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Hobo said:
Definately.
A mate of mines plays off around 5 and is using a circa 10 year old driver, and has been for at least one fitting in the past year and been told not to bother changing as what he has suits him, and he isn't struggling for distance at all (can hit it 300 yards).
Bizarrely enough, as mentioned above, I played on Sunday and the longest shot I hit off the tee was with my Taylormade 'Rocket' 3 wood which I purchased as an ex-demo for a seriously good price. It was marginal difference between that and driver, but on that day the 3 wood won and I generally hit it once a round, and that its normally off the tee. I generally put it down to the fact that I've been working on elimating a 'casting' issue recently and compressing the ball more, and my irons have massively improved, but my driver has dropped off, which used to be the best club in my bag.
Very similar to a good friend of mine - plays off 6 and still uses a TaylorMade SLDR, which is about 10 years old, has a huge dent in it and is allegedly one of the hardest drivers to hit straight. It still flies when he middles it though. A mate of mines plays off around 5 and is using a circa 10 year old driver, and has been for at least one fitting in the past year and been told not to bother changing as what he has suits him, and he isn't struggling for distance at all (can hit it 300 yards).
Bizarrely enough, as mentioned above, I played on Sunday and the longest shot I hit off the tee was with my Taylormade 'Rocket' 3 wood which I purchased as an ex-demo for a seriously good price. It was marginal difference between that and driver, but on that day the 3 wood won and I generally hit it once a round, and that its normally off the tee. I generally put it down to the fact that I've been working on elimating a 'casting' issue recently and compressing the ball more, and my irons have massively improved, but my driver has dropped off, which used to be the best club in my bag.
For your Driver, I suspect if you are trying to compress your irons more you're probably hitting down on the Driver more than is ideal, which increases spin and can make it harder to control. However, if the 3 wood is working I wouldn't try to change too much until you can get someone to look at the Driver swing itself.
bodhi said:
Very similar to a good friend of mine - plays off 6 and still uses a TaylorMade SLDR, which is about 10 years old, has a huge dent in it and is allegedly one of the hardest drivers to hit straight. It still flies when he middles it though.
For your Driver, I suspect if you are trying to compress your irons more you're probably hitting down on the Driver more than is ideal, which increases spin and can make it harder to control. However, if the 3 wood is working I wouldn't try to change too much until you can get someone to look at the Driver swing itself.
Re driver, yes I suspect that is exactly the case.For your Driver, I suspect if you are trying to compress your irons more you're probably hitting down on the Driver more than is ideal, which increases spin and can make it harder to control. However, if the 3 wood is working I wouldn't try to change too much until you can get someone to look at the Driver swing itself.
I had weekly lessons for a couple of months before Christmas, and have them scheduled until April this year with a youngish guy I found by chance who is on the Challenge Tour and I get on with really well (so have promised to sponsor him this year), and the change in that time was massive, so hoping for good things to come (which will clearly backfire, as is the case with golf seemingley).
I used to have the original SIM. Loved it when striking it well, but my miss with a driver tends to be high on the toe. Which one would normally except to result in a bit of a draw. What I got was a low spinning ball that started right and continued going right until it found the edge of the planet, then kept going.
I’ve had a TSi3 in the bag for about 18 months now and can’t fault it. It’s not supposed to be that forgiving, but it suits my miss and that high toe strike now has a touch of draw and isn’t quite as destructive. Although anything heel side goes nowhere.
I’d be interested to see how the new stuff performs. But I’d need to be getting 15 to 20 yards at least before parting with any cash.
I’ve had a TSi3 in the bag for about 18 months now and can’t fault it. It’s not supposed to be that forgiving, but it suits my miss and that high toe strike now has a touch of draw and isn’t quite as destructive. Although anything heel side goes nowhere.
I’d be interested to see how the new stuff performs. But I’d need to be getting 15 to 20 yards at least before parting with any cash.
ukwill said:
Will be keeping my G425 Max for the foreseeable future. It's a fantastic club and I'm comfortable with it (until I'm not 
).
This moi thing is odd - when the 425 max came out, the 10k figure was touted for it as well. But it wasn't called the "10k" 425.
Marketing isn’t it. Apparently quite a number of clubs in the past have gone above that level as well. ).This moi thing is odd - when the 425 max came out, the 10k figure was touted for it as well. But it wasn't called the "10k" 425.
You guys are doing it all wrong - the only place to get your new product reviews is Rob Chopper. And he can give it a “roost” (hits it miles).
https://youtu.be/NnY94liNZs0?si=Lk7wlJQwJ8M2Yjkj
You even get a full review on a new putter at the end which I think you’ll particularly enjoy.
