler for the tailgate? I notice on your Reader's Cars thread that it doesn't seem to have one. A lex said:
Super Slo Mo said:
A lex said:
What colour is yours?
It'll need painting, it's blue, the steel/mid blue shade that's reasonably common (think it's similar to Y2Blade's S60).Whereabouts are you based? If the part numbers work out with the rack etc im going to need to combine a pick up with a trip across the water. No big deal, just needs a bit of thinking through
There is a 2005 D5 available in the classfieds with just 19,500 miles on the clock. Considering these cars are made to be motorway hacks a bit of a strange choice to cover just a few thousand miles a year.
£7500 - strong money in spite of the low miles.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
£7500 - strong money in spite of the low miles.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
soprano said:
There is a 2005 D5 available in the classfieds with just 19,500 miles on the clock. Considering these cars are made to be motorway hacks a bit of a strange choice to cover just a few thousand miles a year.
£7500 - strong money in spite of the low miles.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
if you look at the pic of the service book the last 3 services show a mileage greater than 19,500.£7500 - strong money in spite of the low miles.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
soprano said:
Busa mav said:
if you look at the pic of the service book the last 3 services show a mileage greater than 19,500.
I think you are looking at the mileage when the next service is due. The last service was at c. 15k miles Not enough miles per year for me. I'd prefer one that has been used and looked after.
soprano said:
Busa mav said:
if you look at the pic of the service book the last 3 services show a mileage greater than 19,500.
I think you are looking at the mileage when the next service is due. The last service was at c. 15k miles A - W said:
Last service 2009?
Not enough miles per year for me. I'd prefer one that has been used and looked after.
Same.Not enough miles per year for me. I'd prefer one that has been used and looked after.
The worst (reliability) cars I've came across personally are ones that haven't been used regularly.
I'd rather a high miler with a folder full of receipts.
y2blade said:
Same.
The worst (reliability) cars I've came across personally are ones that haven't been used regularly.
I'd rather a high miler with a folder full of receipts.
Agreed - I'd be worried at the lack of miles. As for servicing my service book is the same as the one in the pic which includes 'next service' - I think on the Euro iii engine it's 12k miles but I might be wrong. It seems from the pic that last service was 2009 at 15k unless the vendor hasn't photographed the next page.The worst (reliability) cars I've came across personally are ones that haven't been used regularly.
I'd rather a high miler with a folder full of receipts.
soprano said:
y2blade said:
Same.
The worst (reliability) cars I've came across personally are ones that haven't been used regularly.
I'd rather a high miler with a folder full of receipts.
Agreed - I'd be worried at the lack of miles. As for servicing my service book is the same as the one in the pic which includes 'next service' - I think on the Euro iii engine it's 12k miles but I might be wrong. It seems from the pic that last service was 2009 at 15k unless the vendor hasn't photographed the next page.The worst (reliability) cars I've came across personally are ones that haven't been used regularly.
I'd rather a high miler with a folder full of receipts.
soprano said:
Busa mav said:
if you look at the pic of the service book the last 3 services show a mileage greater than 19,500.
I think you are looking at the mileage when the next service is due. The last service was at c. 15k miles I will put my glasses on next time
Quick Volvo question
Musing over getting a S60/V70 manual , now skimming over the thread I gather an early 05 euro 3 facelift is the favoured car, but I've spied a decent looking 2005 55 plate 2.4D 163 S60 facelift which I presume is Euro4, what are the negatives of bar slightly increase fuel consumption and how would the economy compare to say a Passat 1.9tdi 130 (currently have an E39 525i auto which spend most of its life on the motorway averaging 30mpg)
Musing over getting a S60/V70 manual , now skimming over the thread I gather an early 05 euro 3 facelift is the favoured car, but I've spied a decent looking 2005 55 plate 2.4D 163 S60 facelift which I presume is Euro4, what are the negatives of bar slightly increase fuel consumption and how would the economy compare to say a Passat 1.9tdi 130 (currently have an E39 525i auto which spend most of its life on the motorway averaging 30mpg)
I've a feeling the Euro 4 has a DPF, but then most cars from around 2005 onwards seem to, so I suspect a Passat will to.
With regards economy, it depends how you drive, personally I found the D5 engine rather engaging, and tended to drive it harder than its replacement, which is a VAG 2.0 tdi. I averaged around 42 mpg from my Euro 3 model, although it was probably a bit below par compared to Alex's car (and others). However, if you were to expect around 40-44 mpg, you probably won't be far off.
The Passat (any VW 1.9-2.0 tdi engine, in my experience), I've found, should get 45-50 mpg without too much care, although the 1.9 and 2.0 diesel engines are not so nice to listen to when pushed, so I find (and this is purely subjective) that I drive them more sedately, which of course has a massive effect on relative consumption.
In a nutshell, the VW 1.9 tdi is probably 5 mpg better, as a rough figure plucked out of vaguely educated guesstimated thin air (I've got spreadsheets full of data on this stuff, based on cars I've owned, although it doesn't necessarily reflect driving style, and yes, I know, it's OCD, but it amuses me to do it).
With regards economy, it depends how you drive, personally I found the D5 engine rather engaging, and tended to drive it harder than its replacement, which is a VAG 2.0 tdi. I averaged around 42 mpg from my Euro 3 model, although it was probably a bit below par compared to Alex's car (and others). However, if you were to expect around 40-44 mpg, you probably won't be far off.
The Passat (any VW 1.9-2.0 tdi engine, in my experience), I've found, should get 45-50 mpg without too much care, although the 1.9 and 2.0 diesel engines are not so nice to listen to when pushed, so I find (and this is purely subjective) that I drive them more sedately, which of course has a massive effect on relative consumption.
In a nutshell, the VW 1.9 tdi is probably 5 mpg better, as a rough figure plucked out of vaguely educated guesstimated thin air (I've got spreadsheets full of data on this stuff, based on cars I've owned, although it doesn't necessarily reflect driving style, and yes, I know, it's OCD, but it amuses me to do it).
Cheers,
as much as I love my E39 driving 15k per year mostly motorway (although at a decent speed) 30mpg is beginning to grate,especially as I now basically only use it going back and forth to work (sorted my partner out with a Bmw F20 116d Ed on a cheap lease deal which I tend to use at weekends) so I could be saving circa £60-80 per month, but am only to aware this saving can vanish, if you buy the wrong 'cheap' diesel.
List of possible suspects
2002-2005 Passat 1.9tdi Saloon/Estate highline or sport
2005-2007 Passat Saloon 1.9tdi SE
2002-2005 Skoda Superb 1.9tdi
2002-2005 Volvo V70 / S60 D5
2003-2006 Skoda Octavia
For circa a£3-4k, under 100k
Any other views in the above welcome re what to watch out for / goes wrong
as much as I love my E39 driving 15k per year mostly motorway (although at a decent speed) 30mpg is beginning to grate,especially as I now basically only use it going back and forth to work (sorted my partner out with a Bmw F20 116d Ed on a cheap lease deal which I tend to use at weekends) so I could be saving circa £60-80 per month, but am only to aware this saving can vanish, if you buy the wrong 'cheap' diesel.
List of possible suspects
2002-2005 Passat 1.9tdi Saloon/Estate highline or sport
2005-2007 Passat Saloon 1.9tdi SE
2002-2005 Skoda Superb 1.9tdi
2002-2005 Volvo V70 / S60 D5
2003-2006 Skoda Octavia
For circa a£3-4k, under 100k
Any other views in the above welcome re what to watch out for / goes wrong
Well, it's a bit of a finger in the air exercise, as Alex and Y2Blade have had cars that have cost next to nothing in maintenance, whereas mine was a bit of a money pit.
However, I was a bit stupid when I bought mine (the V70), no service history, evidence of some minor body damage, mismatched chinese tyres (all of the red flags, basically). In hindsight, it had not been looked after, and just run on a shoestring, which they don't like.
My view is that a Passat/Superb of the era you're looking at will be cheaper to run (parts, fuel etc), but that the Volvo is much easier to work on if you're doing your own maintenance, and is in an utterly different league for motorway driving (quiet, comfortable, good stereo). It's also a much nicer engine to sit behind (more like a gruff petrol in character), whereas the VW 1.9 tdi is a rough old beast (although puts up with abuse very well).
