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Blue62

8,953 posts

153 months

Saturday 16th March
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Rosscow said:
The only time I've had to play mats on fairways was if you were within 100 yards of the greens 4 weeks before the Open at Royal St George's.

As Giles says above, it's not golf and I wouln't pay to play somewhere that enforced that rule!
Burnham is mats on the fairways, I’m a country member there and would rather not bother. Been an awful few months, who would be a green keeper?

48Valves

1,984 posts

210 months

Saturday 16th March
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My old club used to be mats on the fairway and first cut in winter.

I preferred it to playing off soggy muddy fairways.

I wish my current club would introduce them in winter to protect the fairways, but given how many people ignore other rules, some would probably just not bother.

fat80b

2,301 posts

222 months

Saturday 16th March
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I’ve recently got my own mat. £30 off Amazon. Digs into the ground and gives you the perfect lie. I got it after playing with some chaps that had them and I was “making do” with lift and clean and place

It is basically cheating even compared to winter rules and makes a massive difference- I don’t use it on every shot but if you are using a wedge, it makes for a different winter game.

Blackpuddin

16,671 posts

206 months

Saturday 16th March
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Is it OK to use mats then? Genuine question.

fourstardan

4,398 posts

145 months

Sunday 17th March
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Blue62 said:
Burnham is mats on the fairways, I’m a country member there and would rather not bother. Been an awful few months, who would be a green keeper?
Is that all the time? I have a few mates who go up there for the Winter Knockout and Comps they run.

Blackpuddin said:
Is it OK to use mats then? Genuine question.
Difficult one, if you pick and place its no different, but you then have perfect lie each time and a mat to hit it fat off.



Edited by fourstardan on Sunday 17th March 06:06

Blackpuddin

16,671 posts

206 months

Sunday 17th March
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fourstardan said:
Blue62 said:
Burnham is mats on the fairways, I’m a country member there and would rather not bother. Been an awful few months, who would be a green keeper?
Is that all the time? I have a few mates who go up there for the Winter Knockout and Comps they run.

Blackpuddin said:
Is it OK to use mats then? Genuine question.
Difficult one, if you pick and place its no different, but you then have perfect lie each time and a mat to hit it fat off.



Edited by fourstardan on Sunday 17th March 06:06
Sorry I should have asked whether it was legal to use your own mat.

Blue62

8,953 posts

153 months

Sunday 17th March
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fourstardan said:
Difficult one, if you pick and place its no different, but you then have perfect lie each time and a mat to hit it fat off.



Edited by fourstardan on Sunday 17th March 06:06
Don’t know why your question about Burnham doesn’t show when I try to reply, but the use of mats has been mandatory. The problem is that they were awarded a three year deal to host the final qualifier last year, but due to the state of the fairways the venue was switched to Royal Porthcawl, so they’re being ultra cautious.

I find it hard to follow their policy though as trollies have been allowed much of the time (you have to take a divot bag if you trolley) and if you elect not to pick and place you don’t have to use the mat!

Anyway, I played there two weeks ago and I’ve never seen it wetter, huge pools of water on and off the fairways that you need a scooper to retrieve unless you want to take your shoes and socks off.

milesgiles

463 posts

30 months

Sunday 17th March
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Must say I’m surprised sounds like mats are the future of winter golf.
Played berkhamsted yesterday never seen it softer. Fantastic course best in herts imo but hard to fully appreciate til it firms up

Ashfordian

2,058 posts

90 months

Sunday 17th March
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Blackpuddin said:
Sorry I should have asked whether it was legal to use your own mat.
No, it's not, as it is improving your lie.

However there can be local rules where mats are required to protect the course, and in this situation you are allowed to use your own mat.

andy_ran

593 posts

194 months

Sunday 17th March
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Rosscow said:
Yeah, we play there quite regularly, it's only half an hour from me. We have matches against them every year, too.

I heard it was closed - I've never heard of that either, and it was still only 10 holes open last week. Crazy
Did you get to play?
My course East Sussex National is STILL closed frown

Seems we are quite local

Edited by andy_ran on Sunday 17th March 15:36

fourstardan

4,398 posts

145 months

Sunday 17th March
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Blue62 said:
Don’t know why your question about Burnham doesn’t show when I try to reply, but the use of mats has been mandatory. The problem is that they were awarded a three year deal to host the final qualifier last year, but due to the state of the fairways the venue was switched to Royal Porthcawl, so they’re being ultra cautious.