He’s the Dame Edna Everage of YT golf. Check out all his content, it’s hilarious.
https://youtu.be/NnY94liNZs0?si=Lk7wlJQwJ8M2Yjkj
You even get a full review on a new putter at the end which I think you’ll particularly enjoy.
He’s the Dame Edna Everage of YT golf. Check out all his content, it’s hilarious.
Rosscow said:
So I went back to my old 2015 Ping G30 driver
Myself and my two regular playing partners all play the Ping G30, all were purchased separately in 2015 with slight different specs (shaft, loft) but with no knowledge what the others owned. Driving distances between us are 210y, 220y and 250y. All of us play off between 5-8 handicap at a tough golf course. While it may be a 2015 club none of us have spoken about replacing our drivers.
My point is that I suspect driver technology has not moved on in the last decade. Progress in the last decade is simply down to improved fitting techniques so it you got a good fitting in 2015, it will work today if you are swinging similar.
Here’s a good video from a friend of mine, James Day, talking about this exact thing:
https://youtu.be/DiZZgo2pFKI?si=T_hM9ecEmfImOeqZ
James is an ex pro, seriously good golfer. It’s an interesting video/concept.
Basically says that drivers peaked at the TM R7 SuperQuad.
He currently refurbishes this head with custom shafts etc. and they sell for £800+
https://youtu.be/DiZZgo2pFKI?si=T_hM9ecEmfImOeqZ
James is an ex pro, seriously good golfer. It’s an interesting video/concept.
Basically says that drivers peaked at the TM R7 SuperQuad.
He currently refurbishes this head with custom shafts etc. and they sell for £800+
Blackpuddin said:
There seems to be a £100 a year price increase cycle going on which really doesn't stand up to any sort of objective examination. Every old v new driver comparo I've seen has been an incentive to comb the classifieds for old clubs for under £50. I'd love to be a fly on the locker room wall when the pros get their new kit every year. It's probably just their old stuff in disguise.
Not sure what the new driver prices are, but they have been about 500 quid brand new for a while.The pro’s will normally always put the driver in as they tend to be required to do that as part of their deal. You do find a lot of the pros will stick with an older club for say a 3 wood, or 5 wood etc. I think Stenson had one that was ancient
https://youtu.be/jFoS5StHm6g?si=fm9_fH0ry7EtKXZv
Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
DuncanM said:
https://youtu.be/jFoS5StHm6g?si=fm9_fH0ry7EtKXZv
Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
Just scanned through it, seems like he is claiming 170 yards carry vs ?270 yards carry for clubs and balls from 50 years ago and present day respectively?Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
Again, just goes to show the inaccuracy of using GC Quad at the extremes - appreciate he has bothered to use an appropriate ball from 1973, but -
1) That ball won't perform like it would have done when new, rubber has a shelf life of up to 10 years:
https://www.walker-rubber.co.uk/knowledge-hub/the-...
366#:~:text=Ageing%20of%20rubber%20materials&text=This%20happens%20as%20the%20rubber,the%20degradation%20of%20the%20material.
2) The GC Quad ball flight calculations down range are based on modern aerodynamics, it won't have any clue how the dimple pattern on a 1973 ball flies.
In reality there's no way, NO WAY, average normal pro driving distance was 170 yards in 1973. My estimate would be 50-60 yards shorter than now at the top level, e.g. 240 vs 290 yards. And they were playing on cow pastures for fairways back in the day, very little run.
DuncanM said:
https://youtu.be/jFoS5StHm6g?si=fm9_fH0ry7EtKXZv
Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
I'd agree with that. In theory Drivers were maxed out I terms of ultimate distance when they limited the spring effect or COR in the mid 00s - on hits out the middle anyway. Where the big improvements have been are on off centre hits and reducing spin. Fun vid.
Drivers are much like mobile phones, the technology reached such an impressive level, that replacing them every few years, isn't really worth it anymore.
Having said that, I think getting to a good fitter, and spending some money, is definitely a worthwhile investment for golfers, emphasis on getting what's right for you and your swing.
For instance I picked up about 15 yards moving from my old 917 D3 to my TS4, however that was more because up until the TS range Titleist weren't the longest on the market as they span too much. With the TS range they caught up and I reaped the benefits. However I doubt I'd get the same benefit replacing it with a TSR4, despite how much I'd like to try one
I am thinking about a new 4 iron at some point this season - possibly a T200 Utility Build with a graphite shaft to combine my 3 and 4 irons, then I can put my 60 degree wedge back in the bag.
Other than that though, I'm just going to spend my money on lessons and playing golf.
bodhi said:
I'd agree with that. In theory Drivers were maxed out I terms of ultimate distance when they limited the spring effect or COR in the mid 00s - on hits out the middle anyway. Where the big improvements have been are on off centre hits and reducing spin.
