The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint
Discussion
nick s said:
944fan said:
nick s said:
and I never p*ss in my wetsuits!! dirty gits! 
I was told by someone that there are two kinds of Triathletes. 1) Those who admit to pissing in their wetsuits and 2) Those who lie!
I don't mind admitting I have done in mine
Don't worry, wont try and sell it to anyone on here.is your wet suit still for sale ?
My swimming has improved a lot this year, so has my running, especially off road but I'm just not cycling enough so after three tris, two with good results, one not too bad (despite a bad injury) I think my tri days are over. I'm just too competitive to compete without solid training. Brief but fun.
A 1st (all off road), a 19th out of 260 (first ever time riding a road bike in a group), a 46th out of 270 (sliced open foot exiting swim, carried on, ambulanced away at the finish). Nothing massive but it's nice to look back and say "I did okay at that."
A 1st (all off road), a 19th out of 260 (first ever time riding a road bike in a group), a 46th out of 270 (sliced open foot exiting swim, carried on, ambulanced away at the finish). Nothing massive but it's nice to look back and say "I did okay at that."
DBSV8 said:
nick s said:
944fan said:
nick s said:
and I never p*ss in my wetsuits!! dirty gits!
I was told by someone that there are two kinds of Triathletes. 1) Those who admit to pissing in their wetsuits and 2) Those who lie!I don't mind admitting I have done in mine
Don't worry, wont try and sell it to anyone on here.is your wet suit still for sale ?
Well, I decided to get my arse in gear and start updating the blog again... After all, there's only 231 days to The Outlaw!
Currently working my way through the 10 week intermediate Sufferfest training plan. If my FTP doesn't increase after all the work I've been putting in, I'll eat my chamois
www.drgironman.blogspot.com
Currently working my way through the 10 week intermediate Sufferfest training plan. If my FTP doesn't increase after all the work I've been putting in, I'll eat my chamois
www.drgironman.blogspot.com
Greg66 said:
There are three Don Fink Ironfit plans: just finish, intermediate and competitive. All three are 30 weeks start to race day.
Sorry to show an extreme lack of initiative but I can find links to his (and his partners books) but not links to actual training plans themselves. Do you just buy his books or do you know where I can find his plans? 
drgav2005 said:
Currently working my way through the 10 week intermediate Sufferfest training plan. If my FTP doesn't increase after all the work I've been putting in, I'll eat my chamois
What are those Sufferfest plans like Dr G? I've got to do a heap of work on the bike this year and may take a look at them if they're worthwhile . . . how detailed are the training plans? Do they work on HR or power output?dangerousB said:
el stovey said:
Vladimir said:
A 1st (all off road),
OMG how many times have you mentioned that ? 
I knew about the one where his leg fell off in T1 and he was medevaced afterwards, but P1, numero uno, top step? Well I never! :big laugh:
el stovey said:
I feel like I was there, i've read about it so often. Even the bit at the end of the race when a kid said "some old guy won it". It's truly inspiring.
That was a local RUN not a triathlon.The tri was an Endurancelife event - never heard of them? Well you should have done.
But thanks for flagging it up. Makes you both look really cool.
Edited by Vladimir on Saturday 7th December 15:46
el stovey said:
Sorry to show an extreme lack of initiative but I can find links to his (and his partners books) but not links to actual training plans themselves. Do you just buy his books or do you know where I can find his plans?
They are in his book ("Ironfit" - still time to order on amazon for Xmas!). Greg66 said:
el stovey said:
Sorry to show an extreme lack of initiative but I can find links to his (and his partners books) but not links to actual training plans themselves. Do you just buy his books or do you know where I can find his plans?
They are in his book ("Ironfit" - still time to order on amazon for Xmas!). dangerousB said:
drgav2005 said:
Currently working my way through the 10 week intermediate Sufferfest training plan. If my FTP doesn't increase after all the work I've been putting in, I'll eat my chamois
What are those Sufferfest plans like Dr G? I've got to do a heap of work on the bike this year and may take a look at them if they're worthwhile . . . how detailed are the training plans? Do they work on HR or power output?I'm *very* impressed with them - they're very detailed and I'm finding them great fun.
