Clio 200 questions
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Technomatt said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Despite Technomatt's obvious problems I'm pretty sure that is a load of tripe.
Matt, the fact that a new 'box was fitted in 2012 and then failed still proves nothing. "If" there is an upgraded 'box available, it doesn't mean one was fitted to that car does it?
If anything, given how such companies work (it's not just Renault, most arethe same) I'd expect they'd still try and clear their stock of the potentially duff 'boxes first.
Maybe that's why my local dealer chose to rebuild rather than replace.
More importantly, why t. f. am I even getting involved in this thread?!
So the new line is..... 'they are clearing out old gearbox stock'. Matt, the fact that a new 'box was fitted in 2012 and then failed still proves nothing. "If" there is an upgraded 'box available, it doesn't mean one was fitted to that car does it?
If anything, given how such companies work (it's not just Renault, most arethe same) I'd expect they'd still try and clear their stock of the potentially duff 'boxes first.
Maybe that's why my local dealer chose to rebuild rather than replace.
More importantly, why t. f. am I even getting involved in this thread?!
After 13 pages in this thread don't you think it's about time you chaps actually put something up to show there IS a gearbox mod? Zip so far.
Swervin_Mervin said:
As has been pointed out to you numerous times in 13 pages, no one's saying anything with conviction, other than you. No one knows, one way or the other, as to whether there's a modification to the 'box. We're all just guessing either way.
No guessing from me. I deal with the facts, until proven otherwise.As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
Technomatt said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
As has been pointed out to you numerous times in 13 pages, no one's saying anything with conviction, other than you. No one knows, one way or the other, as to whether there's a modification to the 'box. We're all just guessing either way.
No guessing from me. I deal with the facts, until proven otherwise.As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
Genuine question, not trying to be funny
It's 14 pages because someone has an unusual gripe and can't answer the straight question of why this fault.
Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
Technomatt said:
No guessing from me. I deal with the facts, until proven otherwise.
As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
- No feeding the trolls* .... well here goes anyway.
A 1.1% failure rate
Please present some facts to counter this rather than just resorting to insults as previous. Either the poll is unreliable and statistically meaningless and so your whole argument is based merely on a few posts by owners with failures or the problem is not really that big.
Edited by GrumpyTwig on Thursday 30th May 22:35
roystinho said:
It's 14 pages because someone has an unusual gripe and can't answer the straight question of why this fault.
Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
A few months ago you were going to find out from reliable sources the situation regrading the gearbox modification.......... need more time? Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
GrumpyTwig said:
Technomatt said:
No guessing from me. I deal with the facts, until proven otherwise.
As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.
- No feeding the trolls* .... well here goes anyway.
A 1.1% failure rate
Please present some facts to counter this rather than just resorting to insults as previous. Either the poll is unreliable and statistically meaningless and so your whole argument is based merely on a few posts by owners with failures or the problem is not really that big.
Edited by GrumpyTwig on Thursday 30th May 22:35
You can’t take a limited sample of gearbox failures from a small group of owners on a forum and then apply it to the Total UK sales of Clio 197/200.
Any credibility is undermined if you think every gearbox failure since day one of the Clio197/200 build are on the Clio197.net forum.
Technomatt said:
Your invalid statistics have already been exposed.
You can’t take a limited sample of gearbox failures from a small group of owners on a forum and then apply it the total UK sales of Clio 197/200.
Any credibility is undermined if you think every gearbox failure since day one of the Clio197/200 build are on the Clio197.net forum.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing?? You can’t take a limited sample of gearbox failures from a small group of owners on a forum and then apply it the total UK sales of Clio 197/200.
Any credibility is undermined if you think every gearbox failure since day one of the Clio197/200 build are on the Clio197.net forum.
framerateuk said:
I'm still confused Matt, as to why you're so keen on this issue? If you've not personally had trouble, why are you trying to fight this cause? Especially if you've had no experience with the car yourself? Are you trying to be some sort of consumer champion or something?
You may own a Megane, but that's an entirely different box and the gearboxes on the Megane have proved to be quite reliable so far. Also, the way you bang on about Renault, I'm surprised you have one at all since you seem to have nothing but complaints about them - especially the Clio 200 EDC, which I assume you haven't driven?
14 pages of content already explained.You may own a Megane, but that's an entirely different box and the gearboxes on the Megane have proved to be quite reliable so far. Also, the way you bang on about Renault, I'm surprised you have one at all since you seem to have nothing but complaints about them - especially the Clio 200 EDC, which I assume you haven't driven?
Regarding the RS Clio 200T, driving on isn't going to change the fact that it's a non-distinctive, heavy, expensive, 5 door, softer, auto only product that was once a class leader and is now getting severely spanked by rivals both on and off the track.
Butter Face said:
Isn't that exactly what you're doing??
Nope, just using the same forum for the total base sample. Big difference. Better quality data set.There must be a Renault forum somewhere you can find that has no mention of gearbox failures, then you can claim there are 0% failures over the total life of the 197/200.
Technomatt said:
roystinho said:
It's 14 pages because someone has an unusual gripe and can't answer the straight question of why this fault.
Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
A few months ago you were going to find out from reliable sources the situation regrading the gearbox modification.......... need more time? Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
Technomatt said:
Nope, just using the same forum for the total base sample. Big difference. Better quality data set.
There must be a Renault forum somewhere you can find that has no mention of gearbox failures, then you can claim there are 0% failures over the total life of the 197/200.
The problem with your 'statistics' is that it assumes members of a forum are a representative set of Clio owners and those that elect to complete a voluntary survey are a representative set of those forum members.There must be a Renault forum somewhere you can find that has no mention of gearbox failures, then you can claim there are 0% failures over the total life of the 197/200.
Not a good quality data set at all.
I would like to know what your agenda is?
You clearly have one and you keep dodging the question.
roystinho said:
Technomatt said:
roystinho said:
It's 14 pages because someone has an unusual gripe and can't answer the straight question of why this fault.
Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
A few months ago you were going to find out from reliable sources the situation regrading the gearbox modification.......... need more time? Also because, with figures given on failures v cars sold its not that major really. Yes it's annoying for those who are affected but someone is trying to turn mole hills into mountains
ps I agree there is a fault on some 'boxes, and some have suggested a modification - yet to be clarified. Does it matter to a Megane owner? Or Clio V6 owner for that matter?
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