For instance I picked up about 15 yards moving from my old 917 D3 to my TS4, however that was more because up until the TS range Titleist weren't the longest on the market as they span too much. With the TS range they caught up and I reaped the benefits. However I doubt I'd get the same benefit replacing it with a TSR4, despite how much I'd like to try one
I am thinking about a new 4 iron at some point this season - possibly a T200 Utility Build with a graphite shaft to combine my 3 and 4 irons, then I can put my 60 degree wedge back in the bag.
Other than that though, I'm just going to spend my money on lessons and playing golf.
Sounds good, your lessons are definitely going the right way by the sound of things For instance I picked up about 15 yards moving from my old 917 D3 to my TS4, however that was more because up until the TS range Titleist weren't the longest on the market as they span too much. With the TS range they caught up and I reaped the benefits. However I doubt I'd get the same benefit replacing it with a TSR4, despite how much I'd like to try one
I am thinking about a new 4 iron at some point this season - possibly a T200 Utility Build with a graphite shaft to combine my 3 and 4 irons, then I can put my 60 degree wedge back in the bag.
Other than that though, I'm just going to spend my money on lessons and playing golf.
I love golf equipment, but I'm likely to never play more than 20 rounds a year, just can't justify new purchases!
That said, I bought Cleveland wedges a few years back, and although decent enough, I really miss the feel of forged. Will treat myself in May
Hammersia said:
In reality none of those YT guys mentioned above are getting anything like 305 yards carry. These are all GC Quad generated calculated numbers which are well known to flatter very low spin numbers. In UK conditions a 1900-2100 spin drive is crooked and falling out of the sky, it's ludicrous to even bother with GC Quad at that point but that's ego for you.
If anyone sets up Trackman behind them on the course and quotes carry numbers from that you can absolutely trust that.
My lessons are done on trackman to an open range and most of my indoor practice is done on GC, other than clubhead speed (which is calculated differently) the numbers are pretty identical, which also match up to what I see on course.If anyone sets up Trackman behind them on the course and quotes carry numbers from that you can absolutely trust that.
Can't say I've ever seen GC giving flattering results?
danneth said:
Hammersia said:
In reality none of those YT guys mentioned above are getting anything like 305 yards carry. These are all GC Quad generated calculated numbers which are well known to flatter very low spin numbers. In UK conditions a 1900-2100 spin drive is crooked and falling out of the sky, it's ludicrous to even bother with GC Quad at that point but that's ego for you.
If anyone sets up Trackman behind them on the course and quotes carry numbers from that you can absolutely trust that.
My lessons are done on trackman to an open range and most of my indoor practice is done on GC, other than clubhead speed (which is calculated differently) the numbers are pretty identical, which also match up to what I see on course.If anyone sets up Trackman behind them on the course and quotes carry numbers from that you can absolutely trust that.
Can't say I've ever seen GC giving flattering results?
https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/foresight-spo...
Edited by Hammersia on Thursday 11th January 15:58
Hammersia said:
GC Quad is the gold standard for Launch conditions specifically. But it is well known to claim optimistic carries for very low spin conditions (appreciate slightly different numbers depending on which software is used), e.g.:
https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/foresight-spo...
Interesting, never read much about that before.https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/foresight-spo...
Edited by Hammersia on Thursday 11th January 15:58
As a numbers geek, I think it's pretty easy to spot anything that's wildly inflated. I've got skytrak and often see people on the group claming 300 yard carry with 150mph ball speed, but will deny that they have changed any of the weather and altitude settings
The only people I really trust with the numbers and information on YT is Ian/Mike at club champion.
After 3 years at Chesterfield golf club it's time for a change. Loved it there, proper club and course but the 60 mile round trip just got a bit much at times.
I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
danneth said:
After 3 years at Chesterfield golf club it's time for a change. Loved it there, proper club and course but the 60 mile round trip just got a bit much at times.
I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
Lovely place..played it last year and really enjoyed it.I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
The 1st is a complete b
d though danneth said:
After 3 years at Chesterfield golf club it's time for a change. Loved it there, proper club and course but the 60 mile round trip just got a bit much at times.
I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
Played an open comp at Hillsborough in summer and thought it was a decent course. Weather wasn’t great when we played and we all said we’d like to go back when it was warm (and ground firm), but haven’t had chance yet.I didn't think choosing a new club would be so difficult, but after seeing the condition of this place the other day and couple that with it being a 9min drive for me, it's a no brainier.
It's not the longest course, but it's quite tight and technical - https://www.hillsboroughgolfclub.co.uk/
Practice areas were in poor condition, but at least they have driving range and a small chipping area.
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