The plan has 5 key blocks over the 10 weeks: Weeks 1,2,3 establish training routine, progressively more intense weeks and race simulation. Week 4 recovery week to absorb work of previous 3 weeks. Weeks 5,6,7 is the second 3-week training block, including strength and max intensity boosters. Week 8 recovery week to absorb work of previous 3 weeks. Weeks 9,10 final (painful!) work on high-end fitness. Starts off at around 5 hours per week, building up to about 8 hours in max weeks.
You need the following videos for the intermediate plan:
Angels
The Hunted
Blender
Hell Hath No Fury
Local Hero
The Wretched
The Long Scream
Fight Club
A Very Dark Place
Revolver
The Downward Spiral
There is no try
It does also require you to do outside sessions (so you don't have to be glued to your turbo all the time)... although given the weather I've found it easier to train indoors.
Best off if you have a Power meter - if not, you can work off HR. Before you start the plan you measure your Functional Threshold Power and all your efforts are based round this. I'm lucky that I'm using a KICKR turbo trainer which is controlled over ANT+ / Bluetooth. I watch the videos synched up with the training programme in Trainer Road which then controls the power outputs on the turbo that I need to reach. This way I know that I'm not under/over training.
Biggest change I've found so far is my ability to keep a higher cadence for much longer - I'd been a bit of a grinder previously but now my legs are learning to spin faster! It's the first proper bike training plan I've followed, so I'm not in a position to say it's the best out there... but if I can raise my FTP, and more importantly drop my bike split time for the Outlaw next year, it will be well worth the investment!
el stovey said:
Thanks. Just done it. It seems a popular plan, how did you get on with it?
Overall, pretty well, with a couple of caveats. I think you have to regard your first IM training prog as a learning curve. Fink's plan assumes, IMO, you're a triathlete looking to move up to IM. So, for instance, in the competitive plan you start at 2 2500 swim sets a week. Compared to run and bike IM distances that's like starting with 2 x 75m bikes or 2 x 18m runs. Now he does this because IM prep is all about building a massive aerobic engine, and you're a damned site less likely to injure yourself swimming than doing the other two activities. But even so it a ride awakening (it took me 5 sessions to get up to 2500m, and swimming is my best of the three). After ten weeks it jumps to 3x 3000m (I didn't jump with it!).
For various reasons I was signed off running for 21 of the 30 weeks, but I found the running ok during the time I was able to. Over the final two months or so I couldn't run, so I doubled up on cycling. I'd say that's a weakness of the Fink plans: not enough long bike rides. You want to come off the bike with your legs in the best possible shape. Five centuries before your taper is what I'd now consider a minimum, which is quite a bit more than Fink prescribes. Bottom line is that you're unlikely to injure yourself biking once you're into the second half of the plan, so pour it on.
The undoubted plus is that if you cover the plan you will have a good race day. So it conveys well what sort of volumes and intensity you need to put in. Against that, you have to appreciate that it is a one sized fits all plan. Some adaption to the individual won't go amiss (eg - I realised pretty early on I was in line for a 65 min swim, and putting in huge swim volumes would give me another 5 mins maybe, which is a lot easier to find on the bike or run. That said I backed off too much, which allied to poor spotting got me into T1 in 68 mins).
So this year I've worked out my own plan based on Fink principles but with some twists to suit me. I would never have had the balls to do that in year one, so Fink was both a massive help and a lesson.
Of course, breaking my foot four days in has fecked things somewhat...
Mike - unlike my swimming and running I don't really have a structured plan for cycling. For base training I just ride a lot without ever really pushing too hard. Increasing the time spent on the bike week to week.
I might be better off following a plan but the bike is my strongest discipline
so I think there are more gains to be hard elsewhere.
I might be better off following a plan but the bike is my strongest discipline
so I think there are more gains to be hard elsewhere.
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