GB Chat thread - Hawker Tempest

[dr_gn]

RichB said:

e the smaller bottles, I remember in some kits Airfix used to provide small glass vials of paint roughly appropriate to the model. Are you perhaps thinking of these?

No, it was similar to the taller bottles, but about half the height, with a black plastic scrw to IIRC. Might not have been Airfix. I can't find it now.

I remember the vials, with a clar plastic lid, were they Airfix, or Revell?

[Eric Mc]

On the subject of old paints, anyone remember these -

[Shar2]

Vaguely remember the compucolour stuff. I've still got, and use on occasions Gloy enamel paints. They're still spot on colourwise and spray really well.

[Eric Mc]

The late Ian Huntley (no, not THAT Ian Huntley), the reknowned Fairey historian and colour expert, was employed as a colour consultant for both Gloy and Compucolour.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 6th February 14:48

[Shar2]

You really are a mine of information Eric.

[perdu]

I used to pop down to a small house on a housing estate near Basingstoke, Overton I think it was, to buy my next/latest Compucolours. This was after the original company went pop. The nice people there had the rights to manufacture and sell them under their original branding, as there was a legal issue with ongoing name and colour use

I'd often bought it Mail Order anyway, but work were mad enough to send me to Basigrad occasionally so with lots of hanging around time once on site, well I would have been mad not to

They made a nice cup of coffee for visitors, people I liked very much.


It was beautiful paint, mixed to a fine pigment and had a colour accuracy I would love seeing available now

In my left hand NOW Eric.. CBC 18 R.A.F. Blue Gray

(put it down now so I can tyope properlike again )

I would love Ocean Grey, Sea Grey Medium, and Dark Green from their range here and now

Tiffie'd be well on t'way to the finish

As you can see, packaging did change...

Edited by perdu on Sunday 6th February 14:38

[dr_gn]

Does anyone have a picture of the Resin Art replacement rudder for the Tempest V? I want to cut mine off and move it slightly, but I cant figure out the exact profile of the cut edge. Is it a straight line, or a line with two square hinge cuts on it?

Also, wing lights: are the covers clear with coloured bulbs, or are the covers coloured?

Cheers

[Eric Mc]

dr_gn said:

Does anyone have a picture of the Resin Art replacement rudder for the Tempest V? I want to cut mine off and move it slightly, but I cant figure out the exact profile of the cut edge. Is it a straight line, or a line with two square hinge cuts on it?

Also, wing lights: are the covers clear with coloured bulbs, or are the covers coloured?

Cheers

I asked about the bulbs earlier. Some artwork I've seen shows coloured lens covers rather than coloured bulbs.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

I asked about the bulbs earlier. Some artwork I've seen shows coloured lens covers rather than coloured bulbs.

Having done a bit of searching I think once again it's a case of do whatever you like:

[Eric Mc]

Fantastic. Painted lens covers for me then.

[pacman1]

I looked at some rice lights in my local modellers' yesterday, but I think they are still too big to fit. Maybe 1:48.
Fibre optic is the only way.

[dr_gn]

I went for coloured covers too. Cut the originals out and replaced with clear styrene:



then started shaping & polishing:



Then painted with clear red and green:



Made two, but then one disappeared into the carpet, never to be seen again.

Repainted the spinner and added the break line with pencil. Looks so much more 'right' in sky than in red. Just needs a few dings and scratches and the prop's done:

[pacman1]

Nice work. Jeez, is it ever small! I have all this to come.

[Cerberus90]

I think something's happened with my colours.

As in, I've got the wrong ones.


I somehow managed to order XF-81 Dark green instead of XF-61 Dark green. Not sure what the difference is, but thats mistake one.

Secondly, the XF-54 is Dark sea grey, and my underside looks much darker than everyone elses, medium sea grey is XF-83.

Just looking, XF-54 is supposed to be the top grey colour.


So I've got the wrong base colour.


damn you dr_gn, , was that sabotage??

[Eric Mc]

The Air Ministry terminology for these colours were

Upper Surfaces - Ocean Grey/Dark Green

Lower Surfaces - Medium Sea Grey

Post war, the RAF moved to Dark Green and Medium Sea Grey upper surfaces with aluminium/silver undersides. In the 60s and 70s, the undersides became Light Aircraft Grey.
In the 80s the camouflage pattern was extemded around the entire airframe.

Disruptive grey/green camouflage patterns have largely fallen out of favour these days.

[Cerberus90]

Half the problem was that link that was posted to the site that converted the RAF colours into Tamiya colours.

I believe they've got the number wrong for the medium sea grey. That or Tamiya have changed the numbers around,



Anyway, I'm not going for 100% historical accuracy, none of my models are.

I just build for the enjoyment of building it and then having something that looks nice on my shelf,

[Eric Mc]

At the end of the day, you do what pleases you.

The problem with Tamiya is that they don't use the official names for colours - especially when it comes to the Brit ones.

That's one of the reasons why I have standardised with the Xtracrylic range

a) because they are acrylic and therefore odour free and quick drying
b) because they are British and know and understand the Air Ministry amd MoD designations and shades better than anyone else (in my opinion)

I;m not altogether sure about their Luftwaffe colours but for British subjects they are the ones for me.

[dr_gn]

Cerberus90 said:

I think something's happened with my colours.

As in, I've got the wrong ones.


I somehow managed to order XF-81 Dark green instead of XF-61 Dark green. Not sure what the difference is, but thats mistake one.

Secondly, the XF-54 is Dark sea grey, and my underside looks much darker than everyone elses, medium sea grey is XF-83.

Just looking, XF-54 is supposed to be the top grey colour.


So I've got the wrong base colour.


damn you dr_gn, , was that sabotage??

Errr, nope, not sabotage. I seem to remember that the IPMS Stockholm chart was wrong (from when I painted the Spitfire), but I thought - somewhere - that I pointed this out and called them a bunch of incopetent tts. If I've quoted the chart to you somewhere, then sorry, it's me whos an incompetent tt. If I were you I'd repaint it. If it's any consolation, on the Tempest I used Tamiya paint for the upper surfaces, but had to considerably darken whatever grey they specified with NATO black, or else it would have been zero contrast with the lower surfaces.

Modelling's great isn't it?

[Cerberus90]

dr_gn said:

Errr, nope, not sabotage. I seem to remember that the IPMS Stockholm chart was wrong (from when I painted the Spitfire), but I thought - somewhere - that I pointed this out and called them a bunch of incopetent tts. If I've quoted the chart to you somewhere, then sorry, it's me whos an incompetent tt. If I were you I'd repaint it. If it's any consolation, on the Tempest I used Tamiya paint for the upper surfaces, but had to considerably darken whatever grey they specified with NATO black, or else it would have been zero contrast with the lower surfaces.

Modelling's great isn't it?

You did say you thought the shades were mixed up, so top was bottom and bottom was top.

But its the charts fault, they got the wrong number for medium sea grey.

The colour on the cap also looks alot lighter than it is when applied. Stupid paints,

[DavidY]

Better get a move on, had the kit for a month now staring at me on my office desk, been too busy building and painting more Warhammer for my son (and me if the truth be known). Not too busy at work this week so will make a start!

davidy