However, I was a bit stupid when I bought mine (the V70), no service history, evidence of some minor body damage, mismatched chinese tyres (all of the red flags, basically). In hindsight, it had not been looked after, and just run on a shoestring, which they don't like.
My view is that a Passat/Superb of the era you're looking at will be cheaper to run (parts, fuel etc), but that the Volvo is much easier to work on if you're doing your own maintenance, and is in an utterly different league for motorway driving (quiet, comfortable, good stereo). It's also a much nicer engine to sit behind (more like a gruff petrol in character), whereas the VW 1.9 tdi is a rough old beast (although puts up with abuse very well).
Do take your points about a passat being a class below ad coming from.the E39 maybe a bridge to far in comfort sacrifice
Interested in the comments about the Volvo being easier to work on , as although I don't do much work myself, I will be using a BMW I work at workshop (techs are never hat keen on working on non franchise stuff when it's complicated!)
Reading bits on the net everyone seems to say how tough they are but they don't seem to be without the Dr expensive common issues.
....a Volvo does have a strange pull, must be being over 40!
Interested in the comments about the Volvo being easier to work on , as although I don't do much work myself, I will be using a BMW I work at workshop (techs are never hat keen on working on non franchise stuff when it's complicated!)
Reading bits on the net everyone seems to say how tough they are but they don't seem to be without the Dr expensive common issues.
....a Volvo does have a strange pull, must be being over 40!
Mustard said:
Do take your points about a passat being a class below ad coming from.the E39 maybe a bridge to far in comfort sacrifice
Interested in the comments about the Volvo being easier to work on , as although I don't do much work myself, I will be using a BMW I work at workshop (techs are never hat keen on working on non franchise stuff when it's complicated!)
Reading bits on the net everyone seems to say how tough they are but they don't seem to be without the Dr expensive common issues.
....a Volvo does have a strange pull, must be being over 40!
You might find the Volvo is more comfortable than the E39 (I'm not saying it is, since it's been nearly 10 years since I last drove an E39, so can't remember). However, I've driven quite a bit of other stuff, and the Volvo is head and shoulders above it all. Ok, the handling isn't as sharp as some, although it's not bad at all. Certainly, when jumping from a new (F30 I think) 320d which I had for 3 weeks during the Olympics, back into the Volvo, it wasn't a disappointment in the handling stakes, although the steering is somewhat slower (not that you notice it for long).Interested in the comments about the Volvo being easier to work on , as although I don't do much work myself, I will be using a BMW I work at workshop (techs are never hat keen on working on non franchise stuff when it's complicated!)
Reading bits on the net everyone seems to say how tough they are but they don't seem to be without the Dr expensive common issues.
....a Volvo does have a strange pull, must be being over 40!
The turning circle is something else though, you have to think like a truck, and plan tight manoeuvres before you get there.
I've been musing over what car to get next for ages and the D5 keeps cropping up, so much so that I've actually been doing some research, hence reading all of this thread!
I'd pretty much settled on a 04/05 facelift D5 with euro 3 engine however I've just read a few pages back that this only has a 12k service schedule compared with the euro 4 with 18k.
I'm not good at working these things but seeing as I do 18k - 20k a year would I better off spending a little more for a newer car on the basis that it isn't going to need servicing as often? Or do the plus points of the euro 3 (no dpf, better fuel economy) etc rule that out?
Budget will be 5k, 6 at an absolute push but I'd be banking on some change if poss to do the rear brakes, belt + tensioner.
I'd pretty much settled on a 04/05 facelift D5 with euro 3 engine however I've just read a few pages back that this only has a 12k service schedule compared with the euro 4 with 18k.
I'm not good at working these things but seeing as I do 18k - 20k a year would I better off spending a little more for a newer car on the basis that it isn't going to need servicing as often? Or do the plus points of the euro 3 (no dpf, better fuel economy) etc rule that out?
Budget will be 5k, 6 at an absolute push but I'd be banking on some change if poss to do the rear brakes, belt + tensioner.
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