I find it hard to follow their policy though as trollies have been allowed much of the time (you have to take a divot bag if you trolley) and if you elect not to pick and place you don’t have to use the mat!

Anyway, I played there two weeks ago and I’ve never seen it wetter, huge pools of water on and off the fairways that you need a scooper to retrieve unless you want to take your shoes and socks off.
I thought the fairways got the wrong fertiliser treatment so it fked them up?

We get Burnham on reciprocal and not played up there yet, I say up as its a 2 hour drive from Bournemouth !

Rosscow

8,789 posts

164 months

Monday 18th March
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andy_ran said:
Did you get to play?
My course East Sussex National is STILL closed frown

Seems we are quite local

Edited by andy_ran on Sunday 17th March 15:36
Yep - had a good afternoon. Was 1 over par through 12 but then dropped shots coming back into the wind on the way home! Some awful 3 putts (greens so slow compared to Rye!). Course wasn’t too bad, but very wet in places for a links course.

Anyhow, signed for a 80 which has dropped my HI to 8.7 so a good start to the season. Should really have been a 78 but I’ll take it considering I’ve not practiced at all.

Felt good though, I think the break has done me a favour (I’ve been doing a lot of running over winter and have a half marathon this weekend).

One of our members is Dave Bridger - he’s the pro shop manager at ESN. So yes, pretty local!

Blue62

8,953 posts

153 months

Monday 18th March
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fourstardan said:
I thought the fairways got the wrong fertiliser treatment so it fked them up?

We get Burnham on reciprocal and not played up there yet, I say up as its a 2 hour drive from Bournemouth !
The very dry summer (seems a lifetime ago) started the problem, one of the fairways actually caught fire, but they had a leather jacket problem two years ago, difficult to treat and they messed up. Some great courses in your part of the world, where are you?

fourstardan

4,398 posts

145 months

Monday 18th March
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Blue62 said:
The very dry summer (seems a lifetime ago) started the problem, one of the fairways actually caught fire, but they had a leather jacket problem two years ago, difficult to treat and they messed up. Some great courses in your part of the world, where are you?
Ferndown member.

We have had leatherjackets on the greens, horrible things, the only way to stop them seemed to be covering greens overnight with tarpaulins!


fourstardan

4,398 posts

145 months

Monday 18th March
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andy_ran said:
Did you get to play?
My course East Sussex National is STILL closed frown

Seems we are quite local

Edited by andy_ran on Sunday 17th March 15:36
Isn't ESN an ex quarry so clay base and obviously rather low in places?

I played it a few times on a Sussex County card 10 years odd back and it was really a nice treat to play.

Rosscow

8,789 posts

164 months

Monday 18th March
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ESN is lovely in the summer. Wouldn't be surprised if they change to a 9 month membership and just close for Dec, Jan and Feb to be honest.

Every year it seems wetter than the last!

Wills2

23,099 posts

176 months

Monday 18th March
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I played Ilkley on Friday, a lovely course that runs along side the river Wharfe, the river was doing a decent impression of the Nile in full flood and some of the fairways were very wet and boggy in places I was surprised it was open but we had the course to ourselves, but it reminded me of how miserable winter golf can be, I don't think I can recall a wetter period than that over the last 5 months my own course has been closed more than it's been open.


Greenie

1,832 posts

242 months

Monday 18th March
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fourstardan said:
Ferndown member.

We have had leatherjackets on the greens, horrible things, the only way to stop them seemed to be covering greens overnight with tarpaulins!
A local - I'm at Barton on Sea.

Never played it but heard Ferndown is very nice - old school but very nice. What are conditions like at the moment?

Hammersia

1,564 posts

16 months

Monday 18th March
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If it's a sign of things to come (warmer, wetter winters and dryer summers) then golf courses CAN adapt. Not saying they will, if they're anything like mine they will just waste money on amateurish badly designed course "improvements".

What they should be doing, certainly inland, is water management, build up a sand base on the fairways, with drainage into useful reservoirs (I know one or two local clubs doing this) etc.

Plenty of much wetter countries (Miami has far more rain than London) cope pretty well.

Rosscow

8,789 posts

164 months

Monday 18th March
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Does Miami have a general base layer of thick clay, though?!