GB Chat thread - Hawker Tempest
Discussion
Never used the bottles - don't even remember them being sold! My first kit was a Revell SE5a in about 1974 (when I was 4, helped by my Dad), and I've built literally hundereds since then. My modelling has tended to go in spells, the latest of which started about 4 years ago. Quality more than quantity is what I aim for in my old age!
Not opened the box on mine yet, safe in the knowledge that the longer it in stays there, the longer it remains unbuggered!
Anyway, having kept tabs on the other build threads, soaking up all the knowledge, tips n tricks like a sponge, I got to thinking about paint..
See, if I go the airbrush route, it will incur additional cost (which is fine), but I'd have to learn on something first. So I'm thinking of a brushed finish for the main colours. However, I have a few questions and ideas.
Fiddly bits aside, I was thinking of primer for for the main fuselage via aerosol.
Then hand brush the camoflague, add decals, and finally add a clear satin coat via aerosol.
Now, my questions are:
1. Will all the layers blur the detailing too much or affect the decals?
2. Would a satin finish reflect the overall paint colours and weathering better than a matt finish? (I'm thinking it would.)
3. Would the use of slightly non correct colours aid the weathered look? You see, I've seen sim depictions with what amounts to a dirty looking silver rather than grey, and I've seen on the 'bay an Airfix silver described similarly, or should I consider normal silver with a wash to get the same effect. The sim colours looked really good.
4. Do I have any idea what I'm doing?
TIA chaps.
Anyway, having kept tabs on the other build threads, soaking up all the knowledge, tips n tricks like a sponge, I got to thinking about paint..
See, if I go the airbrush route, it will incur additional cost (which is fine), but I'd have to learn on something first. So I'm thinking of a brushed finish for the main colours. However, I have a few questions and ideas.
Fiddly bits aside, I was thinking of primer for for the main fuselage via aerosol.
Then hand brush the camoflague, add decals, and finally add a clear satin coat via aerosol.
Now, my questions are:
1. Will all the layers blur the detailing too much or affect the decals?
2. Would a satin finish reflect the overall paint colours and weathering better than a matt finish? (I'm thinking it would.)
3. Would the use of slightly non correct colours aid the weathered look? You see, I've seen sim depictions with what amounts to a dirty looking silver rather than grey, and I've seen on the 'bay an Airfix silver described similarly, or should I consider normal silver with a wash to get the same effect. The sim colours looked really good.
4. Do I have any idea what I'm doing?
TIA chaps.
pacman1 said:
Now, my questions are:
1. Will all the layers blur the detailing too much or affect the decals?
Multiple light coats are far better than one or two heavier coats, no matter how strong the temptation to get paint on that covers quickly. Correctly thinned paint applied with a good quality brush will give you a very good finish with care, that will not blot out all the detail.1. Will all the layers blur the detailing too much or affect the decals?
pacman1 said:
2. Would a satin finish reflect the overall paint colours and weathering better than a matt finish? (I'm thinking it would.)
At this small scale it is arguable that a more matt finish is preferable to a slightly shiny/satin finish. However, it's your model so if you refer a satin finish, go for it.pacman1 said:
3. Would the use of slightly non correct colours aid the weathered look? You see, I've seen sim depictions with what amounts to a dirty looking silver rather than grey, and I've seen on the 'bay an Airfix silver described similarly, or should I consider normal silver with a wash to get the same effect. The sim colours looked really good.
I guess it depends on how clean or how dirty you want to portray your model. One thing I'd say is that it may be easier to make a clean model dirty (using the 'clean' colours) than to make a dirty model clean/lightly weathered (using altered colours). To be honest, dunno!pacman1 said:
4. Do I have any idea what I'm doing?
TIA chaps.
As much as the rest of us, I'd say! Remember, we all started somewhere and the beauty of this, as you've already found, is you can follow each build and pick and choose which bits from each build you want to try and attempt (I know I am). TIA chaps.
Quality is where it's at with brushes. A cheap brush will present you with a whole new world of not too pleasant challenges over spending a bit more on good quality artists brushes.
Take a look at the Windsor & Newton Series 7 range.
Take a look at the Windsor & Newton Series 7 range.
Red Firecracker said:
Quality is where it's at with brushes. A cheap brush will present you with a whole new world of not too pleasant challenges over spending a bit more on good quality artists brushes.
Take a look at the Windsor & Newton Series 7 range.
I only use about 3 brushes on a regular basis, so cost shouldn't be much of an issue either.Take a look at the Windsor & Newton Series 7 range.
Always good to look at other peoples' work as a benchmark:
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showt...
Great model, but confirms to me that I did the right thing by adding some wheel well detail, and I'll definitely be finishing mine matt rather than satin overall. Also, the rear of the radiator duct needs some attention; I noticed tonight that the radiator duct insert doesn't match the wing roots at all and requires some shaping and filling, very evident on this model too.
His canopy looks good considering it's the thick original. I dipped mine in Klear, but it still distorts quite badly. Might use the Resin Art vac form bubble combined with the original front.
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showt...
Great model, but confirms to me that I did the right thing by adding some wheel well detail, and I'll definitely be finishing mine matt rather than satin overall. Also, the rear of the radiator duct needs some attention; I noticed tonight that the radiator duct insert doesn't match the wing roots at all and requires some shaping and filling, very evident on this model too.
His canopy looks good considering it's the thick original. I dipped mine in Klear, but it still distorts quite badly. Might use the Resin Art vac form bubble combined with the original front.
I've never tried replicating clear covers with coloured bulbs, which can be very tricky in 1/72. It involves
cutting off the light section of the wing tip
cutting a piece of clear plastic (I've heard old CD covers work for this)
drilling a hole in the clear section and filling the hole with red or green paint
glueing the clear section into the wingtip
sanding and polishing the clear plastic to belnd it in with teh wing tip
If the light covers are coloured, I just paint the light section of the wing tip the appropraite red or green.
cutting off the light section of the wing tip
cutting a piece of clear plastic (I've heard old CD covers work for this)
drilling a hole in the clear section and filling the hole with red or green paint
glueing the clear section into the wingtip
sanding and polishing the clear plastic to belnd it in with teh wing tip
If the light covers are coloured, I just paint the light section of the wing tip the appropraite red or green.
dr_gn said:
RE. the topic of old vs. new paints; had a rummage in the loft earlier and found these:
I'm sure the old folk will appreciate it! The price on the (unopened) Airfix bottles is 9d . Pretty sure I've got a much smaller glass Airfix bottle as well, but I can't find it.
Re the smaller bottles, I remember in some kits Airfix used to provide small glass vials of paint roughly appropriate to the model. Are you perhaps thinking of these?I'm sure the old folk will appreciate it! The price on the (unopened) Airfix bottles is 9d . Pretty sure I've got a much smaller glass Airfix bottle as well, but I can't find it.
Gassing Station | Scale Models | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff